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[Yoda_]

Re: National Draft / Rookie Draft Strategy (No Trade Talk)

There's a difference between "trying and failing" and "not trying".
Just putting it out there.

You can't force teams to trade.

LOL

This is exactly why I put up for trade the likes of Myers, Jetta and Houli.

Players that other clubs would look at considering, don't think any clubs would be lining up to take Welsh, Dyson, Lovett-Murray.

You don't think a club would of picked up a Myers and offered up a top 30 draft pick?

I know what I would think

 

[Yoda_]

Re: National Draft / Rookie Draft Strategy (No Trade Talk)

What im trying to say is that players with the ability to play other positions other than just midfield usually can break tags alot easier when they start attracting attention. Players such as Caddy, Heppell have this ability where as Atley ect who are seen as pure midfielders may suffer more under the tag. However players can develop this to a certain degree during there time at an AFL club.

I echo the thoughts of Take Caddy or Heppell if available. To me Heppell will be a pure midfielder with the ability to go forward or back. Goddard like. We shouldnt pass on this, just because he isnt a pure midfielder.

Ok, I see what you mean.

I should have said, I would like to see a "pure midfielder" cum forward, rather than a "defender cum midfielder" (like Heppell).

I am starting to sway my preferences, Caddy/Smith or Parker thanks

 

[Brent Prismall#9]

Re: National Draft / Rookie Draft Strategy (No Trade Talk)

Ok, I see what you mean.

I should have said, I would like to see a "pure midfielder" cum forward, rather than a "defender cum midfielder" (like Heppell).

I am starting to sway my preferences, Caddy/Smith or Parker thanks

No love for Atley? The blokes a gun and exactly what we need. There is also a very good chance he could slide to us.

 

[Yoda_]

Re: National Draft / Rookie Draft Strategy (No Trade Talk)

No love for Atley? The blokes a gun and exactly what we need. There is also a very good chance he could slide to us.

Fair point, just get the feeling he will be gone by pick 8

 

[BomberTime]

Re: National Draft / Rookie Draft Strategy (No Trade Talk)

I think its out of Atley or Caddy for us..i cant split them but if i had to choose it would be Atley.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Re: National Draft / Rookie Draft Strategy (No Trade Talk)

No love for Atley? The blokes a gun and exactly what we need. There is also a very good chance he could slide to us.

Will Brisbane or Richmond pass on him though? Seems a perfect fit for them as well.

 

[Dunn - Well Done]

Re: National Draft / Rookie Draft Strategy (No Trade Talk)

I dont know if i rate Atleys disposal or decision making. I certainly would be happy to still take him at 8 but only if Caddy is already gone

Its almost a guarantee that we will take a tall in our first 3 picks. Last year we took 2 genuine midfielders with our first 2 rounds and also had the success of Howlett who will be upgraded with our final pick.

Im hoping for Caddy (8), happy to take Batchelor at (30) or even more so hope he slips to (47). Parker would be a dream come true if he slips to (30), very doubtful. If Parker, Harper than i would like a good tall probably a ruck that has slipped or a red head in Green or Conca would be ideal.

 

[Brent Prismall#9]

Re: National Draft / Rookie Draft Strategy (No Trade Talk)

Fair point, just get the feeling he will be gone by pick 8

I'm curious to know, and this is hypothetically speaking, but if Atley was available along with Caddy, Smith, Parker and Prestia who would you take?

 

[Brent Prismall#9]

Re: National Draft / Rookie Draft Strategy (No Trade Talk)

I think its out of Atley or Caddy for us..i cant split them but if i had to choose it would be Atley.

So you can't split them but if you had to choose one you'd take Atley?? Sorry couldn't help myself

 

[yaco55]

Re: National Draft / Rookie Draft Strategy (No Trade Talk)

So you can't split them but if you had to choose one you'd take Atley?? Sorry couldn't help myself

Like your namesake - Can't make a decision

 

[Slattery_20]

Re: National Draft / Rookie Draft Strategy (No Trade Talk)

LOL

This is exactly why I put up for trade the likes of Myers, Jetta and Houli.

Players that other clubs would look at considering, don't think any clubs would be lining up to take Welsh, Dyson, Lovett-Murray.

You don't think a club would of picked up a Myers and offered up a top 30 draft pick?

I know what I would think

We're better off trading a guy we want to keep, than not trading a guy we don't really care about either way, just so we look like we're doing something?
Do you even realise how stupid that is?
So because Richmond couldn't get a trade for Thursfield, they "should" have tried to trade Foley or Connors?

 

[Brent Prismall#9]

Re: National Draft / Rookie Draft Strategy (No Trade Talk)

Like your namesake - Can't make a decision

LOL I'll give you that one

 

[Yoda_]

Re: National Draft / Rookie Draft Strategy (No Trade Talk)

We're better off trading a guy we want to keep, than not trading a guy we don't really care about either way, just so we look like we're doing something?
Do you even realise how stupid that is?
So because Richmond couldn't get a trade for Thursfield, they "should" have tried to trade Foley or Connors?

Slattery

I know we haven't seen eye to eye on this.

The guys I mentioned (Jetta, Houli, Myers) are all players who would have attracted some interest on the trade table. Myers in particular would have almost certainly got us a top 30 draft pick (something very handy in this years draft), whilst Jetta may have attracted something similar to that of Myers, whilst Houli was obviously 'over rated by other clubs.

The guys everyone else have been putting up (Dyson, Lovett - Murray, Welsh) are all older and would hardly be getting consistent walk up starts at other clubs. I would think that of all the players people have mentioned, Stanton would have offered up the most value and potentially a second - first round draft pick.

Would you be willing to put yourself in a lull for the next 2 years and then be "up" for the next 5 -6 years as the top line players we draft in start to mature and hit there prime.

But hey, everyone wants everything now, sadly, it's not going to happen..

 

[Yoda_]

Re: National Draft / Rookie Draft Strategy (No Trade Talk)

I'm curious to know, and this is hypothetically speaking, but if Atley was available along with Caddy, Smith, Parker and Prestia who would you take?

Who would you prefer?

1. Atley: Best available
2. Caddy: Exactly what we are looking for, goal kicking midfielder
3. Parker: All round package
4. Smith: Pack buster able to play down back
5. Prestia: Small powerful player (nothing to sig here Lance )


Of these guys you speak about, I would be thinking that we could 'potentially' pick up two of them as one of 2, 3 or 4 may slide (through to pick 30) or another highly rated midfielder.

I would think that Atley may be gone, whilst it is interesting to see how they rate Prestia and Parker (some have them sliding, some have them bolting).

Any ways, I would love to see Atley, could potentially play round 1, whilst Caddy, Parker or Smith could all potentially start round as a role player (forward/backmen).

Any ways, hope that answeres your questions?

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Re: National Draft / Rookie Draft Strategy (No Trade Talk)

Small package but something to work with.

sig worthy?

 

[Brent Prismall#9]

Re: National Draft / Rookie Draft Strategy (No Trade Talk)

Who would you prefer?

1. Atley: Best available
2. Caddy: Exactly what we are looking for, goal kicking midfielder
3. Parker: All round package
4. Smith: Pack buster able to play down back
5. Prestia: Small package but something to work with.


Of these guys you speak about, I would be thinking that we could 'potentially' pick up two of them as one of 2, 3 or 4 may slide (through to pick 30) or another highly rated midfielder.

I would think that Atley may be gone, whilst it is interesting to see how they rate Prestia and Parker (some have them sliding, some have them bolting).

Any ways, I would love to see Atley, could potentially play round 1, whilst Caddy, Parker or Smith could all potentially start round as a role player (forward/backmen).

Any ways, hope that answeres your questions?

Yep great answers thanks mate.

Personally if all were available I couldn't pass on Atley. Even though Caddy has the ability to go forward and kick goals I just think Atley's a gem and will be a great pick up, in saying that though I wouldn't be overly dissapointed if we got Caddy instead of Atley. In regards to Smith I've cooled on him as of late. I'd put him behind Atley and Caddy but infront of both Parker and Prestia.

I agree with you on Parker and Prestia possibly sliding, there's a serious chance we could get them with our second rounder so I'd hold out on using pick 8 on one of them. Although if Atley, Caddy and Smith were gone (which is highly doubtful) I'd take one of them with our first pick.

 

[Yoda_]

Re: National Draft / Rookie Draft Strategy (No Trade Talk)

I agree with you on Parker and Prestia possibly sliding, there's a serious chance we could get them with our second rounder so I'd hold out on using pick 8 on one of them. Although if Atley, Caddy and Smith were gone (which is highly doubtful) I'd take one of them with our first pick.

I have saiid for a few weeks but I can seriously see one of Prestia, Parker, Conca, Green, Hallahan sliding to our second pick.

Then again, we could potentially go for a ruckmen and select highly rated Tom Hickey or even Lycett (if he falls through to pick 30).

 

[Dunn - Well Done]

Re: National Draft / Rookie Draft Strategy (No Trade Talk)

I have saiid for a few weeks but I can seriously see one of Prestia, Parker, Conca, Green, Hallahan sliding to our second pick.

Then again, we could potentially go for a ruckmen and select highly rated Tom Hickey or even Lycett (if he falls through to pick 30).

Thats definitly the ideal situation.

Could also add in Young, Cripps, Crocker to that list for pick 30 as last options although i prefer your 5 well ahead of these players. Not to sure on Hallahan.

I wouldnt mind if we picked Gorringe with pick 8 now. We need quality rucks although Lycett isnt that far behind him IMO, both can play forward which is good. Every chance Hille could have an injury prone year or an off year and feel it is time to step aside after the year if the bombers have another poor season. Although i think its true that quality and depthy midfielders win flags more so than rucks.

 

[Yoda_]

Re: National Draft / Rookie Draft Strategy (No Trade Talk)

Thats definitly the ideal situation.

Could also add in Young, Cripps, Crocker to that list for pick 30 as last options although i prefer your 5 well ahead of these players. Not to sure on Hallahan.

I wouldnt mind if we picked Gorringe with pick 8 now. We need quality rucks although Lycett isnt that far behind him IMO, both can play forward which is good. Every chance Hille could have an injury prone year or an off year and feel it is time to step aside after the year if the bombers have another poor season. Although i think its true that quality and depthy midfielders win flags more so than rucks.

I asked Knightmare why he thought Hallahan was dropping so far down the pecking order, he said in a nutshell because he is ready to go round 1, 2011 and is more of an inside midfielder recruiters sometimes get put off by the amount of development left in the player or lack there of..

Hallahan was also in "the bunch" of midfielders rankes any where between 25 and 40 who could go any where in the draft..

I would love to see an Atley/Caddy - Parker/Hallahan duo, but seriously doubt it would happen.

 

[Slattery_20]

Re: National Draft / Rookie Draft Strategy (No Trade Talk)

The guys I mentioned (Jetta, Houli, Myers) are all players who would have attracted some interest on the trade table. Myers in particular would have almost certainly got us a top 30 draft pick (something very handy in this years draft), whilst Jetta may have attracted something similar to that of Myers, whilst Houli was obviously 'over rated by other clubs.

Houli( demonstrably) would not have got a top 30 pick. How you can possibly say he was 'over' rated I don't even know; the only club with the slightest sniff of interest was Richmond, and they didn't want to touch him with a top 30 pick.
Would seem, to me, to suggest he was rated even lower than we rated him.

Jetta and Myers are probably the only two midfielders who actually improved last year, they're two guys who fill the exact needs we want to be chasing, they're both (finally) physically up to it, and you'd trade them; just so we can take a chance on getting a kid with a similar talent level, who basically won't be ready for another 3 years.

I just

don't

get it.

 

[Yoda_]

Re: National Draft / Rookie Draft Strategy (No Trade Talk)

Houli( demonstrably) would not have got a top 30 pick. How you can possibly say he was 'over' rated I don't even know; the only club with the slightest sniff of interest was Richmond, and they didn't want to touch him with a top 30 pick.
Would seem, to me, to suggest he was rated even lower than we rated him.

Jetta and Myers are probably the only two midfielders who actually improved last year, they're two guys who fill the exact needs we want to be chasing, they're both (finally) physically up to it, and you'd trade them; just so we can take a chance on getting a kid with a similar talent level, who basically won't be ready for another 3 years.

I just

don't

get it.

The players I suggested are probably ones that may have attracted a top 30 pick (be it with a package deal), who would you suggest would be valued, if a top 30 pick was on the table?

As they say "hindsight is a wonderful thing", will wait and see how it pans out now.

 

[Kong]

Re: National Draft / Rookie Draft Strategy (No Trade Talk)

Houli( demonstrably) would not have got a top 30 pick. How you can possibly say he was 'over' rated I don't even know; the only club with the slightest sniff of interest was Richmond, and they didn't want to touch him with a top 30 pick.
Would seem, to me, to suggest he was rated even lower than we rated him.

Jetta and Myers are probably the only two midfielders who actually improved last year, they're two guys who fill the exact needs we want to be chasing, they're both (finally) physically up to it, and you'd trade them; just so we can take a chance on getting a kid with a similar talent level, who basically won't be ready for another 3 years.

I just

don't

get it.

 

[yodellinhank]

Re: National Draft / Rookie Draft Strategy (No Trade Talk)

Houli( demonstrably) would not have got a top 30 pick. How you can possibly say he was 'over' rated I don't even know; the only club with the slightest sniff of interest was Richmond, and they didn't want to touch him with a top 30 pick.
Would seem, to me, to suggest he was rated even lower than we rated him.

As far as the pick 30 goes, we would have thrown them 47, so it would've been essentially giving up a second rounder (they obviously rate the talent available at this selection) for Houli and a third rounder. Given the amount of delistings over at the tigers I would've thought a player plus a pick would suit them; essentially getting two players for one. So its safe to say they rated him way below 30.

It always amuses me that a club can pump up a bloke's tyres, then basically not even offer a trade; and the player never turns around and says "Hang on, what do they really think of me?".

 

[yaco55]

Re: National Draft / Rookie Draft Strategy (No Trade Talk)

As far as the pick 30 goes, we would have thrown them 47, so it would've been essentially giving up a second rounder (they obviously rate the talent available at this selection) for Houli and a third rounder. Given the amount of delistings over at the tigers I would've thought a player plus a pick would suit them; essentially getting two players for one. So its safe to say they rated him way below 30.

It always amuses me that a club can pump up a bloke's tyres, then basically not even offer a trade; and the player never turns around and says "Hang on, what do they really think of me?".

And it never surprises me that supporters/clubs dont rate a player and expect to get a valuable draft pick.

 

[Lotch]

Re: National Draft / Rookie Draft Strategy (No Trade Talk)

Article on the AFL website - doesn't really give any new insight
Link

Countdown to D-Day
By staff reporters 8:00 AM Sat 16 Oct, 2010

Oakleigh Chargers midfielder Andrew Gaff will be hot property in the NAB AFL Draft

ESSENDON
NAB AFL Draft selections: 8, 30, 47, 64, 81
Delistings and retirements: Christian Bock*, Jason Laycock, Tyson Slattery, Michael Still, John Williams*
Additions: Nil
Approach: A quick, skilful midfielder is top priority - one who can also do his share of the dirty work would be especially welcome. Jobe Watson has too often been left to carry the burden alone, although Ben Howlett, who will be elevated from the rookie list, showed promise. Another ruckman wouldn't go astray either.
Dream selection: Midfielders Andrew Gaff and Dyson Heppell would top the list, but they are likely to be gone. Shaun Atley, a speedy and hard-at-it prospect from Murray Bushrangers, appears to tick most of the boxes.

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