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http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/clubs-strike-it-rich-on-early-calls-20110414-1dg07.html
Although he won't be able to play until 2013 this would be a potentially great move.
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News Loop hole means we may get Joe Daniher a year early
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http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/clubs-strike-it-rich-on-early-calls-20110414-1dg07.html
Although he won't be able to play until 2013 this would be a potentially great move.
A extra year in the Bombers system, utilizing our equipment can only mean good things, he'll be ahead of his peers entering his and their first season. Did the Dogs do something similar with Wallis and Libratote? I read an article last week that since the dogs knew they would be getting them as F/S picks they got them down to the club to train and prepare them better before being drafted, a year or two before they were picked up.... If true, smart move and if Essendon are able to do this with Joe then good times!
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Bigfooty officially needs a like button, what awesome news. Hopefully we can hang on to our picks and Sheedy needs Dyson, or Welsh. 
Speaking of Danihers.... Is Darcy going to make it? Shocking run with injuries the last 3 years and just hasn't been able to string quality games together.... Is a forgotten man on these forums.
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No freaking way!!
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Don't really see what the big advantage is here. Unless we trade him for a crab?
From all reports, he pretty much lived at the club during pre season anyway. He is effectively being treated as an Essendon listed player that can't play as it currently stands.
bombermick
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Can't see a massive advantage unless we trade someone surplus to requirements.
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Ricky Dyson, Welsh, Prismall, Williams.
Take your pick Sheedy.
Take your pick Sheedy.
Rack Watts
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Well said TeamHurley, but I'd like Dyson as a depth player as he can kick.
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Yeh true dyson has some value. I was actually suprised when I went through the list thinking I would find half a team of crabs but there is actually not that many players I would want to see go.
it's a huge advantage guys.
As I understand it, this draft is extremely skinny for talent. It's been r*ped two ways, by the 17yr olds missing, and the GWS concessions; along with the GC finishing down the bottom. On top of that, it seems the draft just isn't as strong as some others.
Add to that there's some chance we may finish towards the top of the ladder, our first round pick could be in the 20s.
I think looking at it from a trading players perspective isn't right. We should look to offer our first 1 or 2 picks, or pick 1 and a player, for the opportunity.
We are far, far better off giving up our picks in this badly compromised draft than we are in the one we were supposed to.
It would be a massive win
vast
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What if GWS then refuse to trade the players? as far as I read they dont have to. I can see sheeds doing this lol.
nah they can't do that. If they weren't going to trade the players I don't think they can prelist them. It's already been determined Daniher and Viney are going to Essendon and Melbourne respectively. I think the only way it can't work for us is if other teams are prepared to give up more, as this is essentially a free hit for GWS to secure extra picks/players.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/clubs-strike-it-rich-on-early-calls-20110414-1dg07.html
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/clubs-strike-it-rich-on-early-calls-20110414-1dg07.html
This article is very misleading. She is basing her assumption that getting Joe this year would be better value than next year on the premise that offering GWS our first round pick and only our first round pick (or even Collingwood's @ 25ish) would be a sufficient offering to secure the trade with GWS.
This is wrong on 2 counts: Firstly, who's to say that offering would be good enough for GWS to accept as there are 16 (17?) clubs able to bid for the opportunity to take 1 of 4 of the best kids from the 2012 draft. Secondly, clubs are only able to secure 1 of these kids by trading players. That is the point of this concession, to enable GWS to secure experienced players on their list, and just trading draft picks are not in line with the rules.
Frankly, by virtue of the father-son bidding system, we will get Joe between 1 and 17 picks earlier than his worth in the 2012 draft.
At the same time, the very fact that there are 16 (17?) clubs to bid for the chances of getting 1 of these 4 picks, should ensure that the clubs that win these picks pay their worth.
So let's take the win we're already granted with Joe, and if we want to go for 1 of these 17 year olds, lets get another young gun in to the club that we aren't already guaranteed below cost price.
This is wrong on 2 counts: Firstly, who's to say that offering would be good enough for GWS to accept as there are 16 (17?) clubs able to bid for the opportunity to take 1 of 4 of the best kids from the 2012 draft. Secondly, clubs are only able to secure 1 of these kids by trading players. That is the point of this concession, to enable GWS to secure experienced players on their list, and just trading draft picks are not in line with the rules.
Frankly, by virtue of the father-son bidding system, we will get Joe between 1 and 17 picks earlier than his worth in the 2012 draft.
At the same time, the very fact that there are 16 (17?) clubs to bid for the chances of getting 1 of these 4 picks, should ensure that the clubs that win these picks pay their worth.
So let's take the win we're already granted with Joe, and if we want to go for 1 of these 17 year olds, lets get another young gun in to the club that we aren't already guaranteed below cost price.
if we could trade to get one of the top 4 17yo picks we'd be better off using that on another player. joe daniher can continue to develop under club guidelines and just be taken next year as an 18yo.
in terms of trading with the emergence of bellchambers (albeit early on) with david hille heading to his 30s is the timing right to trade him? You've got to give something of value to get a high pick - if Bellchambers and Ryder can hold down the ruck then it might be worthwhile considering. GWS may be interested in having a player of the quality of Hille for a few year to help the develop their kids.
Welsh should hold some trade value, Prismall is worth keeping whilst I doubt any club would be interested in Williams right now as he emits foul odours he's that bad.
in terms of trading with the emergence of bellchambers (albeit early on) with david hille heading to his 30s is the timing right to trade him? You've got to give something of value to get a high pick - if Bellchambers and Ryder can hold down the ruck then it might be worthwhile considering. GWS may be interested in having a player of the quality of Hille for a few year to help the develop their kids.
Welsh should hold some trade value, Prismall is worth keeping whilst I doubt any club would be interested in Williams right now as he emits foul odours he's that bad.
bombermick
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As I understand it, you can't give picks in exchange for those 17-year-olds. You can only trade players. Perhaps Prismall and co will have some value, but I think GWS will be wanting Bellchambers or someone else with real value.
I raised the possibility of seeing Hille finish elsewhere in the Bellchambers thread, and was shot down for it. I see it as possible and could be a solid move. I'm as big a fan of Hille as anyone but the fact is he won't play in our next premiership and is one of few older players in our side who hold trade value.
A side who believe they are 1 good ruckman away from a flag, such as Hawks, Carlton, Geelong, maybe a Sydney or Bulldogs, even a GWS or GC who want some experience, might offer something attractive and the Dons would be negligent not to look into it. If it meant trading Hille to GWS in order to have a first rounder and Daniher the following year - definitely attractive.
I'd say Welsh has no, or very little, trade value. Should've sent him to Pies a few years back when he was in his prime and they seemed keen.
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Not sure I would bother with the risk of trading, he is our's wheter other clubs like it or not.
If someone gives me a more than good reason for us to do it, I would reconsider. He will be at school, studying and spend another year developing in the TAC cup whilst the James Hird academy will give him the stepping stone into the culture and the proffesionalism that the Essendon Football Club stands for.
No need to rush good things, he is going to come to us, be it 2011, 2012, we wont see his true impact till 2014(ish) anyways, that is still another 3 years.
If someone gives me a more than good reason for us to do it, I would reconsider. He will be at school, studying and spend another year developing in the TAC cup whilst the James Hird academy will give him the stepping stone into the culture and the proffesionalism that the Essendon Football Club stands for.
No need to rush good things, he is going to come to us, be it 2011, 2012, we wont see his true impact till 2014(ish) anyways, that is still another 3 years.
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Essendon to me is a bigger club than that. To trade someone like Hille who has captained and bled for the club would show us to be mercenaries of the highest order, simply to give us the slightest advantage in how we get Daniher. We are bigger than that, and the most loyal servants deserve more than that. Otherwise we may as well just offer Dustin as well.
Rack Watts
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Keeping up the great goal kicking ruckman of the EFC
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No advantage trading anyone who we already have, trade for another young gun by all means but Joe is already a bomber and will take time, let's get another though.
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no advantage trading anyone who we already have, trade for another young gun by all means but joe is already a bomber and will take time, let's get another though.
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Think it is. Ceglar, Krakouer, Richardson, Mzungu, Faulks, Bewick, Phillips? I don't think any of their clubs directly traded players to the Gold Coast in their "exchange", only picks... Or is it a different form of prelisting?
