List Mgmt. Most important player

[Kane McGoodwin]

I haven't done this for a few years, but thought it would be good to start up again.

Rank the crows' squad in terms of importance to the team. Ie. Who could we least afford to lose. This is not a beat player ranking.

1. Talia - defence would be vulnerable.
2. Jacobs - lose dominance he gives.
3. Walker - key forwards & leadership hard to replace.
4. Sloane - now our best midfielder
5. B crouch - should become our best midfielder.
6. Smith - our most damaging kicking player.
7. Jenkins - important to structure.
8. Betts - we now know how much we missed a quality small forward.
9. Douglas - we play well when he gets plenty of it.
10. Thompson - still a clearance king.

11. Laird
12. Hartigan
13. Lever
14. Brown
15. Lynch
16. M crouch
17. Cameron
18. Knight
19. Menzel
20. Jaensch
21. Ellis-Yolmen
22. Seedsman
23. Hampton
24. O'brien
25. Otten
26. van Berlo
27. Cheney
28. Atkins
29. Grigg
30. Lyons
31. Henderson
32. McGovern
33. Kelly
34. Lowden
35. Shaw
36. Mackay
37. Dear
38. Gore
39. Milera
40. Doedee
41. Wigg
42. Ramsay
43. Greenwood
44. Hunter
45. Keath
46. Beech

Consolidated Ranking
Based on votes so far:

Rank Player Ave
1 Jacobs 2.1
2 Walker 2.5
3 Talia 2.8
4 Sloane 4.0
5 Smith 4.4
6 Betts 6.3
7 B Crouch 6.4
8 Laird 8.6
9 Jenkins 8.8
10 Thompson 9.0
11 Douglas 9.5
12 Lynch 10.6
13 Lever 12.3
14= Hartigan 13.0
14= Brown 13.0
14= Cameron 13.0
17 Knight 17.0
18 M Crouch 18.3
19 Menzel 19.0
20 Jaensch 20.0
21 Seedman 20.3
22 Hampton 22.3
23 Ellis-Yolmen 24.3
24 Otten 24.7
25 Henderson 25.0
26 Lyons 27.0
27 Atkins 27.3
28= O'Brien 27.7
28= Cheney 27.7
30 van Berlo 28.0
31 Grigg 29.7
32 Mackay 31.7
33 Shaw 32.7
34 Gore 33.0
35 McGovern 33.7
36 Kelly 35.0
37 Lowden 35.3
38 Dear 37.0
39 Milera 37.7
40 Wigg 38.7
41 Doedee 39.7
42 Hunter 42.7
43 Ramsay 43.0
44 Beech 43.3
45= Keath 44.7
45= Greenwood 44.7

 

[Team DJ]

I haven't done this for a few years, but thought it would be good to start up again.

Rank the crows' squad in terms of importance to the team. Ie. Who could we least afford to lose. This is not a beat player ranking.

1. Talia - defence would be vulnerable.
2. Jacobs - lose dominance he gives.
3. Walker - key forwards & leadership hard to replace.
4. Sloane - now our best midfielder
5. B crouch - should become our best midfielder.
6. Smith - our most damaging kicking player.
7. Jenkins - important to structure.
8. Betts - we now know how much we missed a quality small forward.
9. Douglas - we play well when he gets plenty of it.
10. Thompson - still a clearance king.

11. Laird
12. Hartigan
13. Lever
14. Brown
15. Lynch
16. M crouch
17. Cameron
18. Knight
19. Menzel
20. Jaensch
22. Ellis-Yolmen
23. Seedsman
24. Hampton
25. O'brien
26. Otten
27. van Berlo
28. Cheney
29. Atkins
28. Grigg
29. Lyons
30. Henderson
31. McGovern
32. Kelly
33. Lowden
34. Shaw
35. Mackay
36. Dear
37. Gore
38. Milera
39. Doedee
40. Wigg
41. Ramsay
42. Greenwood
43. Keath
44. Beech

Lynch in the 10 and Crouch out for mine. Considering we didnt have him last year. I know we had Dangerfield, but not 1 game and 5th most important ahead of the likes of Smith and Betts is a bit extreme for me

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

1. Walker
2. Jacobs
3. Sloane
4. Smith
5. B Crouch
6. Betts
7. Talia

Hmmm... that's about it

Maybe 8. Lynch

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Lynch in the 10 and Crouch out for mine. Considering we didnt have him last year. I know we had Dangerfield, but not 1 game and 5th most important ahead of the likes of Smith and Betts is a bit extreme for me

Post your list.

Imo, b crouch is one of the most important players to the success of 2016. You need A grade midfielders to be successful.

I have dropped lynch's importance to the team as we now have menzel.

 

[dogs105]

Brown a bit higher for mine. Very important to shut down best small forward.

 

[Team DJ]

1.Jacobs
2. Talia
3. Walker -
4. Sloane -
5. Smith-
6. Betts
7. Thompson
8. Lynch
9. Jenkins
10. BCrouch
11. Laird
12. Douglas
13. Lever
14. Brown
15. Hartigan
16. Lever
17. Cameron
18. Knight
19. Menzel
20. Seedsman
22. Jaensch
23. Henderson
24. Hampton
25. McKay
26. Otten
27. MCrouch
28. Cheney
29. Atkins
28. Grigg
29. Lyons
30. Van Berlo
31. CEY
32. Kelly
33. OBrien
34. Shaw
35. Lowden
36. Dear
37. Gore
38. McGovern
39. Milera
40. Doedee
41. Wigg
42. Beech
43. Hunter
44. Ramsay
45. Keath
46. Greenwood

 

[I Lost My Keays]

Doedee

 

[Dean1]

I have dropped lynch's importance to the team as we now have menzel.

I would prefer to have Lynch over Menzel atm. Different types of players aswell

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I would prefer to have Lynch over Menzel atm. Different types of players aswell

Same - lynch is more important than menzel.

They are different in styles, but both can play as a 2nd key forward when jj is rucking or resting.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

1.Jacobs
2. Talia
3. Walker -
4. Sloane -
5. Smith-
6. Betts
7. Thompson
8. Lynch
9. Jenkins
10. BCrouch
11. Laird
12. Douglas
13. Lever
14. Brown
15. Hartigan
16. Lever
17. Cameron
18. Knight
19. Menzel
20. Seedsman
22. Jaensch
23. Henderson
24. Hampton
25. McKay
26. Otten
27. MCrouch
28. Cheney
29. Atkins
28. Grigg
29. Lyons
30. Van Berlo
31. CEY
32. Kelly
33. OBrien
34. Shaw
35. Lowden
36. Dear
37. Gore
38. McGovern
39. Milera
40. Doedee
41. Wigg
42. Beech
43. Hunter
44. Ramsay
45. Keath
46. Greenwood

Good effort - you have 2 levers & reminded me I missed Hunter.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Brown a bit higher for mine. Very important to shut down best small forward.

Did consider it.

Figured we have laird, vb & Kelly who could also shutdown a small forward if need be.

 

[Rotayjay]

I haven't done this for a few years, but thought it would be good to start up again.

Rank the crows' squad in terms of importance to the team. Ie. Who could we least afford to lose. This is not a beat player ranking.

1. Talia - defence would be vulnerable.
2. Jacobs - lose dominance he gives.
3. Walker - key forwards & leadership hard to replace.
4. Sloane - now our best midfielder
5. B crouch - should become our best midfielder.
6. Smith - our most damaging kicking player.
7. Jenkins - important to structure.
8. Betts - we now know how much we missed a quality small forward.
9. Douglas - we play well when he gets plenty of it.
10. Thompson - still a clearance king.

11. Laird
12. Hartigan
13. Lever
14. Brown
15. Lynch
16. M crouch
17. Cameron
18. Knight
19. Menzel
20. Jaensch
22. Ellis-Yolmen
23. Seedsman
24. Hampton
25. O'brien
26. Otten
27. van Berlo
28. Cheney
29. Atkins
28. Grigg
29. Lyons
30. Henderson
31. McGovern
32. Kelly
33. Lowden
34. Shaw
35. Mackay
36. Dear
37. Gore
38. Milera
39. Doedee
40. Wigg
41. Ramsay
42. Greenwood
43. Hunter
44. Keath
45. Beech

I pretty much agree with this list - especially the critical importance of Talia down back. If we had a stingy defence, an individual star backman wouldn't be at the top of the list, but we don't have a stingy defence.

Tex is rightly near the top - he was very, very sorely missed in 2013. The improvement of Jenkins and the acquisition of Betts don't diminish his enormous value.

Sloane and Brad Crouch should also be right up there. I'm in the camp that says the loss of Dangerfield will hurt, but Sloaney, a fit Brad and the others will minimise the hole.

 

[Scorpus]

Very High Importance (Key to the side):
Betts, Jacobs, Sloane, Walker, Talia, Smith, B. Crouch

High Importance (Comfortably best 22 players):
Thompson, Douglas, Brown, Jenkins, Lynch, Laird, Menzel, Cameron, M. Crouch, Lever

Medium Importance (Bottom 18-22 players):
Hartigan, Knight, Henderson, Hampton*, Seedsman*, Ellis-Yolmen, Jaensch

Low Importance (Primary backups):
Cheney, Milera*, O'Brien*, Atkins, Grigg, Gore*, Shaw

Very Low Importance (Secondary backups or emerging non-best 22 players):
Otten, Lyons, Kelly, Dear, Doedee*, McGovern, Hunter*, Ramsey, Wigg, Van Berlo

No Importance (SANFL-only players):
Mackay, Greenwood*, Lowden, Beech, Keath*

*Too early to say

 

[Vader]

Very High Importance (Key to the side):
Betts, Jacobs, Sloane, Walker, Talia, Smith, B. Crouch

High Importance (Comfortably best 22 players):
Thompson, Douglas, Brown, Jenkins, Lynch, Laird, Menzel, Cameron, M. Crouch, Lever

Medium Importance (Bottom 18-22 players):
Hartigan, Knight, Henderson, Hampton*, Seedsman*, Ellis-Yolmen, Jaensch

Low Importance (Primary backups):
Cheney, Milera*, O'Brien*, Atkins, Grigg, Gore*, Shaw

Very Low Importance (Secondary backups or emerging non-best 22 players):
Otten, Lyons, Kelly, Dear, Doedee*, McGovern, Hunter*, Ramsey, Wigg, Van Berlo

No Importance (SANFL-only players):
Mackay, Greenwood*, Lowden, Beech, Keath*

*Too early to say

Something seriously wrong here when VB, Lyons and Otten are rated lower than Cheney, Atkins, Grigg & Shaw.

Grigg should be in the last group. The others should be swapped - VB, Lyons, Otten to Low Importance; Atkins, Cheney, Shaw to Very Low Importance.

 

[40porpoise]

I think tex is clearly our most important player. Captain, power forward and spiritual leader.

Next up are sauce and Talia for obvious reasons. Key position players with no obvious replacement.

At the end of the day midfielders are a dime a dozen but you build teams around players like tex sauce and Talia

 

[Geoffa32]

Sauce and Tex.

But Sauce first.

When Sauce has a good game with his tapwork our mids dominate and we usually win. Thommo owed his Showdown medal this year to Sauce belting their Rucks. Sauce is also a very good linkman in the middle of the ground. Is always there for the bail out movement out of defence when our forwards are not in position or being covered. Is also a handy mark and kick for goal. He is top four in the AFL for Rucks amongst Sandi, Goldstein and NickNat. Also right now we have no decent backup AFL quality Ruckman.


Tex is important for every reason that everyone has said above. But I feel we can win if Tex is not playing. I fear for the the week we hear Jacobs can not play.

We won a Showdown with Talia getting injured. He too can be covered.

 

[Scorpus]

Something seriously wrong here when VB, Lyons and Otten are rated lower than Cheney, Atkins, Grigg & Shaw.

Grigg should be in the last group. The others should be swapped - VB, Lyons, Otten to Low Importance; Atkins, Cheney, Shaw to Very Low Importance.

The selectors think this way, but I do not

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

It's interesting that most can agree on our 3 most important players... Just no their order.

Really splitting hairs depending on your viewpoint.

 

[DD#23]

It's interesting that most can agree on our 3 most important players... Just no their order.

Really splitting hairs depending on your viewpoint.

I think you have to have Walker well in front of the other two, you might be splitting hairs if you ignore the fact he's captain but you have to take that into account.

 

[Tex200]

Interesting debate.

If most important = hardest to replace then it's a tie between Talia and Walker.

In terms of our barometer - if he's playing well we're playing well, I would go for Smith.

Last year in particular our fortunes seemed tied to his. He started in with dominant games v North and Coll before the concussion. When he went off that day our fortunes seemed to turn around right at that moment.

He started to regain form later in the year and we had a great run into finals - then the ankle v Geel set him (and us) back again.

The final was excellent but, having now seen the Hawks game, he seemed to send us on our way again with that kick in.

Just feels like when he is on so are we.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I think you have to have Walker well in front of the other two, you might be splitting hairs if you ignore the fact he's captain but you have to take that into account.

Again we disagree.

I rated walker the least if the 3 because imo we have an awesome forward line that could cope without him. Obviously wouldn't be as good, but still very dangerous. Our forward line is our strongest zone.

I think we are better placed than this time last year to cover Talia, with a solid season under the belt by hartigan & lever, along with Otten back from injury. But it would worry me if we had to rely on these guys to play on the gun forwards of the competition, particularly without Talia's leadership.

Losing Jacobs for say ROB would mean the midfield loses a dominant ruckman for a competitive one. Now we have lost one of our best ball-winners in Dangerfield, it's even more important we get good service from sauce.

 

[FR0GGY]

Tex for me, my interest level severely drops when he's not there

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Tex for me, my interest level severely drops when he's not there

That's for another thread... Rank the most watchable players.

 

[Elite Crow]

Couldn't be stuffed doing a a full list but my top 10 is:

1- Jacobs without him we have rookie rucks, who couldn't ruck the whole year on their own
2 - Tex, Captain, best forward and legend
3 - Talia, I think Hartigan could cover as the stopper defender but we have no one to replace Hartigan
4- Sloane, best mid
5- Smith, besides Tex best kick in the team and we need his run
6 - B Crouch now that Danger is gone is crucial to our team
7 - Betts, say no more
8 - Jenkins, dual position
9 - Lynch, plays a very important role
Drum roll and will be controversial.....
10 - Hartigan, purely as we don't have another key position defender on our list

 

[FR0GGY]

That's for another thread... Rank the most watchable players.

He's my most important player