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[WaynesWorld19]

Has this been confirmed by the Edwards family?

They will never admit their disappointment at being overlooked .....although ADEL has not said they wouldn't Draft Luke, simply that they won't take him where the club may expect him to be selected by another club

 

[BronCrow]

It’s a bit of a shame. If we don’t rate him at our ND picks and don’t have a rookie spot for him, then it’s best for both parties. However, with the way past players have been expressing their feel of the club and the sh*t show that has been the past couple of years, it would have been nice to have a good feels story for a change.

The breakdown of the relationship over the years between Tyson and the club is a shame. Guys who have done as much for us on the field shouldn't feel the way that Tyson does. Ditto Andrew McLeod

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in this regard.

 

[Dangerousfield]

This is a lesson for the upcoming draft where half the pool hasn't played this year.

Immediately after last years draft, Twomey and Knightmare did a list of the potential top 20 players for 2020 draft. Edwards featured on both lists!

That shows how highly rated U17s can drop off the radar and conversely how kids not on the radar at U17 can bolt up the order. No Vic kid has had that opportunity this year so some Vic high draftees will be busts and low/non draftees gems.

A dangerous draft, better to take players with exposed 2020 form.

 

[DJ75]

I find this whole issue a bit baffling. Has Edwards really fallen from a top 20 pick to a player that even the bottom team doesn't want with a free hit??

Is our list that good (despite the last place finish) that we can't find a spot for him and maybe Newchurch? How is this possible??

 

[dplggr47]

They will never admit their disappointment at being overlooked .....although ADEL has not said they wouldn't Draft Luke, simply that they won't take him where the club may expect him to be selected by another club

That makes more sense. If Luke has genuine interest in the later rounds from other clubs, nominating him would only get everyone's false hopes up that Crows would match, which they wouldn't. Then you'd get the angry fans who'd blame the club.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

This is a lesson for the upcoming draft where half the pool hasn't played this year.

Immediately after last years draft, Twomey and Knightmare did a list of the potential top 20 players for 2020 draft. Edwards featured on both lists!

That shows how highly rated U17s can drop off the radar and conversely how kids not on the radar at U17 can bolt up the order. No Vic kid has had that opportunity this year so some Vic high draftees will be busts and low/non draftees gems.

A dangerous draft, better to take players with exposed 2020 form.

Which is why I'm bemused by predictions of a strong 2021 Draft, when the U17's from the major state (vic) haven't even played this year

 

[WeeBlake]

Happy with how we’ve played this

 

[Thetrader15]

Basically we're concentrating on the top 25 of the draft, don't have him rated that highly, so aren't in the position to guarantee to take him and want him to have the chance to get drafted elsewhere.

I'm still not sure how us nominating him has any impact on his ability to get into a list.

If nothing else, surely it improves his chance as he is then guaranteed a rookie spot.

All it says is we don't want him on the list even as a rookie which would appear strange considering where he is projected to go in the draft.

 

[huludicidal]

I'm still not sure how us nominating him has any impact on his ability to get into a list.

If nothing else, surely it improves his chance as he is then guaranteed a rookie spot.

All it says is we don't want him on the list even as a rookie which would appear strange considering where he is projected to go in the draft.

Many other clubs can’t be arsed wasting their time interviewing Edwards repeatedly, scouring over game vision, and subsequently bidding at say pick 30-60 if they know we are going to match the bid.

This is why many father/son and academy players over time have slipped far lower down the draft order than they otherwise might have.

This definitely improves Luke’s chances of getting on a senior list.

 

[GrommoT]

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All it says is we don't want him on the list even as a rookie which would appear strange considering where he is projected to go in the draft.

We've just said we wont take him as a father-son. Should it happen that we manage to trade up pick 9 (or get 2021 picks) and it wipes out most of our existing picks, we could still draft Luke late or as a rookie if he's still available.

Unlikely perhaps, but sure would be interesting.

 

[GameofSloanes]

So is he just not that good?
Or did Mackay take his spot?
And what's with this Rowey rumour that we won't even match for Newchurch? Isn't he supposed to be good?

 

[MRB37]

It’s a bit of a shame. If we don’t rate him at our ND picks and don’t have a rookie spot for him, then it’s best for both parties. However, with the way past players have been expressing their feel of the club and the sh*t show that has been the past couple of years, it would have been nice to have a good feels story for a change.

We've done the good news story with Jackson Edwards and Ben Jarman. Can't please 100% of the people 100% of the time and we shouldnt be betraying our draft talent list to keep former players happy (which is what we did with the previous two mentioned).

 

[Gets!]

Has this been confirmed by the Edwards family?

Nope, people have literally made this up and ran with it.

 

[BunjiMac]

Perhaps he doesn't fit Nicks need for speed and versatility?

Speed seems to be a real focus for Nicks, which really excites me actually.

 

[Mutineer]

Perhaps he doesn't fit Nicks need for speed and versatility?

Speed seems to be a real focus for Nicks, which really excites me actually.

Speed might come into that discussion.

Versatility not so much, Edwards hasn't looked out of place when he's gone into the midfield mix or even the limited times he's played forward.


The games still up on the SANFL website for anyone interested along with the U17 Future Stars game.
I went back and watched the SANFL ALL Stars game and Luke was certainly one of if not the best player for Team Hurn.

NAB AFL All-Stars Match Replay - SANFL

sanfl.com.au

 

[huludicidal]

So is he just not that good?
Or did Mackay take his spot?
And what's with this Rowey rumour that we won't even match for Newchurch? Isn't he supposed to be good?

Firstly, neither of Edwards or Newchurch are considered top 30 talents in this draft pool. This is universally accepted. You can make an argument that they may not be top 40 in many recruiters’ eyes.

Secondly, Rowey is a moron who knows nothing about how any of this works, so you’re doing a disservice to yourself by listening to him. It’s not as simple as “we won’t match a bid for Newchurch”, and frankly, nobody with any knowledge of the situation thinks it is that simple. It depends if and when the bid actually comes, how many draft selections we’ve already made at that point, and how many SENIOR list spots we decide to fill for 2021.

We currently have 31 senior listed players. We know for a fact that we are taking Hately in the PSD which brings that number to 32. We are allowed to end up with anywhere between 36 and 38 on the senior list when it’s all said and done. Conventional wisdom suggests that number will almost definitely be 36 or 37, and NOT 38.

In addition to the senior list, we currently have 3 players on the Category A rookie list (Butts, Strachan, Keays). This number can end up anywhere between 4 (if we go in with the full 38 on the senior list - we won’t) and 6 (if we go in with 36 on the senior list - we’ll almost definitely go in with 36 or 37). Now, importantly, Newchurch and Borlase would automatically go onto the Cat B rookie list if no other club bids on them during the National Draft, which frees up another list spot. This is possible in the case of Newchurch. Not likely in the case of Borlase.

It is blatantly obvious that we’ll either be trading up or down in this draft, whether that’s between now and the draft, or on draft night.

Personally, I think we’ll only end up using 3 picks in the top 25. Whether that means we package up 9 and 22
to move up, or 22 and 23 to move up, or maybe it means trading out one of those picks for a 2021 pick.

This would mean we’d leave our options open later in the draft in terms of being able to potentially match bids on BOTH of Borlase and Newchurch if they come. If we get right to the end of the draft and a bid hasn’t eventuated for one of them (Newchurch), we can pull the trigger on a slider and chuck Tariek on the Cat B list.

To put it another way: If someone bids on Newchurch at Pick 25 and we’ve already made 4 selections, guess what, we aren’t matching and nor should we. If someone bids at pick 50 and we’ve only made 3 selections to this point, guess what, it’s a no brainer match.


As for the notion that Mackay took Edwards’ spot - that’s utter nonsense. We made a conscious decision prior to the delistings of Poholke, Gallucci and Crocker on how many guys we are going to draft this year. This Edwards decision simply means that we’ve decided we can get x amount of players in the draft who are better than Edwards.

Dont forget, Mackay being on the list for one more year means that he comes off the list at the end of 2021 - this frees up an extra draft pick in next year’s draft, which we otherwise wouldn’t be using if we delisted Mackay now and were subsequently taking Edwards or a different late pick on a 2 year deal this year. Give me a fringe 2021 superdraft option over a fringe 2020 magical mystery draft option any day thanks.

 

[Tex Danger]

I guess the interesting thing will be- is he drafted before we are finished taking players.

if not it confirms our decision that we simply didn’t rate him within our picks. If he picked and we still have a pick we do use after, some will argue we missed out on a free hit and/or misjudged the draft and/or highlight conspiracy theories about therelationship

 

[BrissyCrow]

Can't read the article due to the paywall.

Would be interested to know if this decision has been made purely on ability, or on whether the club had decided they had enough of waiting for Luke, and by
extension Tyson, to decide whether he wanted to nominate as a father-son.

Sorry you couldnt read it.

I think there is more to it than we know but your comment about having had enough of the Edwards committing to the club is interesting as Lukes manage, Dougherty, said that he appreciated the Crows making a decision and advising the Edwards....now Luke can go out and do whatever he wants.

For me it just seems a pity that we cant have a great working relationship with our past greats. Edwards and Macca and I feel there was a period of time where Modra was also out of the picture. What is it with our club.

 

[Crow Envy]

Firstly, neither of Edwards or Newchurch are considered top 30 talents in this draft pool. This is universally accepted. You can make an argument that they may not be top 40 in many recruiters’ eyes.

Secondly, Rowey is a moron who knows nothing about how any of this works, so you’re doing a disservice to yourself by listening to him. It’s not as simple as “we won’t match a bid for Newchurch”, and frankly, nobody with any knowledge of the situation thinks it is that simple. It depends if and when the bid actually comes, how many draft selections we’ve already made at that point, and how many SENIOR list spots we decide to fill for 2021.

We currently have 31 senior listed players. We know for a fact that we are taking Hately in the PSD which brings that number to 32. We are allowed to end up with anywhere between 36 and 38 on the senior list when it’s all said and done. Conventional wisdom suggests that number will almost definitely be 36 or 37, and NOT 38.

In addition to the senior list, we currently have 3 players on the Category A rookie list (Butts, Strachan, Keays). This number can end up anywhere between 4 (if we go in with the full 38 on the senior list - we won’t) and 6 (if we go in with 36 on the senior list - we’ll almost definitely go in with 36 or 37). Now, importantly, Newchurch and Borlase would automatically go onto the Cat B rookie list if no other club bids on them during the National Draft, which frees up another list spot. This is possible in the case of Newchurch. Not likely in the case of Borlase.

It is blatantly obvious that we’ll either be trading up or down in this draft, whether that’s between now and the draft, or on draft night.

Personally, I think we’ll only end up using 3 picks in the top 25. Whether that means we package up 9 and 22
to move up, or 22 and 23 to move up, or maybe it means trading out one of those picks for a 2021 pick.

This would mean we’d leave our options open later in the draft in terms of being able to potentially match bids on BOTH of Borlase and Newchurch if they come. If we get right to the end of the draft and a bid hasn’t eventuated for one of them (Newchurch), we can pull the trigger on a slider and chuck Tariek on the Cat B list.

To put it another way: If someone bids on Newchurch at Pick 25 and we’ve already made 4 selections, guess what, we aren’t matching and nor should we. If someone bids at pick 50 and we’ve only made 3 selections to this point, guess what, it’s a no brainer match.


As for the notion that Mackay took Edwards’ spot - that’s utter nonsense. We made a conscious decision prior to the delistings of Poholke, Gallucci and Crocker on how many guys we are going to draft this year. This Edwards decision simply means that we’ve decided we can get x amount of players in the draft who are better than Edwards.

Dont forget, Mackay being on the list for one more year means that he comes off the list at the end of 2021 - this frees up an extra draft pick in next year’s draft, which we otherwise wouldn’t be using if we delisted Mackay now and were subsequently taking Edwards or a different late pick on a 2 year deal this year. Give me a fringe 2021 superdraft option over a fringe 2020 magical mystery draft option any day thanks.

Don’t we have to nominate Newchurch to have matching rights?

Also that excuse for keeping Mackay was used last year as well.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

I find this whole issue a bit baffling. Has Edwards really fallen from a top 20 pick to a player that even the bottom team doesn't want with a free hit??

Is our list that good (despite the last place finish) that we can't find a spot for him and maybe Newchurch? How is this possible??

I wonder if we hadn't taken Jackson whether we'd now be taking Luke? Has history complicated things?

 

[SaltPeter]

Don’t we have to nominate Newchurch to have matching rights?

Yes .. and Borlase, by Wednesday next week

 

[huludicidal]

Don’t we have to nominate Newchurch to have matching rights?

Well technically yes, and it’s a given that we will.

 

[BronCrow]

Sorry you couldnt read it.

I think there is more to it than we know but your comment about having had enough of the Edwards committing to the club is interesting as Lukes manage, Dougherty, said that he appreciated the Crows making a decision and advising the Edwards....now Luke can go out and do whatever he wants.

For me it just seems a pity that we cant have a great working relationship with our past greats. Edwards and Macca and I feel there was a period of time where Modra was also out of the picture. What is it with our club.

Not your fault it was behind a paywall.

I had a feeling there was more to it than meets the eye as well. Just a hunch really.

The problem with those relationship breakdowns with those former great players must start and end with the people that run the club, who appear to act as though it a right and not a privilege to be on the board of the Adelaide Football Club. Those same people are also not willing to take any sort of constructive criticism about the club from these former great players, who have done so much more than any of those people, with the exception of Roo, who, due to his media work and all his mates in the media telling how good he is, has become a megalomaniac.

 

[BunjiMac]

Speed might come into that discussion.

Versatility not so much, Edwards hasn't looked out of place when he's gone into the midfield mix or even the limited times he's played forward.


The games still up on the SANFL website for anyone interested along with the U17 Future Stars game.
I went back and watched the SANFL ALL Stars game and Luke was certainly one of if not the best player for Team Hurn.

NAB AFL All-Stars Match Replay - SANFL

sanfl.com.au

What type of midfielder does he play like?

Perhaps he is not the type of midfielder we are looking for?

 

[SaltPeter]

Well technically yes, and it’s a given that we will.

I think they do