Mega Thread Nick Daicos - Can he be the GTWEB? Part 2

[Fadge]

I think this clearly trump our judgements given our shocking memories.

Not to mention bias....

 

[Mynamesinuse]

No doubt that stats can't accurately measure football impact yet, but when you're claiming someone is "a huge threat" forward due to their aerial game - you'd expect to see more than 4 contested marks in a year.

Well it showed he can kick goals in all manners of play.
Probably only ever had that one opportunity to take a grab like that forward too

 

[Mynamesinuse]

You'd probably want to see them average more than 0.27 goals per game if you're praising them as a 'forward threat'.

Will improve that now he will play mid.

 

[Mynamesinuse]

They tell an awful lot more then your judgements. Even straight after a game we probably only remember about 5 percent of the actual game. The next day probably less then 1 percent.

Stats do simplify by grouping differential plays up into various equivalent subsets. I agree this is an imperfection with stats. But stats remember 100 percent of the game. I think this clearly trump our judgements given our shocking memories.

The issue is there are tackles and then there are tackles that count as a stat.
The same with contested ball the matrix of this is terrible.

 

[sr36]

You'd probably want to see them average more than 0.27 goals per game if you're praising them as a 'forward threat'.

With that one brilliant mark and goal probably being the only goal he's kicked whilst playing ahead of the ball - as he's barely ever played ahead of the ball at AFL level.

At the moment, he's a brilliant silky outside runner. I hope he does add a genuine inside game and can go forward and regularly take marks like that - but at the moment it's a one off.

 

[RUNVS]

Collingwood fans with Daicos are similar to MAGA with Trump. Got so many rose coloured glasses on they will never ever accept the truth no matter how many times they are told. It is basically pointless arguing with them

 

[Fadge]

Collingwood fans with Daicos are similar to MAGA with Trump. Got so many rose coloured glasses on they will never ever accept the truth no matter how many times they are told. It is basically pointless arguing with them

And what is 'the truth' in relation to Nick Daicos?

 

[Corn Cobbers]

Collingwood fans with Daicos are similar to MAGA with Trump. Got so many rose coloured glasses on they will never ever accept the truth no matter how many times they are told. It is basically pointless arguing with them

Can't argue with THIS truth:

 

[Mynamesinuse]

Can't argue with THIS truth:

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But you can when it’s premiership odds
Now we get it

 

[RUNVS]

And what is 'the truth' in relation to Nick Daicos?

That he isn't the greatest of all time, no where close, he is not the greatest of the 21st century and he isn't even the greatest player playing right now.

 

[Fadge]

But you can when it’s premiership odds
Now we get it

Huh?

 

[Fadge]

That he isn't the greatest of all time, no where close, he is not the greatest of the 21st century and he isn't even the greatest player playing right now.

Who has said he IS the greatest of all time?

Who has said he's the greatest of the 21st Century?

If he's 'not even the greatest player right now', where does he rank according to your truth?

 

[Fadge]

Can't argue with THIS truth:

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'Yeah, but that's just bookies taking money off of mug gamblers!'

 

[Mynamesinuse]

Who has said he IS the greatest of all time?

Who has said he's the greatest of the 21st Century?

If he's 'not even the greatest player right now', where does he rank according to your truth?

He’s in the mix but it’s

Bont

Then there’s a group he’s in

 

[Fadge]

He’s in the mix but it’s

Bont

Then there’s a group he’s in

You would think the best player in the comp would have been better than Daicos on season output in at least one of the past three seasons....

Who is the 'group' he's on a par with after Bont?

 

[Mynamesinuse]

You would think the best player in the comp would have been better than Daicos on season output in at least one of the past three seasons....

Who is the 'grouo' he's on a par with after Bont?

How many one on one contests you reckon Daicos would win against Bont?

Bont is the best and even Dangers best is still better.

Heeney Rozee Butters NWM Dawson Holmes Smith Ashcroft McCluggage Anderson Rowell Callaghan

Then blokes like Gawn Andrew’s Jeremy Cameron Toby Green Sam Taylor are in the argument

 

[Cdog71]

A nice stat to start 2026....View attachment 2503701

That’s a lot better reading than his stats in the last quarter of the pre-lim final.

 

[Corn Cobbers]

How many one on one contests you reckon Daicos would win against Bont?

Bont is the best and even Dangers best is still better.

Heeney Rozee Butters NWM Dawson Holmes Smith Ashcroft McCluggage Anderson Rowell Callaghan

Then blokes like Gawn Andrew’s Jeremy Cameron Toby Green Sam Taylor are in the argument

Why aren't any of those guys $5 clear outright Brownlow favourite like Daics? Too many star teammates taking votes off them?

 

[sr36]

How many one on one contests you reckon Daicos would win against Bont?

If it's a stationary contest where the ball comes straight to them - not many. But if it requires moving to the ball - a far more common occurrence - a lot.

 

[Mynamesinuse]

If it's a stationary contest where the ball comes straight to them - not many. But if it requires moving to the ball - a far more common occurrence - a lot.

In the air?

 

[Mynamesinuse]

Why aren't any of those guys $5 clear outright Brownlow favourite like Daics? Too many star teammates taking votes off them?

Different roles
Different teams
Different clubs

 

[sr36]

In the air?

If Nick and Bont played on each other every week for a year, they might have a one out aerial contest against each other. I doubt we'll see it though.

 

[Cdog71]

Why aren't any of those guys $5 clear outright Brownlow favourite like Daics? Too many star teammates taking votes off them?

Say…if it was a Preliminary final and the Bulldogs were down by 2 and a half goals coming into the last quarter for a place in the Grand Final.
What would the odds be of Bont playing the entire quarter and not getting a touch?

Like Daicos

 

[Mynamesinuse]

If Nick and Bont played on each other every week for a year, they might have a one out aerial contest against each other. I doubt we'll see it though.

Why?
Surely if the Bont was on Daicos he’d drag him forward

 

[sr36]

Why?
Surely if the Bont was on Daicos he’d drag him forward

Heeney rather than Bont is the one you should be talking about, but if they shift ahead of the ball a defender rolls onto them. Who is dumb enough to keep their star attacking 182cm mid one out in the back pocket against Bont Petracca or Heeney? Likewise if Nick went forward with space around him, which he started to do a fair bit this year, as if you'd use Bont, Heeney or Petracca to guard him.