Mark Neeld

[Thecats4]

Mark Neeld said today the draft concessions allocated to the Suns and giants have compromised melbourne's
list. What a load of nonsense. Prior to the draft concessions Melbourne had many top 10, 20 draft picks.

Mark Neeld is responsible for Melbourne's current peformaces.It was a complete overreaction when the board sacked Dean Bailey.

Melbourne won 9 games in 2010 and 8 games in 2011

Melbourne had an emerging young list and I don't think the recruiting was that bad until Mark Neeld was appointed. He has put the club back 2- 3 years with poor recruiting decisions and delistings.

Traded pick 12 for Mitch Clarke - Mistake
Traded pick 20, 45 for Chris Dawes - mistake
Traded pick 3,13 for Jesse Hogan - A good pick up.

The recruiting of Gillies, Byrnes, Rodan, Pederson - mistake

The delisting of Cook, Gysberts - needed more to develop to see if they were good enough.Rivers and Moloney leaving was disappointing they were good melbourne players.

 

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[the distributer]

I'd bite the bullet and sack him now, his recruiting mistakes don't worry me that much, what concerns me is the team just wont chase, they clearly aren't playing for him, i think a decent VFL team would beat them ATM.

 

[Doctor Feel]

Where is Mark Melbourneeld At?

 

[Sylvia Saint]

Trading pick 12 for Mitch Clark has hardly been a mistake.

And it's way too early to be making the call on Dawes - although we did pay handsomely to get him.

Mark Neeld I think is a long way out of his depth as an AFL coach and will be sacked before the year's out.

 

[Nostradumbass]

The Clarke trade has just been bad luck, I don't think it was that bad a trade. Getting rid of some of the senior guys that they did was very poor.

 

[nicshata]

How many more high picks does he want ?????

The problem is they use these picks on duds or very average footballers

 

[nicshata]

Trading pick 12 for Mitch Clark has hardly been a mistake.

And it's way too early to be making the call on Dawes - although we did pay handsomely to get him.

Mark Neeld I think is a long way out of his depth as an AFL coach and will be sacked before the year's out.

No way!!!!!!

 

[Mr Magic]

Mark Neeld said today the draft concessions allocated to the Suns and giants have compromised melbourne's
list. What a load of nonsense. Prior to the draft concessions Melbourne had many top 10, 20 draft picks.

Mark Neeld is responsible for Melbourne's current peformaces.It was a complete overreaction when the board sacked Dean Bailey.

Melbourne won 9 games in 2010 and 8 games in 2011

Melbourne had an emerging young list and I don't think the recruiting was that bad until Mark Neeld was appointed. He has put the club back 2- 3 years with poor recruiting decisions and delistings.

Traded pick 12 for Mitch Clarke - Mistake
Traded pick 20, 45 for Chris Dawes - mistake
Traded pick 3,13 for Jesse Hogan - A good pick up.

The recruiting of Gillies, Byrnes, Rodan, Pederson - mistake

The delisting of Cook, Gysberts - needed more to develop to see if they were good enough.Rivers and Moloney leaving was disappointing they were good melbourne players.

see bold, is this the confirmation stakeholders want that their coach is on another planet??

 

[dmc333]

Wouldn't have thought Clark had put a foot wrong. Except for the fact he keeps breaking it.

Seriously though, if every recruit had performed as well as him Melbourne wouldn't have many issues.

 

[Rohan25]

I really feel for Mark Neeld. It shits me so much to hear "the players won't play for him". Wasn't that the reason the last guy got sacked when they lost by almost 200 that day a couple of years ago? At some stage they might want to start putting in a bit of effort because if I was the new coach coming in after Neeld goes, I'd take a pretty dim view of the guys who had seen off two sacked coaches they didn't want to play for.

 

[Mr Magic]

Trading pick 12 for Mitch Clark has hardly been a mistake.

And it's way too early to be making the call on Dawes - although we did pay handsomely to get him.

Mark Neeld I think is a long way out of his depth as an AFL coach and will be sacked before the year's out.

I thought when you guys did gets this letting draft picks go, let Moloney go, Rivers go, Petterd go , bring in Dawes and Byrnes the goal was the spoon??


If Melbourne's target is to get more draft picks with GWS and GC going up should AFL HQ accommodate them?? Oh sorry that is another thread isn't it?

 

[MeisterBot]

Neeld and the recruiting department has taken a risky strategy when it comes to bringing in new players/letting current ones go. It probably hasn't worked out (so far), but you can see the reasoning behind it. Bring in experienced and/or fringe players with a strong work ethic who have shown enough to hold down positions until more talented guys come in with the work ethic the recruits have instilled can take their spots in a few years.

As for his gameplan/gameday coaching, jury is out. It's hard to say whether the fault is Neeld's bad coaching, or the lack of consistent effort from Melbourne players. They do okay in patches, then they decide to pack up shop because they can't be bothered trying any more. Unless Neeld can improve on-field performance soon, he's gone. But you have to wonder whether any coach could actually get them to play tough and consistent football.

Perhaps Bailey's "bruise free" and inconsistent footy was because he knew the list didn't have it in them to play anything else. Who knows.

Feel sorry for Neeld though. He'd probably grow into a good senior coach if given a better list and club to work with, but he's got Melbourne and it could kill his career before he really got a chance to show what he has to offer.

 

[Mr Magic]

Neeld and the recruiting department has taken a risky strategy when it comes to bringing in new players/letting current ones go. It probably hasn't worked out (so far), but you can see the reasoning behind it. Bring in experienced and/or fringe players with a strong work ethic who have shown enough to hold down positions until more talented guys come in with the work ethic the recruits have instilled can take their spots in a few years.

As for his gameplan/gameday coaching, jury is out. It's hard to say whether the fault is Neeld's bad coaching, or the lack of consistent effort from Melbourne players. They do okay in patches, then they decide to pack up shop because they can't be bothered trying any more. Unless Neeld can improve on-field performance soon, he's gone. But you have to wonder whether any coach could actually get them to play tough and consistent football.

Perhaps Bailey's "bruise free" and inconsistent footy was because he knew the list didn't have it in them to play anything else. Who knows.

Feel sorry for Neeld though. He'd probably grow into a good senior coach if given a better list and club to work with, but he's got Melbourne and it could kill his career before he really got a chance to show what he has to offer.

how does that sell hope that clubs prosperity depend on??? Cousins gave more hope on his little finger before his hamstring!!

Where Melb are now they need an elder markee player to install belief IMO but no chance now with no visible light in the tunnel.

IMO Melb where scrapping on the bottom last year but the decisions they made last year took them off the dial!!!

Melbourne are now in the twilight zone!!

 

[Sylvia Saint]

I really feel for Mark Neeld. It shits me so much to hear "the players won't play for him". Wasn't that the reason the last guy got sacked when they lost by almost 200 that day a couple of years ago? At some stage they might want to start putting in a bit of effort because if I was the new coach coming in after Neeld goes, I'd take a pretty dim view of the guys who had seen off two sacked coaches they didn't want to play for.

Very different circumstances. Word was that Bailey was well liked by the players but lacked authority. Players could do as they please. Not a good culture. But Neeld is just a prick who couldn't run a bath let alone a struggling football club!

The fact Brent Moloney went from B&F and 19 brownlow votes in 2011, to reserves in 2012, to playing good footy again in 2013 at Brissy, says it all. A big experienced clearance midfielder. And the irony is Neeld claimed the Gold Coast "outbodied us" on the weekend. Clown.

 

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[Mr Magic]

Very different circumstances. Word was that Bailey was well liked by the players but lacked authority. Players could do as they please. Not a good culture. But Neeld is just a prick who couldn't run a bath let alone a struggling football club!

The fact Brent Moloney went from B&F and 19 brownlow votes in 2011, to reserves in 2012, to playing good footy again in 2013 at Brissy, says it all. A big experienced clearance midfielder. And the irony is Neeld claimed the Gold Coast "outbodied us" on the weekend. Clown.

yeah I hear a lot of apparent hypocrisy when he speaks!!!

Things seem off kilter and I cannot put 2 and 2 together when listening to Neeld!!!

 

[LBJ6]

Traded pick 12 for Mitch Clarke - Mistake

No.

Traded pick 20, 45 for Chris Dawes - mistake
Traded pick 3,13 for Jesse Hogan - A good pick up.

It was picks 3 & 13 for Jesse Hogan, pick 20 and Dom Barry.
So 3, 13 & 45 for Jesse Hogan, Chris Dawes & Dom Barry.
Thought Dawes looked good last week with very limited opportunities so could still work out well.
In regards to the actual topic of the thread, Neeld is an idiot. But GC & GWS cost us two top 4 or 5 picks. We didn't get reamed as bad as Port did so if they're not complaining then we can't.

 

[master bate]

Neeld's whole basis comes from whatever happened under Bailey from 2008-2011 was an abject failure. If you take that viewpoint everything he says is much rosier.

Players who looked like they would perform and become the basis for the rise up the ladder (which started falsely in 2010) were never going to measure up.

Think of Jurrah, Wonaeamirri, Bate, Petterd, Morton, Maric, Martin, Bennell, Gysberts. Where are any of them now? In 2010 who wasn't impressed and wouldn't mind a piece of quite a few of those guys.

Pretty much Neeld said half of Bailey's good young players are complete crud and had to go. This is what he means by rebuilding the rebuild.

The reasoning for Rodan was to get a big body midfielder to take heat of Viney and others. Byrnes to provide a half decent small forward. Pedersen as a direct replacement for Stef Martin as a versatile tall so we didn't throw in unready guys. These guys have been more of a recruiting failure than a bad plan.

Everyone will see Neeld's comments as poor Melbourne they didn't get enough top draft picks, but that isn't what he's saying at all!

The problem with GWS and GC coming in is through their recruitment zones and prelisted players and also compensation picks they've spaced the draft out bucketloads. So instead of being able to turn the list over in a couple of drafts by delisting 8 or so main list players (say at end of 2011) and getting picks 5, 23, 41, 59 etc we got pick 12 (minus players taken makes it more like a pick 20) for Clark and then our next two picks. The drafts just haven't had the depth that any recruiter wanted to dig deeper than the third round if that.

Now I'm not defending Melbourne's list management in terms of their ability to pick and develop the right players, its been horrible. And I'm not defending Neeld's ability to coach a team and get them to play for him, that's even worse and should cost him his job. But the reality is with GWS and Gold Coast taking not only the top players but also the depth of the drafts it's made things hard to turn over enough quickly. And it's better to have a Rodan/Byrnes/Dawes on your list than 3 blokes who can barely get a kick in the VFL and won't amount to anything.

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

Motivating players to play for you is one of the skills successful coaches master. If you can't get players on-side, for whatever reason, your days as a coach are short lived.

 

[master bate]

It was picks 3 & 13 for Jesse Hogan, pick 20 and Dom Barry.
So 3, 13 & 45 for Jesse Hogan, Chris Dawes & Dom Barry.
Thought Dawes looked good last week with very limited opportunities so could still work out well.
In regards to the actual topic of the thread, Neeld is an idiot. But GC & GWS cost us two top 4 or 5 picks. We didn't get reamed as bad as Port did so if they're not complaining then we can't.

It's actually even better than that. Gold Coast were seriously considering Viney as father sun nomination that would've cost us pick 3. Then we would've been left with only picks 13 and 26.

So it was pick 3, 13, 26 and 45

For Hogan, Dawes, Viney and Barry.

Plus we worked out to make sure GWS weren't interested in Toumpas so we got him with pick 4. You can build a lot around a gun clearance mid and a gun CHF. Essendon weren't much more and still played finals when it was pretty much Watson in the middle and Hurley at CHF. That's our hope for the future. Pretty much if I was a coaching candidate for Neeld's job I'd pretty much say well this place is a rabble there's a few talents here and there but my best chance of anything is to pray like hell Hogan and Viney fulfill there potential.

Judging Dawes is very premature at the moment. All you can judge players on in a side this bad is energy and effort. Dawes gave at least a little last week. Let's see how he goes.

 

[master bate]

Motivating players to play for you is one of the skills successful coaches master. If you can't get players on-side, for whatever reason, your days as a coach are short lived.

Successful coaches don't master it, it just comes naturally to them. Neeld may have got a good system out of a pies team that was full of stars but clearly can't come up with anything from the Melbourne guys.

They are also the most confused bunch of footballers on what to do in terms of game plan or where to run which never helps.

 

[Demonheart]

Mark Neeld said today the draft concessions allocated to the Suns and giants have compromised melbourne's
list. What a load of nonsense. Prior to the draft concessions Melbourne had many top 10, 20 draft picks.

Mark Neeld is responsible for Melbourne's current peformaces.It was a complete overreaction when the board sacked Dean Bailey.

Melbourne won 9 games in 2010 and 8 games in 2011

Melbourne had an emerging young list and I don't think the recruiting was that bad until Mark Neeld was appointed. He has put the club back 2- 3 years with poor recruiting decisions and delistings.

Traded pick 12 for Mitch Clarke - Mistake
Traded pick 20, 45 for Chris Dawes - mistake
Traded pick 3,13 for Jesse Hogan - A good pick up.

The recruiting of Gillies, Byrnes, Rodan, Pederson - mistake

The delisting of Cook, Gysberts - needed more to develop to see if they were good enough.Rivers and Moloney leaving was disappointing they were good melbourne players.

lol, sadly this kid has nfi.

 

[Marlowe]

Sorry, your point is...?

 

[Tulip]

]or recruiting decisions and delistings.

Traded pick 12 for Mitch Clarke - Mistake

I agree with everything until this. What the ****?

Would you rather we had that kid Sam Docherty at Brisbane who can't get a game?

Or someone who is establishing themselves as a bone fide star?