Liam Picken vs Levi Greenwood

[DarwinRoo]

I do know who greenwood is that doesnt mean i rate him as a player.Most port people wanted us to draft him in 07 but we selected marlon motlop who hasnt turned out that great.
Just because Port were interested in greenwood doesnt make him a better player than picken.

If he was wearing a different jumper would you rate him? It seems as though you don't rate North Melbourne players at all. I could start a Boomer Harvey vs Raph Clarke thread and you would pick Raph Clarke.

 

[SweetLeftFoot]

Picken made a name for himself by giving Boomer a bath in in one game (we don't hear much about the three goal 30+ disposal effort Boomer turned in on him though ...).

Picken is an excellent run with player but limited. Levi has also demonstrated the ability to be a very good run with player, towelling up Dal Santo and Judd to name two.

For mine Levi has more breadth to his game - his Round 22 against Melbourne demonstrated that, racking possesions, setting up goals, winning his own ball.

In many respects, its a case where their drafting does reflect the truth. Levi was a 2nd round pick and Picken a rookie listed player.

Picken has worked hard and full credit to him: he's now one of the first picked for the Dogs I imagine and he looks like he'll go on to have a long career and probably play 200 plus games and a few losing prelims.

Levi is becoming an integral part of a young and very talented North midfield unit and will play 200 plus and win a flag or two.

 

[Gus]

I imagine and he looks like he'll go on to have a long career and probably play 200 plus games and a few losing prelims.

Levi is becoming an integral part of a young and very talented North midfield unit and will play 200 plus and win a flag or two.

Get your hand off it. The prelims comment has no relevance to the discussion.

What will happen when Levi goes to GWS, as your young fellow Northite was using as a measuring stick to compare?

 

[SweetLeftFoot]

Get your hand off it. The prelims comment has no relevance to the discussion.

What will happen when Levi goes to GWS, as your young fellow Northite was using as a measuring stick to compare?

Yes it does. Your clubs history suggests that's what is in store.

I doubt Levi will go to GWS. If he did, we'd be compensated.

I'm not slagging Picken, he's a very good player. Just not as good as Levi.

 

[Gus]

No, you are not slagging Picken. You are slagging the dogs. Just trying to be smart about it. It's not the bay. You didn't need to make any mention about the team or prelims.

I bet every Richmond team for the past 30 years thought they were building towards a premiership too, I wouldn't be so sure that North will even play finals. There, that is my response to your irrelevant comment.

 

[SweetLeftFoot]

So you concede Levi is better than Picken? Cool.

 

[Gus]

Where did I concede that Levi was better?

My vote went to Picken, he's tougher and more dangerous around goals when he does get the ball forward.

As was mentioned earlier, no opposition players are crying on twitter about Greenwood like Swallow was.

I just hope Atley has a bit more ticker than Sam McFarlane. To come back from that little broken nose that Swallow was going on about.

 

[smashh]

Are both tough as shit and good run with players, went with Picken due to being more dangerous up forward and has much cleaner skills imo.

 

[staphy]

If he was wearing a different jumper would you rate him? It seems as though you don't rate North Melbourne players at all. I could start a Boomer Harvey vs Raph Clarke thread and you would pick Raph Clarke.

It's not that people don't rate your players , it's just that the North posters on this form give people the shit's, that why they will always vote against you.

 

[The OBSTacle]

It's not that people don't rate your players , it's just that the North posters on this form give people the shit's, that why they will always vote against you.

You're conceding that the average BF member plays the man and not the ball?

Good, as I think most of these polls are completely futile and are irrelevant to the facts. This poll is a classic example.

 

[Gus]

However the argument which the poll was born from was on the North board- which means for every flog who the ziebull has pissed off along the way, there is another North supporter who read the thread and came here because of it.

Again, as I suspected, the poll is even. Picken really should be one ahead seeing as one alias has already been found out.

 

[chef]

Picken made a name for himself by giving Boomer a bath in in one game (we don't hear much about the three goal 30+ disposal effort Boomer turned in on him though ...).

Picken is an excellent run with player but limited. Levi has also demonstrated the ability to be a very good run with player, towelling up Dal Santo and Judd to name two.

For mine Levi has more breadth to his game - his Round 22 against Melbourne demonstrated that, racking possesions, setting up goals, winning his own ball.

In many respects, its a case where their drafting does reflect the truth. Levi was a 2nd round pick and Picken a rookie listed player.

Picken has worked hard and full credit to him: he's now one of the first picked for the Dogs I imagine and he looks like he'll go on to have a long career and probably play 200 plus games and a few losing prelims.

Levi is becoming an integral part of a young and very talented North midfield unit and will play 200 plus and win a flag or two.

He will have every chance at GWS.

 

[The Zebra]

Picken is what he is. Committed, courageous, follows instructions. Any coach would love him, and that is why they say he is one of the first picked (when in reality he is probably going to be one of the first out if Wallis/Libba or some other more talented mid takes a quick leap).

But for now, he plays a role and does it well. But Levi is three years younger and has already gone past him. Just look at the stats.

 

[Go_Dogs]

Picken severly underrated by opposition supporters, and some Dogs supporters too. His ball use is generally very good and can play offensively when the opportunity arises. I'm a big fan of Greenwood and would say that he has the potential to develop into a better player than Picken in the longer term. Picken is very valuable to the Dogs side, and at the moment I'd prefer him over Levi (for season 2011). If Greenwood has a break out season he could quickly jump ahead.

 

[Gus]

Picken is what he is. Committed, courageous, follows instructions. Any coach would love him, and that is why they say he is one of the first picked (when in reality he is probably going to be one of the first out if Wallis/Libba or some other more talented mid takes a quick leap).

This is completely wrong. Picken is one of the first picked because he performs a specific role in the team. Every midfield needs a genuine shut down player and Picken is ours.

But his offensive game is very underrated. Can kick goals, and kick them well.

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[The Zebra]

This is completely wrong. Picken is first picked because he performs a specific role in the team. Every midfield needs a genuine shut down player and Picken is ours.

First picks implies he is one of the most important players in your team. Top 10%. That means only two players are more important in the Dogs best 22. Which means, that both you and Eade would rather one of Cooney, Boyd or Lake out of the team before Picken.

Is that what you are saying?

 

[Gus]

Meant he is one of the first picked. And yes because he is one of the most important players in the team.

Is it that hard to understand?


He is not like a say, Sam Wright or Leigh Adams for North. They can be dropped because they are dispensable midfielders. Picken is one of the most important players to our side. As a defensive midfielder. The bonus with him is that he is good going the other way.

 

[The Zebra]

Meant he is one of the first picked. And yes because he is one of the most important players in the team.

Is it that hard to understand?

Rank him in importance. What number?

 

[Gus]

Rank him in importance. What number?

Well Lake would always be first picked, then Cooney, Boyd and Griffen.

I'd pick Picken next after them.

Other players can be switched around, but outside of those first four elite players, Picken's influence in doing a job on the oppositions best midfielder has him selected.

 

[SweetLeftFoot]

I just hope Atley has a bit more ticker than Sam McFarlane. To come back from that little broken nose that Swallow was going on about.

Swallow was making the point that petrie and Oicken were involved in identical incidents yet only one was rubbed out.

Atley played the next week so there's no question marks over his ticker.

On Sam McFarlane, if a North player ever did to one of your lot what Hall did to Sam, I think every Dogs supporters could self combust in a fit of shrieking whinging. It was dog king hit by a bloke twice Sam's size behind the play. If Hall had done it in a nightclub, he'd have got months jail.

The reality of the ON TOPIC thread is that Picken is a battler who has made the most of his limited gifts and good luck to him. He's a very good tagger.

But Levi has shown he can be a gun tagger too: in 2009 he took down the likes of Dal Santo and Judd playing a purely run with role. Since then he's grown into a far more complete midfielder. He's also had a series of annoying medium termish injuries too.

I think this thread will be settled once and for all in the next couple of seasons: at some point, Levi will be tearing it up against you and Picken will be sent to try and negate him and reduce his influence.

 

[SweetLeftFoot]

Meant he is one of the first picked. And yes because he is one of the most important players in the team.

Is it that hard to understand?


He is not like a say, Sam Wright or Leigh Adams for North. They can be dropped because they are dispensable midfielders. Picken is one of the most important players to our side. As a defensive midfielder. The bonus with him is that he is good going the other way.

You're really showing your ignorance here. Adams is a very very good player who finished top five in our B+F last year, captained Vic Metro as a juniour and actually plays more as a half forward than mid. Was very useful against you on the weekend, kicking a lovel goal.

Sammy Wright also plays more as a forward, was playing there when he got his Rising Star nom late last year.

With Picken, much of the neutral (majority voters here) observer instantly associates him with his excellent shut down on Boomer that time. He gave Boomer a bath and that doesn't happen very often. So fair play to a rookie listed kid who smashed a genuine great of the game, 300 game captain who has captained his country, won as many flags as your whole footy club in its history, won an EJ Whitten medal.

That game was back page lead stuff, led to pieces asking if Boomer was past it (er, no) and all that. But was it equally big news when Boomer fronted up on him and slotted three goals and gathered 30+ possesions, surely handing Picken as much of a defeat as he'd copped off him? No, it wasn't.

Picken is a very good player and very very good at what he does. But Levi has already demonstrated he has a far broader game and he also far more room for improvement.

 

[Gus]

Well looking at the reality of the thread as it is, the players are about even in the eyes of the neutral public of bigfooty. Contrary to what the OP was trying to say. And definitely contrary to the "Picken vs Greenwood comparisons make baby jesus cry" comments in the thread on the North board.

I can name a good four or five players that Picken would tag before Greenwood, who seems to be just a battler himself. Not so polished or classy. Certainly can't see him tearing it up against anyone. Honest at best he seems.

Picken missed 5 games early in 2009 with an ankle injury, so he has also had his issues there.

You all seem to constantly repeat that greenwood changed roles to a more accumulator type. That can't be used really because Picken won't ever need to do that given our midfield strength. Yet as a purely defensive player he is still more dangerous around goals.

 

[Gus]

With Picken, much of the neutral (majority voters here) observer instantly associates him with his excellent shut down on Boomer that time. He gave Boomer a bath and that doesn't happen very often. So fair play to a rookie listed kid who smashed a genuine great of the game, 300 game captain who has captained his country, won as many flags as your whole footy club in its history, won an EJ Whitten medal.

That game was back page lead stuff, led to pieces asking if Boomer was past it (er, no) and all that. But was it equally big news when Boomer fronted up on him and slotted three goals and gathered 30+ possesions, surely handing Picken as much of a defeat as he'd copped off him? No, it wasn't.

Picken is a very good player and very very good at what he does. But Levi has already demonstrated he has a far broader game and he also far more room for improvement.

Once again you resort to a cheap dig at the Bulldogs. You really are petty.

Maybe people rate Picken because of what they see week in week out vs their own teams. Not everything revolves around North, one performance does not equal the be all and end all.

You think Greenwood is better, but it's common knowledge on bigfooty that North posters overrate their own players. This is a clear example. On the North board, Picken was wasn't even in the ballpark compared to Greenwood. Here with a neutral vote, he is just ahead.

But because you think Greenwood is better, that means he is. Now who is being ignorant?

 

[SweetLeftFoot]

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I can name a good four or five players that Picken would tag before Greenwood, who seems to be just a battler himself. Not so polished or classy. Certainly can't see him tearing it up against anyone. Honest at best he seems.

Get yourself a copy of Round 22 2010, North vs Melbourne and you'll be able to see it. 39 disposals, a goal and clear BOG.

 

[SweetLeftFoot]

Once again you resort to a cheap dig at the Bulldogs. You really are petty.

Maybe people rate Picken because of what they see week in week out vs their own teams. Not everything revolves around North, one performance does not equal the be all and end all.

You think Greenwood is better, but it's common knowledge on bigfooty that North posters overrate their own players. This is a clear example. On the North board, Picken was wasn't even in the ballpark compared to Greenwood. Here with a neutral vote, he is just ahead.

But because you think Greenwood is better, that means he is. Now who is being ignorant?

And its common knowledge that the average footy punter and most media have been criminally underrating North for the last quarter century. And criminally overrating the Dogs as a team and as individuals.

Am I saying Greenwood is better than Boyd or Cooney? No, of course not. He's not.

But he's better than Picken.