Naitanui, Kreuzer, Clark or Ryder?

[mediumsizered]

Hampson is not an option in this poll.

You don't know how much time Ryder spends on the ground. Kreuzer spends time in the forward line while Hampson rucks, which probably elevates his goal kicking stats. It's all checks and balances.

Kreuzer has spent very little time in the forward line this season, certainly less time than he did last year. When Hampson is in the ruck you will find that Kreuzer is mostly sitting on the bench & vice versa.

 

[Hodgepodge]

Kreuzer has spent very little time in the forward line this season, certainly less time than he did last year. When Hampson is in the ruck you will find that Kreuzer is mostly sitting on the bench & vice versa.

He does spend time a bit of time in the forward line though, and he's had about 13 scoring shots and a few out of bounds on the full.

Without these stints, which you claim rob him of hitouts, he wouldn't be scoring the goals.

I don't have the stats for the average game time of each player.

 

[Knight Ryders]

And that is why Ryder wins more hitouts & exactly why I highlighted the fact that in the Carlton/Brisbane game, despite Clark winning 33 hitouts, Carlton still finished the game with more hitouts (Brennan was credited with 1 hitout for the game). Basically you are underrating Kreuzer's value because he has the benefit of sharing the ruckwork with Hampson.

For mine I would rather have 2 young ruckman gaining experience, while not being run into the ground, instead of having one of them 'flogged' by their workload which ultimately will diminish their value. As an example, Melbourne finished ahead on hitouts last night, with Johnson outjumping Ryder (& Johnson only had Stefan Martin providing back up) & this comes after Ryder was absolutely smashed by the Adelaide rucks in the previous game.

Ryder's stats will continue to exceed Kreuzer's, because he is going to continue to spend 90%+ T.O.G, while Kreuzer & Hampson share our ruckwork, with ultimately their combined stats being superior to those of Ryder. The stats you quote unfortunately for you are a perfect example of how stats need to be fully analysed before you truly understand what they mean. It is clear from the stats you are relying on that Ryder's margin over Kreuzer is a lot less than you would expect for someone who has significantly more T.O.G.

I don't think Knights would like playing Ryder as much on the ground as he is atm, but he doesn't really have many other options. Ryder probably did end up getting beaten by the Adelaide ruckmen and got worn down by the bigger Johnson, but he showed his worth in the first quarter of both of these matches where he was probably the dominant player on the ground. When I look at his potential, that is what I'm judging him on.

 

[Godzke]

I don't know if Ryder will end up being better than Naitanui, tough call, but I reckon he'll be better than Kreuzer and most definitely be better than Mitch Clark.

 

[Nicko_]

Kreuzer has spent very little time in the forward line this season, certainly less time than he did last year. When Hampson is in the ruck you will find that Kreuzer is mostly sitting on the bench & vice versa.

and while you have an extra ruck sitting on the bench, Essendon has an extra midfield rotation to run out the game.

 

[Tomorrows_Nobody]

Ryder 16 disposals at 81% effeciency (5 kicks, 11 handballs), 3 marks (1 contested speccy) 5 tackles, 3 clearances, no clangers, 94 SC points.

Kreuzer 12 disposals at 67% efficiency (6 kicks, 6 hanballs), 4 marks (1 contested) 2 tackles, 1 clearance, 2 clangers, 57 SC points.

The stats actually don't do justice to Ryder's influence.

 

[Tomorrows_Nobody]

Credit to Hampson, I thought he played better than Kreuzer.
The man is a UNIT!

 

[lamaros]

Ryder 16 disposals at 81% effeciency (5 kicks, 11 handballs), 3 marks (1 contested speccy) 5 tackles, 3 clearances, no clangers, 94 SC points.

Kreuzer 12 disposals at 67% efficiency (6 kicks, 6 hanballs), 4 marks (1 contested) 2 tackles, 1 clearance, 2 clangers, 57 SC points.

The stats actually don't do justice to Ryder's influence.

Hitouts

Ryder: 30
Kreuzer: 17

 

[Tomorrows_Nobody]

Oops, forgot the hitouts stat.
It's hard to concentrate with one hand down my pants.

 

[Hodgepodge]

Oops, forgot the hitouts stat.
It's hard to concentrate with one hand down my pants.

Goals too. Ryder 1, Kreuzer 0.

 

[Burzum]

Did you enjoy the bath Ryder gave Kreuzer, mediumsizered?

Or are you going to come back when Kreuzer beats someone and display some more bullshit stats as to why he's better?

 

[Forrest Gimp]

I wouldn't swap Nat for anyone.

 

[Gibbs_09]

Wowzers at NicNat tonight... WCE have seriously unearthed something freaky here.

 

[Brazen]

Wowzers at NicNat tonight... WCE have seriously unearthed something freaky here.

changing your vote?

 

[didaka]

My god Naitanui. I'm in love.

 

[Hodgepodge]

Naitanui looks like the best of the lot. I'd like to see him go in the ruck against Ryder, should be an interesting duel.

The good thing about NN is that he's not a skinny kid, he's fairly filled out already, so we will probably see him play well for the rest of the season.

 

[Claude Balls]

Some fanboy rang up SEN on Friday morning, re the Kruezer - Ryder debate, and stated firmly and earnestly that Kreuzer was the superior player. The lads on SEN asked him who he barracked for, and when he replied that he barracked for the Blues, they laughed at him. It was rather amusing.

Ryder is clearly a more effective ruckman at this point.

 

[Dangas]

Nic over all of them

 

[Cassius_Clay]

All 3 well before Mr. 3 kicks a game NicNat.

 

[Hodgepodge]

All 3 well before Mr. 3 kicks a game NicNat.

He has lots of upside.

He won't get any more athletic you wouldn't think . . . but he should become a smarter player and his fitness will improve.

 

[Forrest Gimp]

All 3 well before Mr. 3 kicks a game NicNat.

Nice stat. How about the fact that those kicks and they way he got them won his side the match in his 2nd game? I bet you would speak differently of him if he had done that in black and white.

 

[pacemaker]

You would have to say the best tap ruckman would be Niki-nat. 202cm (still growing) + 101cm leap. who is going to beat that???? certainly not josh fraser Cassius_Clay hahaha around the ground wount be as dominate. He will go by his tactics to fly over the top at boundary throw ins, but clubs will become aware of this and just find away for him not to do so.

 

[The J Dog]

Some fanboy rang up SEN on Friday morning, re the Kruezer - Ryder debate, and stated firmly and earnestly that Kreuzer was the superior player. The lads on SEN asked him who he barracked for, and when he replied that he barracked for the Blues, they laughed at him. It was rather amusing.

Ryder is clearly a more effective ruckman at this point.

Clark is miles in front this year, but I expect he'll become a mobile CHF in the future.

Ryder has been good, and Nic is going to be great, but I'd take Kruezer over them all.

 

[SunKing]

It's become clear that Clark is the best of this lot. In AA form and has dominated Ryder and Kreuzer this year. Nicnat could be a gun or a massive dud who knows.

At this point very happy with Clark.

Of the others Kreuzer > Ryder

Nicnat??

 

[Dalzielling]

Naitanui - if only because I don't think, over time, the other 3 will end up rucking full-time.