Matt Rendell...

[Bell Ringer]

Even after certain people in this forum have explained why taking kids under-16 from indigenous communities is being culturally insensitive, even though it's not like the Stolen Generation, the fundamental principles are there.

Rendell to be replaced by Mr Cruel?

FMD, they aren't gonna start kidnapping kids and teaching them the ways of the Aryan Nations.

 

[philohk]

From Hun



http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/mor...or-racial-fracas/story-e6frf9jf-1226306434134


If this is true, and they were offended by the suggestion of putting kids into top schools in Melbourne, then they should be sacked from the AFL

Now I'm lost. They were offended by the idea of offering scholarships - not taking children, offering them scholarships that their parents would have to agree to? What? AFL owes a massive explanation for this whole sordid mess. Sounds like they're trying to come up with post-facto justifications on the fly and are doing a terrible job.

 

[weevil]

Marngrook Footy Show interview with Mifsud tomorrow.

 

[RegHickeyStand]

From Hun



http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/mor...or-racial-fracas/story-e6frf9jf-1226306434134


If this is true, and they were offended by the suggestion of putting kids into top schools in Melbourne, then they should be sacked from the AFL

They are going to offer these kids a chance to go to the best schools in the country, and an armchair ride into the best junior competitions in the country?

The monsters!

They are worse than Hitler.

 

[philohk]

Marngrook Footy Show interview with Mifsud tomorrow.

Cheers for the tip, weevil - hope someone puts up a link. If Mifsud gives a compelling account of the conversation and it turns out that Rendell did say some racist things, I'm happy to change my mind. But on the basis of what's been said so far, seems unlikely.

 

[RegHickeyStand]

Methinks there are a few AFL-bots in this thread. Because no-one could be that dumb.

 

[RegHickeyStand]

Cheers for the tip, weevil - hope someone puts up a link. If Mifsud gives a compelling account of the conversation and it turns out that Rendell did say some racist things, I'm happy to change my mind. But on the basis of what's been said so far, seems unlikely.

I need to know why he didn't take it up with Rendell at the time, or soon after.

 

[WALL-e]

Can anyone come up with a nonracist reason why not one single club even put this guy on their rookie list?

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Is Demetriou asking hard questions about why someone so obviously spectacularly talented was overlooked by every club?

Or is he just taking public pot-shots at easy targets?

Bit reason why Waylon struggled was because he found Draft Camp very hard to acclimatize to. Was over-awed and daunted by it. Almost left.....draft camp. AFL is Draft Camp x 1000.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Even after certain people in this forum have explained why taking kids under-16 from indigenous communities is being culturally insensitive, even though it's not like the Stolen Generation, the fundamental principles are there. This is the form of racism which is uneducated racism or ignorant racism, and it can be just as dangerous because if a person is ignorant and chooses to remain that way, no education will allow for greater cultural awareness.

What's your opinion re the suggestion of the federal Minister for Indigenous Health, Warren Snowden, that indigenous players be held back from entering the AFL until the age of 20? Racist?

 

[Mattrox]

The offence taken may not have been remarks with possible race annotations. Buy saying that there is a problem that needs to be fixed 'now, not in 6 months, not next year, now' makes those in charge of current programmes look like they are not doing their job properly. Rather than take things as a suggestion and work with it they got insulted.

 

[King Elvis]

Now I'm lost. They were offended by the idea of offering scholarships - not taking children, offering them scholarships that their parents would have to agree to? What? AFL owes a massive explanation for this whole sordid mess. Sounds like they're trying to come up with post-facto justifications on the fly and are doing a terrible job.

They're making shit up to justify their over reaction.

Mifsud apparently laughed it off to Thomas, and didnt take offense at the time, or in the six weeks after - until they need to prove that they had valid reasons to knife Rendell; when he apparently became deeply offended.

And if the concept of the Academy was the main issue, then they've lost the plot - if they didn't like the idea, fair enough, if they thought it had negative connotations, then tell Rendell why - but there was no reason to make a private conversation, where the intentions were nothing but positive, and kill a kitten with a nuke.

 

[scottwade]

The offence taken may not have been remarks with possible race annotations. Buy saying that there is a problem that needs to be fixed 'now, not in 6 months, not next year, now' makes those in charge of current programmes look like they are not doing their job properly. Rather than take things as a suggestion and work with it they got insulted.

''In Victoria, we have lost the Aboriginal community in Mildura to soccer and we are losing the Aboriginal community in Geelong to basketball,'' AFL community engagement manager Jason Mifsud told The Age in an exclusive interview. ''We only have four Aboriginal kids at TAC Cup level and four Victorian Aboriginal people playing VFL. Premier cricket have nine Aboriginal kids on their lists, so cricket outstrips us in Victoria.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/football-on-the-outer-20120315-1v890.html#ixzz1pk6vE0Eq
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Whose fault is that?

 

[RegHickeyStand]

Mifsud: "A recruiter from one club told me that 'unless they have a white parent we are not going to draft an Aboriginal player and our club would not be alone in that'."

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...ite-parents-20120315-1v8az.html#ixzz1pkCauQa0

For Mifsud to back this up, he has to say that Rendell never came up with a plan to give Aboriginals the chance to go to schools that are a stepping stone to TAC etc. Otherwise it will sound like Mifsud cherry-picked what Rendell said.

It will be an interesting interview tomorrow. ABC2 8.30pm
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[Lach72]

From Hun



http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/mor...or-racial-fracas/story-e6frf9jf-1226306434134


If this is true, and they were offended by the suggestion of putting kids into top schools in Melbourne, then they should be sacked from the AFL

I'd have to agree. That would be difference of opinion and nothing to get offended by.
If you're in a senior position like that and someone proposes an idea that doesnt fit your box and all you can do is run around screaming "Whitey jus' don't get us blackfellas", (cwutididthar?), then you don't deserve your position.

If that's the case, that is.

 

[Roby]

Can you give concrete examples of where Rendell contradicted himself?

Check my post history, reread the articles, watch On The Couch, Footy Classifed and listen to theAdelaide Triple M intervew. If that is too much - which I expect it will be - just check my post history it's all there in black and white, chronologically ordered over last 4-5 days.

 

[Plugger35]

The AFL's reasons for justifying their treatment of Rendell are becoming as ridiculous as Roby's arguments in this thread and that is saying something.

They aren't seriously trying to suggest that Mifsud and Fahour were offended by Rendell's suggestion that they set up a pre-draft academy for indigenous players in Melbourne are they?

It is a suggestion designed to help indigenous players get drafted and have long term AFL careers which should be their objective and even if they weren't in favour of it they didn't have to go ahead with it, it was only a suggestion FFS. Why the hell would anyone be offended by a suggestion that was aimed at trying to help them?

Also how do the media keep reporting this crap coming out of the AFL and take it seriously? Not only that but it seems like most of them are supporting the AFL's version of events without so much as a word of criticism or even questioning it?

 

[Roby]

What's your opinion re the suggestion of the federal Minister for Indigenous Health, Warren Snowden, that indigenous players be held back from entering the AFL until the age of 20? Racist?

Cyril Rioli and I could go on. Cultural insensitivity at it's worst.

That's why the AFL is far better arbiter over the last two decades over these matters than the Federal Goverment. Misfud and McLeod represented on behalf of the AFL last year at the UN Humans Rights Council to speak about the AFL's racial and religious vilification code which he AFL won award from the UN.

 

[TAITA]

Also how do the media keep reporting this crap coming out of the AFL and take it seriously? Not only that but it seems like most of them are supporting the AFL's version of events without so much as a word of criticism or even questioning it?

To do so is akin to professional suicide.

 

[BigBroMike]

seriously some of you need to grow up. racism is wrong. rendell should not have pissed down the backs of aboriginals. clearly he needs to learn some respect.

I don't think Rendell is racist but I do believe he deserved to be sacked for his comments. You just can't say stuff like that. It's not the 1970s anymore.

I havn't read all the pages of this thread but Richard Tambling wrote on facebook about the incident before he knew it was Rendell- "Too black, too difficult- don't bother chasing your dream of AFL football". I know if I was aboriginal I would be offended at what he said as well regardless of the context. Even with the context what he said isn't right. For any white people struggling to understand this could you imagine if an NFL recruiter said something like "I would never recruit a wide receiver unless he had 1 black parent" and than defended his position by saying statistically there are hardly any white receivers because they lack the speed or something along those lines.

 

[Roby]

The AFL's reasons for justifying their treatment of Rendell are becoming as ridiculous as Roby's arguments in this thread and that is saying something.

They aren't seriously trying to suggest that Mifsud and Fahour were offended by Rendell's suggestion that they set up a pre-draft academy for indigenous players in Melbourne are they?

It is a suggestion designed to help indigenous players get drafted and have long term AFL careers which should be their objective and even if they weren't in favour of it they didn't have to go ahead with it, it was only a suggestion FFS. Why the hell would anyone be offended by a suggestion that was aimed at trying to help them?

Also how do the media keep reporting this crap coming out of the AFL and take it seriously? Not only that but it seems like most of them are supporting the AFL's version of events without so much as a word of criticism or even questioning it?

Let it go.

Rendell has apologised sincerely, he has also asked that Demetriou, Misfud, Fahour and The Adelaide football club left alone. He admitted it was his fault and nobody else's. He also admitted he said other things he did not want to talk about, which he now realises how hurtful they were.

I plead for you and others like yourself to let it go now that you have the benefit of hindsight, but I fear you may have your own pride at stake.

 

[weevil]

Check my post history, reread the articles, watch On The Couch, Footy Classifed and listen to theAdelaide Triple M intervew. If that is too much - which I expect it will be - just check my post history it's all there in black and white, chronologically ordered over last 4-5 days.

So everyone else has to run around following your instructions, yet when it does not suit your agenda you cannot answer one simple question?

 

[CF]

I don't think Rendell is racist but I do believe he deserved to be sacked for his comments. You just can't say stuff like that. It's not the 1970s anymore.

agreed. In spite of his intentions he lacked respect and sensitivity when trying to make his point.

Then to suggest we take indigenous kids who are under 16 from their homes for conditioning into being able to cope with the AFL machine was something akin to the stolen generations again but on a lessor scale.

good riddance to him he has lost the plot.

 

[yebiga]

The Adelaide FC had a responsibility to protect the welfare of its employee. In the event that an employee requires education or needs to change their behavior that employee should be given a reasonable opportunity to correct their behavior.

Adelaide FC is legally liable for any loss of money, reputation or any other damages suffered by Matt Rendell - clearly there a plenty. Fortunately for them, Matt has infinitely more character and integrity then the senior management who sacked him. Thus, Adelaide will get away with this contemptible dereliction of their responsibilities.

The AFL may not be legally liable but they are morally the guilty party. There is no need to read between the lines. Demetriou was angry when he called Adelaide FC, he made his anger very clear and he made it known he wanted action to be taken. He also pre-empted in the media the recruiter who said this would not be long in his job.

The racist talk on this issue has become like a bad python sketch. There are apparently many versions of racism from KKK white supremacy, insensitive indifference, unconscious condescension and other embedded forms of cultural racism; A veritable feast of theories and insults have been cast at people by people who virtually never interact with indigenous people.
What they know is entirely defined by the media they have been exposed to.

AD must either apologize to Matt or prepare for life post AFL.

 

[BigBroMike]

agreed. In spite of his intentions he lacked respect and sensitivity when trying to make his point.

Then to suggest we take indigenous kids who are under 16 from their homes for conditioning into being able to cope with the AFL machine was something akin to the stolen generations again but on a lessor scale.

good riddance to him he has lost the plot.

Exactly. Why people are defending this guy is beyond me...

 

[Roby]

So everyone else has to run around following your instructions, yet when it does not suit your agenda you cannot answer one simple question?

My agenda is very simple and it's in the post history. Your question is insulting and if you read my post history or anything I have written you would realise this.

In fact, I have responded to as many people as possible even though I have been barraged left, right and centre. Obviously now the opinion swayed, I also see less posting which is to be expected on a such a forum, nobody wants to apologise that they've got it wrong, still clinging to that theory that is all big cover up.

I have shown sympathy for Rendell more than you realise. I am glad he finally made a sincere apology and now genuinely wants to move along, why can't you?