List Mgmt. List management thread.

[PepperFace]

Reid will play forward as Bucks wants three tall forwards our list is not at the stage we can afford to trade Brown. Think back to 2010 people were thinking why are we trading in Taz Brown and Reid look so good down their next thing you know Brown has done his ACL

I think Bucks wants to play Reid up forward too - But I dont think hes a bad option if we need to swing someone down back!

 

[Seedsfan]

So, in hindsight, in the type of example you put to me...

What if Frost and Keeffe don't lose form and remain sound? Brown plays alllllllllll year in the magoos and loses a truckload of value?

Brown will not play all year in the 2's he will come back in to the side in coming weeks. Not trying to knock Keeffe or Frost but playing Essendon is as easy as it will get for a key defender

 

[DaVe86]

We also need to throw Witts into this argument.

Putting Reid forward means that White becomes the 2nd ruck. We can't play Cloke, White and Reid...as well as Grundy and Witts.

Therefore, if we want to persist with 2 genuine rucks, then Reid has to go into Defence or Jessie White gets dropped. Then there is the Q Stick and the talk of Darcy Moore as well.


Really interesting list dynamics here. At this stage I'm only brain-storming. I'm not seriously entertaining trading Brown or guys like Kennedy.

I'm just taking a look at where we seem to have a surplus and where we seem to have a hole.

No doubt there are too many smalls on the list in my mind. I think this problem is masked now because we have Swan and Ball. Once these two go, the replacements are going to be small mids and I think we'll lose real grunt. Adams will cover for Ball, but there is a fair height difference. Josh Thomas covers for Swan but again there is a height difference by about 8-10cm.

 

[DaVe86]

Brown will not play all year in the 2's he will come back in to the side in coming weeks. Not trying to knock Keeffe or Frost but playing Essendon is as easy as it will get for a key defender

Once Maxwell goes then I think we will play all of Brown, Keefe and Frost. I can see Keefe playing a bit of a sweeping role and covering resting ruck, whilst Brown takes the Monster and Frost the more agile lead up.

The good thing about these 3 guys is that they all suit different types of forwards.

I still like the idea of Reid playing these sweeping 3rd man role though because his foot skills are so good.

 

[Seedsfan]

We also need to throw Witts into this argument.

Putting Reid forward means that White becomes the 2nd ruck. We can't play Cloke, White and Reid...as well as Grundy and Witts.

Therefore, if we want to persist with 2 genuine rucks, then Reid has to go into Defence or Jessie White gets dropped. Then there is the Q Stick and the talk of Darcy Moore as well.


Really interesting list dynamics here. At this stage I'm only brain-storming. I'm not seriously entertaining trading Brown or guys like Kennedy.

I'm just taking a look at where we seem to have a surplus and where we seem to have a hole.

No doubt there are too many smalls on the list in my mind. I think this problem is masked now because we have Swan and Ball. Once these two go, the replacements are going to be small mids and I think we'll lose real grunt. Adams will cover for Ball, but there is a fair height difference. Josh Thomas covers for Swan but again there is a height difference by about 8-10cm.

Lych has just broken his leg and we could work Witts, Grundy, White, Reid and Cloke in to the same side

 

[Seedsfan]

Once Maxwell goes then I think we will play all of Brown, Keefe and Frost. I can see Keefe playing a bit of a sweeping role and covering resting ruck, whilst Brown takes the Monster and Frost the more agile lead up.

The good thing about these 3 guys is that they all suit different types of forwards.

I still like the idea of Reid playing these sweeping 3rd man role though because his foot skills are so good.

Scharenberg will be the outlet out of the backline next year anyway. But that is what I envisage looking like next year with all three of them in there

 

[Tommy Magpie]

Once Maxwell goes then I think we will play all of Brown, Keefe and Frost. I can see Keefe playing a bit of a sweeping role and covering resting ruck, whilst Brown takes the Monster and Frost the more agile lead up.

The good thing about these 3 guys is that they all suit different types of forwards.

I still like the idea of Reid playing these sweeping 3rd man role though because his foot skills are so good.

Cant see it happening, far too tall

 

[Jonno94]

For obvious reasons Brown, Frost and Keeffe will never be in the same back 6 together, one of the best ridiculous things I've ever heard on this board and it's been mentioned several times! Scharenberg with Oxley an outside chance are the replacements for Maxwell.

 

[DaVe86]

Cant see it happening, far too tall

In essence it is the same set up we have now with Maxwell as 3rd tall. Not like Maxwell is an offensive weapon, he plays as the 3rd tall defender. He can't play on small and he is not a great kick, so we don't change much in structure. We just lose his match awareness and football smarts.

Frost is more agile than Maxwell and I reckon would be a better man on man defender on smaller quicker types than Maxwell.

 

[MeisterBot]

Either one is good honestly, I just love the idea of having 3 KPDs in the one team where one is dedicated to rebound and being third man up playing on third talls or smaller, but can actually switch with each other if a match up is going poorly.

 

[DaVe86]

For obvious reasons Brown, Frost and Keeffe will never be in the same back 6 together, one of the best ridiculous things I've ever heard on this board and it's been mentioned several times! Scharenberg with Oxley an outside chance are the replacements for Maxwell.

I too hope this is the case and think it is a better look than playing the 3 guys mentioned. However, until we see them it's hard to judge.

I think it would definitely work if Reid were the 3rd tall because he is quite good at reading the play like Maxwell, but has better outside skills and is a genuine swing option up forward.

 

[Tommy Magpie]

In essence it is the same set up we have now with Maxwell as 3rd tall. Not like Maxwell is an offensive weapon, he plays as the 3rd tall defender. He can't play on small and he is not a great kick, so we don't change much in structure. We just lose his match awareness and football smarts.

Frost is more agile than Maxwell and I reckon would be a better man on man defender on smaller quicker types than Maxwell.

I'll offer up odds our defensive set-up doesn't include all three of; Frost, Keeffe & Brown.

 

[DaVe86]

Lych has just broken his leg and we could work Witts, Grundy, White, Reid and Cloke in to the same side

Only way I could see this happening is if Reid is the 3rd tall defender.

 

[DaVe86]

I'll offer up odds our defensive set-up doesn't include all three of; Frost, Keeffe & Brown.

Horses for courses. Many last year were saying that there is no way we would beat Hawthorn with only 2 talls and Maxwell. They were saying the only way we could match them is if Reid goes back as the 3rd tall defender.

We would need to stop Hale/McEvoy, Roughead and Gunston. It's probably less of a problem without Franklin...but ultimately Gunston is the in form forward in the comp and Frost would need to take the match-up. Then you need quality defenders on Roughead and Hale.

Same goes for Kangaroos when they have Tarrant, Petrie and Black all firing.

How about Sydney with Reid, Franklin and Tippett?? I wouldn't be sending Maxy to any of those 3!

Or GWS in years to come with Boyd, Patton and Cameron...or GC.

All teams are looking for the 3 gun forwards now, so we need 3 gun defenders.

Even Carlton this week have Henderson, Waite and Casboult and I'm not overly confident in sending Maxy to one of those guys. That leaves Langdon to do a job on Casboult who is a ruckmans height.

 

[Seedsfan]

Only way I could see this happening is if Reid is the 3rd tall defender.

Witts or Grundy would get subbed in the third to give us more run and the rest could play forward

 

[Jonno94]

In essence it is the same set up we have now with Maxwell as 3rd tall. Not like Maxwell is an offensive weapon, he plays as the 3rd tall defender. He can't play on small and he is not a great kick, so we don't change much in structure. We just lose his match awareness and football smarts.

Frost is more agile than Maxwell and I reckon would be a better man on man defender on smaller quicker types than Maxwell.

We struggled to get the ball out of the defence against Essendon because Frost and Keeffe don't offer any sort of consistent rebound or intercept play and you seriously think we could fit Brown down there too? Not even too mention their foot skills. Dave pls.

 

[DaVe86]

We struggled to get the ball out of the defence against Essendon because Frost and Keeffe don't offer any sort of consistent rebound or intercept play and you seriously think we could fit Brown down there too? Not even too mention their foot skills. Dave pls.

So you're saying that Maxwell offers more offensively than Frost?

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Frost is keeping Brown out right now. Of that theres no question. I guess its possible down the track to put Frost on a flank and move Langdon or even Maxwell aside, but currently I'd leave Frost and Keeffe in the 22 and Brown in the VFL.

The other possibility down the track is to drop a ruckman and move Keeffe into second ruck. All possible permutations but you need a good reason to muck around with a winning formula.

 

[Yoda_]

Who are the current out of contract guys on your list? trying to update a list on the D&T board i put together but couldnt find too much on here

 

[Jonno94]

So you're saying that Maxwell offers more offensively than Frost?

Without a doubt, Frost hasn't even played the role in his life and arguably has the worst foot skills on our list.

This argument is just pointless because Scharenberg is already being groomed for the role as we speak.

 

[DaVe86]

Frost is keeping Brown out right now. Of that theres no question. I guess its possible down the track to put Frost on a flank and move Langdon or even Maxwell aside, but currently I'd leave Frost and Keeffe in the 22 and Brown in the VFL.

The other possibility down the track is to drop a ruckman and move Keeffe into second ruck. All possible permutations but you need a good reason to muck around with a winning formula.

This conversation started when I posed the question that we have 13 guys under 182cm on the list and I can only fit between 6-8 in the 22...and that we have an AA FB playing VFL football and I can't get him into the side at present. Therefore, do we trade because we have value still on a lot of these players...or do we leave them at VFL level as backups or to keep pressure on the others to perform.

I don't think short term there would be any reason to play all 3 talls with Maxwell in the side except possibly against tall forward lines like Sydney or Hawthorn...and even then I'd prefer Reid as the floating 3rd tall.

But long term, without Maxwell, I think there is room for one...or otherwise we rely on Scharenberg, Oxley or Langdon to play taller.

 

[dubber]

Who are the current out of contract guys on your list? trying to update a list on the D&T board i put together but couldnt find too much on here

Have a look here mate

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/players-contract-status-2014.1031646/

 

[DaVe86]

Without a doubt, Frost hasn't even played the role in his life and arguably has the worst foot skills on our list.

This argument is just pointless because Scharenberg is already being groomed for the role as we speak.

I see Scharenberg as the Shaw replacement. Plays on a man but runs off hard. Scharenberg also has midfield potential. Can't see Scharenberg playing on Sam Reid or David Hale...which is ultimately what he would have to do if he is Maxwell's replacement.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

I see Scharenberg as the Shaw replacement. Plays on a man but runs off hard. Scharenberg also has midfield potential. Can't see Scharenberg playing on Sam Reid or David Hale...which is ultimately what he would have to do if he is Maxwell's replacement.

I doubt Sharenburg will be pigeon-holed too early in his career. He may start his career in defence but he may end up in the midfield if the reports about his talent are correct.

 

[mike123]

I'm a bit concerned about our height dynamic on the list. I know we tried to resolve it with Scharenberg and Karnezis...but we clearly have too many sub 182cm players. I don't think we can have more than half of these guys in our top 22.

Therefore, which ones go or could be traded??

Adams
Kennedy
Blair
Sinclair
Elliott
Sidebottom
Marley Williams
Josh Thomas
Fasolo
Dwyer
Marty Clarke
Kyle Martin
Yagmoor

The tallest guy of this lot is 181cm.

That is 13 players (nearly one third) under 182cm.

Then we have Freeman and Ramsy at 183cm and Broomhead 184cm.

I would say the first 10 are all worthy of a game...but I don't think we could carry any more than 6-8.

You can't have a forward line of Kennedy, Blair and Elliott.

You can't have a midfield containing all of Sidebottom, Thomas, Freeman and Dwyer.

Then you can't have a backline with Sinclair, Fasolo and Williams.

You need depth...my problem is that there is too much quality here. We could get something for these guys and you don't want them rotting at VFL level. Then they just have no value at all.

What are your thoughts?

I jus't can't see us carrying 1/3 of our list at this height.

Hawthorn also have 13 players sub 182cm.

Jed Anderson

Taylor Duryea

Billy Hartung

Brad Hill

Sam Mitchell

Paul Puopolo

Cyril Rioli

Ben Ross

Brad Sewell

Jonathon Simpkin

Derick Wanganeen

Zac Webster

Alex Woodward