Toast Nathan van Berlo bows out

[1970crow]

He's contracted and not cheaply from what I've heard.

The AFL's tax on footy dept overspend makes it difficult to pay out a contract and move people on. Paying out a $250k contract would end up costing over $400k. Say Pyke wanted Campo out of his coaching group, you'd assume that he'd be replaced by someone on similar coin and that we're already spending to the soft cap, so we'd need to find about $700k to either pay Campo out or move him sideways. AFL us effectively forcing clubs to keep staff that they might want to move away from.

 

[CrowCro]

It's really unfortunate. The club mishandled him horribly after that achilles injury. He looked totally lost at the top level in 2015 but they kept playing him anyway. Then when he should have retired, he spent his final season playing mostly in the reserves. Not a dignified exit for a former club captain.

He can run but he can't play. His understanding of the game is average and I'm against average players becoming coaches

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

He can run but he can't play. His understanding of the game is average and I'm against average players becoming coaches

Why do you say VB's understanding of the game is average?

Do you think he was made captain with an average understanding of the game?!

The most elite players don't necessarily make the best coaches... but those who get the most out of their abilities are more likely to.

 

[Elite Crow]

Why do you say VB's understanding of the game is average?

Do you think he was made captain with an average understanding of the game?!

The most elite players don't necessarily make the best coaches... but those who get the most out of their abilities are more likely to.

I watched VB playing the 7th defender role against Norwood. He did lots of yelling and pointing but failed to know how to play such a basic role and had no impact on the game.

 

[Southerntakeover]

The VBelievers have again found something to hitch their wagon to. Good for you, must have been a toughish year with him finally being held accountable for the quality of his on-field performance.

Nice avoidance strategy.

Anything of substance to offer?

 

[Ramify]

Why do you say VB's understanding of the game is average?

Do you think he was made captain with an average understanding of the game?!

The most elite players don't necessarily make the best coaches... but those who get the most out of their abilities are more likely to.

I doubt he was made Captain because he had displayed a higher understanding of the game.

Id say he was made Captain because he is a good communicator, great example at training and is very well liked.

I wouldnt call VB and inspired choice as captain.

 

[Southerntakeover]

VB would be suited to the role I'm sure. But why us? Why out of 18 clubs in the league did he pick the same club that he has spent the previous decade at?

A coincidence? A convenience?

What do you say the role entails?

 

[Southerntakeover]

Way to miss the point. I didn't say it was a good or bad appointment, my question was based on him complaining that without knowing people were saying it was bad, well that equally applies to those saying it is a good appointment.

But it's good to see you have his back even in retirement.

Everything that you've posted so far suggests that you have formed a concluded view.

Can I take your failure to respond as an indicator that this concluded view was formed in the absence of any real idea what the role entails?

 

[Elite Crow]

Everything that you've posted so far suggests that you have formed a concluded view.

Can I take your failure to respond as an indicator that this concluded view was formed in the absence of any real idea what the role entails?

My view is that as a club we love to promote from within and it would have been a good idea to add some intel from other clubs. First Thompson and now VB is one player too many. Personally I think VB is more suited to the role given his leadership qualities.

But it brings me back to my initial post, someone can't complain about posters being negative about the appointment and yet be positive about it, when clearly from the outside none of us really know, which was his point.

Am I right in assuming you are happy VB is sticking around?

 

[Southerntakeover]

My view is that as a club we love to promote from within and it would have been a good idea to add some intel from other clubs. First Thompson and now VB is one player too many. Personally I think VB is more suited to the role given his leadership qualities.

But it brings me back to my initial post, someone can't complain about posters being negative about the appointment and yet positive about it, when clearly from the outside none of us really know, which was his point.

Am I right in assuming you are happy VB is sticking around?

I actually have no particular view one way or another at this point. I don't really understand what the role involves, which is why I've asked in this thread on a number of occasions. I think it would be equally foolish to form a concluded view that this was a brilliant move.

In the middle of course, I think a number of people have expressed it's nice to see the guy stick around our club. I don't think that's any more than an expression of sentimentality.

In terms of whether it's a good appointment or not:

I can think of hypothetical roles that it would make sense to get a recently departed former player to fill, particular if those roles were about extending the understanding of a system that the senior player has played in to younger players.

I can think of roles I wouldnt want a recently departed former player to fill particularly- roles to do with the development of strategy for instance.

I don't know which this is, but it appears neither do any of the people that have formed concluded views and expressed their opposition. I think that's intellectually lazy.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

He can run but he can't play. His understanding of the game is average and I'm against average players becoming coaches

Not sure I agree with this. Alistair Clarkson never set the world alight as a player.

I'm weary of the VB coaching appointment as well but only because hiring ex-Adelaide people as coaches has yet to provide us with any real results. I've been frustrated by the nepotism.

I wouldn't mind having a guy like VB helping out in a fitness and conditioning sort of context. This was his major strength. I'm not sure I'd be keen on him taking over major coaching roles though.

 

[FantasticShirt]

If this is the case, then surely he'd be sacked?

Because underperforming staff are always sacked?

Maybe he's doing exactly enough to say he's fulfilling his role. But when you consider how much he's on, he should be doing a lot more.

Who were the media sources? I heard it here from TMS (whom i believe ), but haven't heard it elsewhere.

I know some people in the media via work and they've told me. It's been widely talked about, it is Adelaide after all. Just like Kane Cornes applying for the MFS was known before he even announced his retirement. These things tend to get out.

TMS has also mentioned it and I think Ive seen at least one other trusted poster make reference to it. It's legit concern.

 

[Pugsley]

We recruited O'Keefe under the COCA.

 

[Ozzie]

I love this football forum it is, pure comedy at its best.

Take this thread, for example, we are complaining about ROK being bought in from another club then bag VB because he never went to another club to coach.

Goody has a HC job which is great. Hart has just been sacked and Rutten is new still.

Keep it up, I enjoy the good work.

 

[Elite Crow]

I love this football forum it is, pure comedy at its best.

Take this thread, for example, we are complaining about ROK being bought in from another club then bag VB because he never went to another club to coach.

Goody has a HC job which is great. Hart has just been sacked and Rutten is new still.

Keep it up, I enjoy the good work.

Considering you very rarely contribute anything of note perhaps hold back a little

 

[1970crow]

Nice avoidance strategy.

Anything of substance to offer?

What was I avoiding, no question was posed to me. I've already offerred my thoughts. Have you got anything to offer other than "VB's da greatest". That poster of him adorning club HQ just isn't big enough.

 

[1970crow]

I love this football forum it is, pure comedy at its best.

Take this thread, for example, we are complaining about ROK being bought in from another club then bag VB because he never went to another club to coach.

Goody has a HC job which is great. Hart has just been sacked and Rutten is new still.

Keep it up, I enjoy the good work.

Who's complained about ROK coming from another club? Seem to be a few complaints about his dedication to his job, nothing about where he came from though. What's the relevance with Hart being sacked to posters desire to bring in different ideas from other systems.

 

[1970crow]

Considering you very rarely contribute anything of note perhaps hold back a little

Does he do anything but make out he's a superior being because he doesn't think the club has ever made a mistake. Really never posts anything but criticism of other posters.

 

[fabs33]

In isolation I think this appointment looks good, VB has always come across (to me at least) as someone who possessed all the professionalism and training habits that you'd want to impart on individuals fresh out of the draft. That said, it's a little concerning that we're recruiting so much from our own stable of former players, and I'm currently wondering how much of this is due to our culture and how much is due to difficulties getting prospective coaches to relocate out of Melbourne where the majority would come from. And if it's the latter, should it be brought to the AFL's attention in respect to the off field spending cap?

 

[MRB37]

In isolation I think this appointment looks good, VB has always come across (to me at least) as someone who possessed all the professionalism and training habits that you'd want to impart on individuals fresh out of the draft. That said, it's a little concerning that we're recruiting so much from our own stable of former players, and I'm currently wondering how much of this is due to our culture and how much is due to difficulties getting prospective coaches to relocate out of Melbourne where the majority would come from. And if it's the latter, should it be brought to the AFL's attention in respect to the off field spending cap?

The AFL wouldn't give two shits and the Vic clubs would bitch and moan like they do with the COLA.

 

[Golumless]

I'm ok with this. If VB was becoming a line coach with us, i'd be a bit pissed as it's obvious we need external ideas there but i read development coach as keep an eye on the younger players, and help with preparation etc. I can't see it being a position you want to go external for as it's really the bottom rung of AFL coaching.

 

[MRB37]

I'm ok with this. If VB was becoming a line coach with us, i'd be a bit pissed as it's obvious we need external ideas there but i read development coach as keep an eye on the younger players, and help with preparation etc. I can't see it being a position you want to go external for really as it's really the bottom rung of AFL coaching.

There's probably a reason the majority of our SANFL/development coaches bar O'Keefe came from the SANFL.

 

[Ozzie]

Who's complained about ROK coming from another club? Seem to be a few complaints about his dedication to his job, nothing about where he came from though. What's the relevance with Hart being sacked to posters desire to bring in different ideas from other systems.

Carry on Matty, you are just a grumpy old man.

 

[cmndstab]

I don't agree with the negativity on this one. Seems like a good decision. He already has a relationship with most of the players he'll work with and it's clearly an introductory role to start his coaching career. He has been super highly regarded in terms of his ability to relate to and motivate his teammates, and is still fresh out of the game. Seems like a win-win to me.

 

[DD#23]

Would be happy to read your detailed analysis of the requirements and responsibilities of the role, and the suitability or not of vB for it.

well what do we want to develop in our young players? Diligent training habits? VB come on down!

if we want to develop natural talent, excellent skills, ability to cope with pressure, strategic understanding of ones role in the team and ultimately winning habits, well, perhaps he's read a book about it.

now I have a lot of respect for VB and what he's actually achieved, but lets all be honest with ourselves and admit that apart from being appointed captain its not a long list. Now if you need a development coach (and you have to ask, do we? Who left? Were we one short all year?) and you're going to hire someone with no experience it wouldn't hurt if they either had a great playing resume or were at least coming from a different environment.

so let me ask you this, what does VB - brand new in a coaching role and having spent his entire professional playing career at our club - have to offer the rest of our development coaching group? Then given whatever he does have to offer, why if he is serious about coaching would he not have secured a position at another club, where he would be able to offer them new information while undoubtedly learning a great deal himself working in a brand new environment?

hmm, feels like a cushy appointment to me.