Mega Thread Nick Daicos - Can he be the GTWEB? Part 2

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Here is some data from the last three years, based on results of the three major individual awards, All-Australian representation and finals performances.

Naturally, if you're in the best performed few in the competition, you'll likely be awarded with an All-Australian guernsey, though there is one exception - Lachie Neale in 2023.

I have limited the dataset below to midfielders, given the nature of the voting - it is difficult to quantify the performances of Rucks, Forwards and Backs using this data. I have listed 23 players, and expect the likes of Greene and Curnow in 2023, Hogan in 2024 and J. Cameron in 2025 would fit in nicely amongst the bottom third of this list. Harris Andrews is probably a defender who wouldn't look out of place in this list as well, in addition to Max Gawn.

Anyways, here is the list:

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We can see the clear Number 1 player since 2023 is Nick Daicos, with 3 of the top 8 performances based on season output. I have his 2023 marginally ahead of Heeney's 2024 based on one played in a premiership and the other didn't, but could understand if some had Heeney's 2024 ahead.

It's probably no surprise to see the Bont as the second most consistently elite player in the competition across that time, but Caleb Serong may come as a surprise to some rounding out the podium in third place, as the only other player in this list to have all three of his seasons amongst the very best in the competition.

Hey Mynamesinuse - any comments on the 'competition's best player matrix' that has been provided?

 

[Mynamesinuse]

Hey Mynamesinuse - any comments on the 'competition's best player matrix' that has been provided?

Numbers show NWM was equal if not better in 2025

 

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Numbers show NWM was equal if not better in 2025

I probably should have pointed out...

The lower the number in my matrix, the better the performance was.

Unless you'd like to share any 'performance matrix' that has NWM ahead of Daicos in 2025?

 

[Mynamesinuse]

I probably should have pointed out...

The lower the number in my matrix, the better the performance was.

Unless you'd like to share any 'performance matrix' that has NWM ahead of Daicos in 2025?

Id say using the stats you rely on compare both.

 

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Id say using the stats you rely on compare both.

So they stats are:
Players MVP - Daicos 1 > NWM 3
Coaches Award - Daicos 4 > NWM 8
Brownlow - Daicos 2 > NWM 9
Finals - Daicos amongst Pies best > No finals for NWM
AA - Both selected.

Please help me how NWM is superior?

Or is it a case of all the other elite players in St. Kilda's midfield taking votes off NWM?

 

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Or is it a case of all the other elite players in St. Kilda's midfield taking votes off NWM?

Are the Saints another club with a mint, vote-grabbing midfield but shite defence?

 

[Mynamesinuse]

So they stats are:
Players MVP - Daicos 1 > NWM 3
Coaches Award - Daicos 4 > NWM 8
Brownlow - Daicos 2 > NWM 9
Finals - Daicos amongst Pies best > No finals for NWM
AA - Both selected.

Please help me how NWM is superior?

Or is it a case of all the other elite players in St. Kilda's midfield taking votes off NWM?

Sounds about right for a team that didn’t win as many games as the other.
What about areas like meters gained and stats in general.
Surely if the gap is that big the stats can’t be basically the same.

 

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Sounds about right for a team that didn’t win as many games as the other.

Yep. If Daicos didn't play as well as he did, Collingwood would have won fewer games and he would have not have finished as high as he did in the Brownlow, Players MVP and Coaches Award!

Funny how that works!

What about areas like meters gained and stats in general.
Surely if the gap is that big the stats can’t be basically the same.

Let's see your STaTZ, that have NWM superior to Daicos, remembering Daicos received an infinite amount more opposition attention, given he's the better player in a stronger team....

 

[Mynamesinuse]

Yep. If Daicos didn't play as well as he did, Collingwood would have won fewer games and he would have not have finished as high as he did in the Brownlow, Players MVP and Coaches Award!

Funny how that works!

Let's see your STaTZ, that have NWM superior to Daicos, remembering Daicos received an infinite amount more opposition attention, given he's the better player in a stronger team....

Go to footywire compare stats.

StKilda tougher injury run and younger building group.

 

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Go to footywire compare stats.

StKilda tougher injury run and younger building group.

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So what handicap does Daicos have to give NWM is this year's awards, or are they at level weights because the Pies are about to fall off a cliff and St. Kilda have been touted as the big improvers?

 

[Mynamesinuse]

FooTYWiRe

So what handicap does Daicos have to give NWM is this year's awards, or are they at level weights because the Pies are about to fall off a cliff and St. Kilda have been touted as the big improvers?

I take it you don’t like the stats comparison.

Seems on the clear best player in your views stats aren’t better in all areas and only slightly better in others.

 

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I take it you don’t like the stats comparison.

Seems on the clear best player in your views stats aren’t better in all areas and only slightly better in others.

You asked me to share my 'Performance Matrix', and I have. And it supports my assertion that Daicos is the undisputed best player in the game over the last 3 seasons.

Now you share your 'Performance Matrix' that has NWM superior to Daicos in 2025...

Go.

 

[Mynamesinuse]

You asked me to share my 'Performance Matrix', and I have. And it supports my assertion that Daicos is the undisputed best player in the game over the last 3 seasons.

Now you share your 'Performance Matrix' that has NWM superior to Daicos in 2025...

Go.

Footywire stats.

 

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I would take Rowell over Daicos every day of the week.

 

[Mynamesinuse]

I would take Rowell over Daicos every day of the week.

Or Anderson Rozee Butters

 

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I would take Rowell over Daicos every day of the week.

I'm sure you would.

It doesn't mean Rowell has outperformed Daicos on season output in any of the past three seasons.

Because he hasn't.

 

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Or Anderson Rozee Butters

Yep. Keep growing that list!

Another 3 players who have been unable to outperform Daicos in any of the last three seasons.

I love this game!

 

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I'm sure you would.

It doesn't mean Rowell has outperformed Daicos on season output in any of the past three seasons.

Because he hasn't.

Stating your opinion as fact.

The Brownlow is a shit award but Rowell had a tougher time than Daicos with it because Rowell had a lot of other midfield guns who could steal votes from him. Daicos basically had no one at Collingwood to do that.

Plus Gold Coast won fewer games, and it is harder to get votes when your team loses.

 

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I would take Rowell over Daicos every day of the week.

Ahead of any of the Sydney mids also I'm guessing?

 

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Stating your opinion as fact.

The Brownlow is a shit award but Rowell had a tougher time than Daicos with it because Rowell had a lot of other midfield guns who could steal votes from him. Daicos basically had no one at Collingwood to do that.

Plus Gold Coast won fewer games, and it is harder to get votes when your team loses.

There we go again!

Rowell yet another player who plays in a team that wins fewer games than Collingwood/Daicos despite having better players stealing votes off him!

Did I say I love this game?

 

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The bloke who doesn't believe in stats wants a matrix to measure who is the best player in the AFL ...

Haha you don't need stats to know he's 1 or 2, depending on what you're after.

Or Anderson Rozee Butters

Anderson yes, no ****ing way for the rest of them..

 

[Robroy22]

Stating your opinion as fact.

The Brownlow is a shit award but Rowell had a tougher time than Daicos with it because Rowell had a lot of other midfield guns who could steal votes from him. Daicos basically had no one at Collingwood to do that.

Plus Gold Coast won fewer games, and it is harder to get votes when your team loses.

He's not proving anything, neither is anyone else in here, its a "urine voiding" competition and unfortunately Nick Daicos's name is attached to it.

I suggest you lot take your "disingenuousness" towards each other outside and aim at the nearest fence....and mind not to splash your feet....or anyone else's.

 

[Mynamesinuse]

Yep. Keep growing that list!

Another 3 players who have been unable to outperform Daicos in any of the last three seasons.

I love this game!

You compared 2025 stars yet?

 

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You compared 2025 stars yet?

2025?

The third consecutive year that Daicos has finished top 4 in every individual home and away award on offer?

That 2025?

 

[Mynamesinuse]

2025?

The third consecutive year that Daicos has finished top 4 in every individual home and away award on offer?

That 2025?

Have you compared stats yet?
I’m asking as I’m assuming Daicos is miles ahead if what you saying is correct.