Recruiting List Development 2017 - How do we develop our list?

[Yoda_]

Depends on the finals situation for mine.

Injuries aside I would prefer stability rather than giving kids a run.

For the record, that has to be the worst write up I have read.

It's like a child wrote it.

Pretty sure its a gargled re write up of an afl.com.au written weeks ago

 

[eth-dog]

Reading that and having seen them live 4 times this year, confident we will secure 4+ AFL standard players which, history suggests will go a long way to giving us a lwg up pushing for #17

Which 4? McGrath and Begley are two that are definitely there for me.

 

[Yoda_]

Which 4? McGrath and Begley are two that are definitely there for me.

I really like what Draper brings.

Not suggesting he becomes a top 5 in the league ruck but a Will Minson sort of competitor who will have some very good years in him.

The reports on Ridley excite me. When you have quality, you find a place in the team for them. Something his versatility will allow us to use in due course

Fwiw, you know my feelings on McNeice. Could be a handy role player for us

 

[Killer_Mike]

Reading that and having seen them live 4 times this year, confident we will secure 4+ AFL standard players which, history suggests will go a long way to giving us a lwg up pushing for #17

Totally agree.

I'm very happy with where the list is. Just need to continue to add depth!


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[Yoda_]

Totally agree.

I'm very happy with where the list is. Just need to continue to add depth!

Our biggest dilemma is the transition from Watson, Goddard even Myers to Clarke, Langford etc.

The older guys are nearing the end sooner than the youngens are ready to stand up and be counted

 

[Killer_Mike]

Our biggest dilemma is the transition from Watson, Goddard even Myers to Clarke, Langford etc.

The older guys are nearing the end sooner than the youngens are ready to stand up and be counted

Yeah, I think that may cause a few issues but I think there is enough mature guys and top end talent that we should still be able to manage it.

At the start of the year I thought making the eight next year would be good result and top four after that.

I personally believe that's achievable still.

Some think adding a Dusty or Fyfe will help with the transition of the older players but I'm pretty sure they aren't coming to essendon so we need to continue to build from within.


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[Yoda_]

Yeah, I think that may cause a few issues but I think there is enough mature guys and top end talent that we should still be able to manage it.

At the start of the year I thought making the eight next year would be good result and top four after that.

I personally believe that's achievable still.

Some think adding a Dusty or Fyfe will help with the transition of the older players but I'm pretty sure they aren't coming to essendon so we need to continue to build from within.


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Focusing on the list right now. We need major turning points from Langford, Myers & Bird in particular.

Otherwise, wouldnt be opposed to going and getting a role player frkm somewhere else. Guys like Josh Thomas or Sam Kerridge who wont cost the world but do a job would be a nice fot. Bird not getting a look in must be frusterating the hell out of him.

 

[Killer_Mike]

Focusing on the list right now. We need major turning points from Langford, Myers & Bird in particular.

Yeah, I'm a little surprised with Bird. His form has warranted a run in the seniors. Woosha has a pretty rigid framework for his team though. He doesn't like to many slower players or too many talls.

In that regard I agree with him. Have to play to our strengths.

 

[Lore]

Wait, is this a trade thread now?

 

[eth-dog]

I really like what Draper brings.

Not suggesting he becomes a top 5 in the league ruck but a Will Minson sort of competitor who will have some very good years in him.

The reports on Ridley excite me. When you have quality, you find a place in the team for them. Something his versatility will allow us to use in due course

Fwiw, you know my feelings on McNeice. Could be a handy role player for us

I was hoping you'd say Curtains. Really like his athleticism and marking. Plus he's a creative tap ruckman, which makes it so much more effective than, say, Jacobs, who is good at winning the tap but very predictable.

 

[TheGrizz]

Yeah, Redman definitely doesn't shirk a contest.

He runs in straight lines when he needs to and has a bit of agro. I still see him as a winger though but time will tell.

Clarke is another that likes to get in the face of the opposition.

Reminds me of Justin Blumfield i reckon Redman in terms of playing style. (although Mason might have a bit more aggression)

 

[foj1]

after watching luey today i think sam hayes has to be in consideration for the draft

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

after watching luey today i think sam hayes has to be in consideration for the draft

Get the feel Luey's days are numbered if Bellchambers keeps him out.

 

[MightyDons4]

after watching luey today i think sam hayes has to be in consideration for the draft

He's the oldest ruckman on our list and playing VFL, so clearly not in our present or future plans. I wouldn't say the ordinary form of a depth ruck should make us use a 1st round pick to replace him. That pick should be reserved for mids only.

 

[TDay]

... but after that performance against Brisbane, we should absolutely NOT be shelling out big bucks for a Martin, Kelly or Parker type.
The list is not ready. Mentally. It could easily turn into a Judd at Carlton scenario - a star with not enough support and the kids having the unhealthy option of not taking responsibility themselves. And big bucks for someone like Martin can easily bite us when he has his next chopsticks incident and pisses on some old ladies garden gnome.

Save the cap space - we should strike when we're ready. Go to the draft. Get some future talent that can grow along with the current list, (which is a good developing list).

Maybe throw around a late pick at someone who can play the role (like Miles from Richmond) to act as a stop-gap for when Watson retires and the VFL mid-kids aren't quite ready yet. Pick 70 odd for Miles, who must be getting tired of VFL, could solve some temporary issues at low cost.

Then in 2019 with another year of development (and if we are lucky a top 8 finish), then we can go poaching and top off the list for a serious premiership tilt. Using that cap space now for a marquee poaching is simply too risky.

You put the cherry on top when the rest of the cake is ready. Against Brisbane we showed that we have the good ingredients but need some more time in the mental-fortitude oven before putting cherries on anything.

 

[IggypopsTshirt]

If we're honest with ourselves and the state of the list, we fall short in every single aspect of the game.

 

[Rack Watts]

We don't, we need to win clearances.

 

[MightyDons4]

Show Hopper the money and hope he chooses us, pick Webb up on the cheap then hit the draft and hope.

 

[vast]

... but after that performance against Brisbane, we should absolutely NOT be shelling out big bucks for a Martin, Kelly or Parker type.
The list is not ready. Mentally. It could easily turn into a Judd at Carlton scenario - a star with not enough support and the kids having the unhealthy option of not taking responsibility themselves. And big bucks for someone like Martin can easily bite us when he has his next chopsticks incident and pisses on some old ladies garden gnome.

Save the cap space - we should strike when we're ready. Go to the draft. Get some future talent that can grow along with the current list, (which is a good developing list).

Maybe throw around a late pick at someone who can play the role (like Miles from Richmond) to act as a stop-gap for when Watson retires and the VFL mid-kids aren't quite ready yet. Pick 70 odd for Miles, who must be getting tired of VFL, could solve some temporary issues at low cost.

Then in 2019 with another year of development (and if we are lucky a top 8 finish), then we can go poaching and top off the list for a serious premiership tilt. Using that cap space now for a marquee poaching is simply too risky.

You put the cherry on top when the rest of the cake is ready. Against Brisbane we showed that we have the good ingredients but need some more time in the mental-fortitude oven before putting cherries on anything.

Problem is we seem to be all cherry no base. Which is why we need that inside bull who will fight when the game is on the line.

 

[Yoda_]

Show Hopper the money and hope he chooses us, pick Webb up on the cheap then hit the draft and hope.

Im not as sold on Hopper as many on here are.

From what the thread on him (via the D&T board thread) suggests, agility and pace are two things he lacks.

Do we need another slow, one paced inside midfielder?

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

Dustin Martin.

 

[DapperDon]

Im not as sold on Hopper as many on here are.

From what the thread on him (via the D&T board thread) suggests, agility and pace are two things he lacks.

Do we need another slow, one paced inside midfielder?

Our slow paced inside mids will be retiring at seasons end, I want a mid who gets clearances not fussed at pace.

Not say this mid is Hopper or it isn't, but pace is a non factor either which way.

 

[TDay]

Today we played like a pile of cherries. But salary-wise we don't have any ridiculous cherry contracts (like we would if we took Martin or Kelly)

I reckon we should keep that cap space until we have the base list ready, especially since we are already competitive (normally). I think the future is there, in the VFL, just not ready yet. Another top line mid-kid from the draft with a year of experience, some bull promise from a Mutch or Clarke and I think we will have a solid enough list to start rounding it out with a free agents, if we even need to. No poaching yet. We can poach a gun for 2019 and they will still be a gun.

Let North blow their future on a one player bet if they want - we are in too good a position to be throwing hail marys like that. The 'short term pain' of not poaching a big expensive gun player isn't even that painful (bar today) after what we have been through the last few years, because we are occasionally a decent side already. The list we have is capable of making the eight next year as it is. Let them learn how to earn a win. When the list we have is in touch with the top 4, then we poach.

In the meantime I vote for someone like Anthony Miles as a stop-gap and hoping one of the kids can come on as an inside mid.

 

[Yoda_]

Our slow paced inside mids will be retiring at seasons end, I want a mid who gets clearances not fussed at pace.

Not say this mid is Hopper or it isn't, but pace is a non factor either which way.

Langford is apparently an inside mid, no evidence of football pace, Heppel is an inside mid, he is pedestrian, Myers has shown signs but not nearly enough consistently. Any other best 22 mids I leave out? Goddard (in 2018) will not play nearly as much inside midfield time, Zac will be more 50:50 than inside.

 

[DapperDon]

Langford is apparently an inside mid, no evidence of football pace, Heppel is an inside mid, he is pedestrian, Myers has shown signs but not nearly enough consistently. Any other best 22 mids I leave out? Goddard (in 2018) will not play nearly as much inside midfield time, Zac will be more 50:50 than inside.

I'm talking about Watson and co.

Heppell is the only one we can count as a legitimate inside mid, the rest are hopeful (even though Langford isn't that slow)

It's by far our biggest weakness, and not a position that needs to have a pacy midfielder.