List Mgmt. Mid-Season Draft - Who do we take?

[Sanders]

Agreed, it’s a smart strategy, every year there are players overlooked who get picked up the following year. Instead of paying a premium you get them cheap and you’ve had half a season to track them.

I think the problem is, you’re offering them a longer term contract so by taking them you’re committed to delisting someone else

I’d want to be pretty sure I was getting someone worth going early on

I’m sticking with my prediction of no pick

 

[Elite Crow]

I think the problem is, you’re offering them a longer term contract so by taking them you’re committed to delisting someone else

I’d want to be pretty sure I was getting someone worth going early on

I’m sticking with my prediction of no pick

Do we have to offer a long term deal?

Also they wouldn’t grab some one for the sake of it, it would only be if they’ve identified someone they would want to draft at the end of year anyway.

 

[Sanders]

Do we have to offer a long term deal?

Also they wouldn’t grab some one for the sake of it, it would only be if they’ve identified someone they would want to draft at the end of year anyway.

Not 100% sure if we have to offer a longer term contract or not. Thought we did but not totally certain

Thing is: the list spot is created by injury for a guy who is going to stay on the list, so at years end someone needs to go

Otherwise it’s to the end of the year, and at the moment, with our depth and few injuries we don’t need to do that

So the only option that could make sense is offering a longer term deal

And I think that puts a high hurdle to get over

 

[chazwazza]

This is one of the problems I have with the MSD, what gristle do the AFL teams poaching these players need to have, where’s the consequence? Where’s the forced security and commitment to the player?
Some people have accused me of being a navel gazer concerning this, I think I’ve got a better wholistic perspective on it than some who are just concerned with what the benefits are for their AFL team, it can be a very limited view in my opinion.
I think the MSD should’ve been limited to AFL listed players and non listed players at AFL reserve or affiliated teams. Let’s remember that the AFL have quarantined the NEAFL AFL Reserves teams and academy’s from the MSD, if it’s such a great thing why do that? Because they know it’s toxic to the competitions and teams that will be f***ed over by it.
Many won’t give a shit as all they want is what’s best for their AFL club but the massive disruption it imposes onto the State League Club far outweighes the minuscule benefit the AFL club will get or the dubious promises offered to the player.
There’s so little in all of this that has any substance to it whatsoever it’d be laughable if it wasn’t so disgraceful. There’s no compensation to the club, no promises to the player and nothing to lose whatsoever for the AFL club.
There should be, at the very least, a transfer fee paid to the state league club, any costs incurred in getting the player to the SLC club covered also, a minimum of two years on a list for the player and all of that should be included in their AFL salary cap.
But it’s just a free frivolous hit for the AFL that disregards any cost to anything below it.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

This is one of the problems I have with the MSD, what gristle do the AFL teams poaching these players need to have, where’s the consequence? Where’s the forced security and commitment to the player?
Some people have accused me of being a navel gazer concerning this, I think I’ve got a better wholistic perspective on it than some who are just concerned with what the benefits are for their AFL team, it can be a very limited view in my opinion.
I think the MSD should’ve been limited to AFL listed players and non listed players at AFL reserve or affiliated teams. Let’s remember that the AFL have quarantined the NEAFL AFL Reserves teams and academy’s from the MSD, if it’s such a great thing why do that? Because they know it’s toxic to the competitions and teams that will be f***ed over by it.
Many won’t give a shit as all they want is what’s best for their AFL club but the massive disruption it imposes onto the State League Club far outweighes the minuscule benefit the AFL club will get or the dubious promises offered to the player.
There’s so little in all of this that has any substance to it whatsoever it’d be laughable if it wasn’t so disgraceful. There’s no compensation to the club, no promises to the player and nothing to lose whatsoever for the AFL club.
There should be, at the very least, a transfer fee paid to the state league club, any costs incurred in getting the player to the SLC club covered also, a minimum of two years on a list for the player and all of that should be included in their AFL salary cap.
But it’s just a free frivolous hit for the AFL that disregards any cost to anything below it.

Put yourself in the shoes of the player, dreaming of big things and busting their arse to make a career out of football.

IMO that's what the SANFL clubs should be doing. Looking after their players and helping them reach their highest level.

 

[chazwazza]

Put yourself in the shoes of the player, dreaming of big things and busting their arse to make a career out of football.

IMO that's what the SANFL clubs should be doing. Looking after their players and helping them reach their highest level.

They do do that, they always have been. Where’s the protection for the player? Answer that.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

They do do that, they always have been. Where’s the protection for the player? Answer that.

That's for the player to worry about

I'm sure for a once in a lifetime opportunity they're prepared to take the risk

 

[chazwazza]

That's for the player to worry about

I'm sure for a once in a lifetime opportunity they're prepared to take the risk

Thats a cop out, where’s the AFLPA on this? Looking after their own interests and f*** any fringe player. It’s a very glib statement to say that it’s for the player to worry about.
F*** me.
You know what, maybe poor list management and injuries are for the AFL clubs to worry about, not anyone under them.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Thats a cop out, where’s the AFLPA on this? Looking after their own interests and f*** any fringe player. It’s a very glib statement to say that it’s for the player to worry about.
F*** me.
You know what, maybe poor list management and injuries are for the AFL clubs to worry about, not anyone under them.

It is for the player to worry about

Same as it is for any draftee.

They go into a system that could end any minute. Study on hold, work on hold, life on hold... chasing a dream.

This is simply adding a little flexibility to the entry point.

You're campaigning under the pretense of looking after the interest of the player when really you just want your SANFL team to be able to hang onto all its players.

Don't worry - if it really is a shit deal for these players then their state league clubs will be able to explain it to them and they won't register for the draft.

 

[ams4crows]

get Kym Koster back on the list to play 5 games so he can get to 100 AFL games

 

[Stepover]

Didn't Grigg make a comment once that he wasn't interested.

From memory he said something along the lines that he's already been there and done that.

I think he's come to realise that he's not quite good enough to cut the mustard and has zero interest getting back into the AFL rat race.

There are a few currently in the system less talented than him.


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[Sanders]

This is one of the problems I have with the MSD, what gristle do the AFL teams poaching these players need to have, where’s the consequence? Where’s the forced security and commitment to the player?
Some people have accused me of being a navel gazer concerning this, I think I’ve got a better wholistic perspective on it than some who are just concerned with what the benefits are for their AFL team, it can be a very limited view in my opinion.
I think the MSD should’ve been limited to AFL listed players and non listed players at AFL reserve or affiliated teams. Let’s remember that the AFL have quarantined the NEAFL AFL Reserves teams and academy’s from the MSD, if it’s such a great thing why do that? Because they know it’s toxic to the competitions and teams that will be f***ed over by it.
Many won’t give a shit as all they want is what’s best for their AFL club but the massive disruption it imposes onto the State League Club far outweighes the minuscule benefit the AFL club will get or the dubious promises offered to the player.
There’s so little in all of this that has any substance to it whatsoever it’d be laughable if it wasn’t so disgraceful. There’s no compensation to the club, no promises to the player and nothing to lose whatsoever for the AFL club.
There should be, at the very least, a transfer fee paid to the state league club, any costs incurred in getting the player to the SLC club covered also, a minimum of two years on a list for the player and all of that should be included in their AFL salary cap.
But it’s just a free frivolous hit for the AFL that disregards any cost to anything below it.

Paragraphs please

 

[Mismatched]

This is one of the problems I have with the MSD, what gristle do the AFL teams poaching these players need to have, where’s the consequence? Where’s the forced security and commitment to the player?
Some people have accused me of being a navel gazer concerning this, I think I’ve got a better wholistic perspective on it than some who are just concerned with what the benefits are for their AFL team, it can be a very limited view in my opinion.
I think the MSD should’ve been limited to AFL listed players and non listed players at AFL reserve or affiliated teams. Let’s remember that the AFL have quarantined the NEAFL AFL Reserves teams and academy’s from the MSD, if it’s such a great thing why do that? Because they know it’s toxic to the competitions and teams that will be f***ed over by it.
Many won’t give a shit as all they want is what’s best for their AFL club but the massive disruption it imposes onto the State League Club far outweighes the minuscule benefit the AFL club will get or the dubious promises offered to the player.
There’s so little in all of this that has any substance to it whatsoever it’d be laughable if it wasn’t so disgraceful. There’s no compensation to the club, no promises to the player and nothing to lose whatsoever for the AFL club.
There should be, at the very least, a transfer fee paid to the state league club, any costs incurred in getting the player to the SLC club covered also, a minimum of two years on a list for the player and all of that should be included in their AFL salary cap.
But it’s just a free frivolous hit for the AFL that disregards any cost to anything below it.

Personally I’m of the opinion that if clubs can’t manage their list of ~45 players such that they can’t cover injuries to best 22 players then too bad. Injuries are a part of the game, if you choose to load up on inexperienced teenagers, rather than a few experienced back ups, then too bad.

The AFL spends too much time catering to and propping up the lowest common denominator.

The smart clubs will use this rule to pick the next Tim Kelly, Shane McAdam, Liam Ryan etc instead of waiting for the draft at the end of the year.

If injuries are such a concern, how about lists are simply expanded to 50 or have an extended rookie list instead of supplementary list for reserves top ups? I simply don’t think clubs need an extra bite at the cherry, just because their list cannot sustain an injury to the extent that a state level player with no AFL preseason will be of any benefit what so ever.

 

[Bazz_27]

Personally I’m of the opinion that if clubs can’t manage their list of ~45 players such that they can’t cover injuries to best 22 players then too bad. Injuries are a part of the game, if you choose to load up on inexperienced teenagers, rather than a few experienced back ups, then too bad.

The AFL spends too much time catering to and propping up the lowest common denominator.

The smart clubs will use this rule to pick the next Tim Kelly, Shane McAdam, Liam Ryan etc instead of waiting for the draft at the end of the year.

If injuries are such a concern, how about lists are simply expanded to 50 or have an extended rookie list instead of supplementary list for reserves top ups? I simply don’t think clubs need an extra bite at the cherry, just because their list cannot sustain an injury to the extent that a state level player with no AFL preseason will be of any benefit what so ever.

Most clubs would be in trouble if they had 2 KPP or ruckman injured.

I'm a big fan of the mid season draft, and would actually really like mid season trade period just as much. Imagine if ROB could spend 6 months as first ruck somewhere else on a loan type arrangement to get experience and help out a side decimated in the ruck.

I get your point about increased list sizes but there will always be a few who slip through the cracks and put in a blinder the year after their draft year.

 

[chazwazza]

Personally I’m of the opinion that if clubs can’t manage their list of ~45 players such that they can’t cover injuries to best 22 players then too bad. Injuries are a part of the game, if you choose to load up on inexperienced teenagers, rather than a few experienced back ups, then too bad.

The AFL spends too much time catering to and propping up the lowest common denominator.

The smart clubs will use this rule to pick the next Tim Kelly, Shane McAdam, Liam Ryan etc instead of waiting for the draft at the end of the year.

If injuries are such a concern, how about lists are simply expanded to 50 or have an extended rookie list instead of supplementary list for reserves top ups? I simply don’t think clubs need an extra bite at the cherry, just because their list cannot sustain an injury to the extent that a state level player with no AFL preseason will be of any benefit what so ever.

Agree, tap into their Reserves teams and upgrade an unlisted player if they really have to, no need to stuff around another team, club or competition.

 

[Bazz_27]

Agree, tap into their Reserves teams and upgrade an unlisted player if they really have to, no need to stuff around another team, club or competition.

Out of interest what is the rules with SANFL sides? Can they pick players up for there 2s from other leagues if injuries hit etc?

 

[Golumless]

They do do that, they always have been. Where’s the protection for the player? Answer that.

The same as if they were drafted in any draft - there isn't. They are just given an opportunity to make it.

That argument doesn't fly at all.

 

[skam85]

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Glad I revealed this one too.

Politics thread alias? I'm sorry?

What's the point of blocking someone if you're just going to reply to all of their posts anyway?

 

[chazwazza]

The same as if they were drafted in any draft - there isn't. They are just given an opportunity to make it.

That argument doesn't fly at all.

Don’t newly drafted players have to be given a contract for two years? My understanding is that they do, if so, that’s the protection and security I’m talking about.
If a player is drafted or traded from another club they get a multi year contact......protection.
I doubt these players picked up in the MSD will be offered any of that and that’s my point, AFL clubs should be forced to contract them for two years.

 

[chazwazza]

Out of interest what is the rules with SANFL sides? Can they pick players up for there 2s from other leagues if injuries hit etc?

They have a senior list at the start of the year, I’m not sure what rules there are about Reserves players not on the senior list. SANFL clubs can approach amateur players but I’m not sure of the rules around that and I doubt it happens very often. My stance towards that happening is the same as it is between the AFL and state league clubs.

 

[Pea Nut]

Don’t newly drafted players have to be given a contract for two years? My understanding is that they do, if so, that’s the protection and security I’m talking about.
If a player is drafted or traded from another club they get a multi year contact......protection.
I doubt these players picked up in the MSD will be offered any of that and that’s my point, AFL clubs should be forced to contract them for two years.

Players taken in the main draft get 2 years. Players taken in the rookie draft get 1 year. Mid season draft players will get the remaining half of the year. It does get them exposure to an AFL system and an opportunity to earn an extension just like every other player.

 

[Mego Red]

What's the point of blocking someone if you're just going to reply to all of their posts anyway?

True that.

 

[conVINCEd]

Personally I’m of the opinion that if clubs can’t manage their list of ~45 players such that they can’t cover injuries to best 22 players then too bad. Injuries are a part of the game, if you choose to load up on inexperienced teenagers, rather than a few experienced back ups, then too bad.

The AFL spends too much time catering to and propping up the lowest common denominator.

The smart clubs will use this rule to pick the next Tim Kelly, Shane McAdam, Liam Ryan etc instead of waiting for the draft at the end of the year.

If injuries are such a concern, how about lists are simply expanded to 50 or have an extended rookie list instead of supplementary list for reserves top ups? I simply don’t think clubs need an extra bite at the cherry, just because their list cannot sustain an injury to the extent that a state level player with no AFL preseason will be of any benefit what so ever.

Agreed. I enjoy seeing the strategies clubs decide upon - how many ruckman do you carry on your list, do you keep that older player on the list for another year even if he isn't in the First XXII etc.

 

[conVINCEd]

get Kym Koster back on the list to play 5 games so he can get to 100 AFL games

We should've taken advantage of the substitute's bib to get that done.

 

[adelaidecrows]

I have not one single issue with the MSD

At the end of the day, players at state league level are welcome to avoid the draft. In fact its unlikely they will even play a game as they will spend the greater part of the last half of the season, just doing a mini pre season. So why bother. This means that all that will be happening is that they get shunted from their state league side into the Crows SANFL side. However the MSD is really not going to impact anything anyway long term because for what ever issues the SANFL and VFL are going to have with the MSD, the reserves sides will smash the guts out of those competitions anyway as players look to join the future reserves comp while chasing their dream and unlike the current system, there is nothing those leagues can do about it.