Nick Daicos

[Seedsfan]

So what? The statement was made about his 2nd year, I just threw another 2nd year player into the mix.

Nick has had all the advantages of modern pathways and coaching / mentoring.

Diesel was rejected but Carlton twice and went back to bush leagues.

But everyone Nick plays against has had those same benefits

 

[Apex36]

I played in back to back flags as a player, if that's what you're referring to? Not sure what my amateur career 15 years ago has to do with this topic though??

Flags from under 10’s don’t count.

 

[Ginnieboy]

To be honest, I'm not seeing many people trying to shoot him down at all.

Most acknowledge he's really good and playing really well.

There are a some though that don't seem to directly correlate a player's possession count with their ability and/or impact as a player. And they're absolutely correct.

You’re sure having a crack though, you’ve potted him in almost every post you’ve made.

 

[Ginnieboy]

So what? The statement was made about his 2nd year, I just threw another 2nd year player into the mix.

Nick has had all the advantages of modern pathways and coaching / mentoring.

Diesel was rejected but Carlton twice and went back to bush leagues.

Yeah I was responding to a Greg Williams question, are you suggesting Nick isn’t the youngest player to ever debut VFL/AFL? If so you just blew my socks off, I never knew that.

And you never threw a second player into the mix.

 

[Trav 20]

Metres Gained is up there with the most pointless and useless stat there is.

When CD brought it in it was to measure the impact of outside players, i.e. wingmen.

For rucks, inside mids, or key position players I agree that it's irrelevant.

It's a very positional stat.

 

[Ginnieboy]

Flags from under 10’s don’t count.

Would’ve been Auskick and his dad kept score.

 

[TheEscapeClub]

But everyone Nick plays against has had those same benefits

....and?

I'm not knocking Daicos, I've just introduced another 2nd year player to the conversation for comparison after another poster said they'd never seen anything like it from a 2nd year player.

Stop being so fragile and defensive.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

You’re sure having a crack though, you’ve potted him in almost every post you’ve made.

Have I?

Have you actually read my posts?

 

[Danw0w]

Remember when people tried to tell you JHF was better lol

He will be. Daicos has been given a license to play freely off half back, whereas JHF has been trained as an on baller and he will need to develop for a few years before he peaks.

 

[Seedsfan]

....and?

I'm not knocking Daicos, I've just introduced another 2nd year player to the conversation for comparison after another poster said they'd never seen anything like it from a 2nd year player.

Stop being so fragile and defensive.

It’s just a flawed argument that he has an advantage due to modern coaching as he can only play against his peers as could Williams

 

[TheEscapeClub]

Yeah I was responding to a Greg Williams question, are you suggesting Nick isn’t the youngest player to ever debut VFL/AFL? If so you just blew my socks off, I never knew that.

And you never threw a second player into the mix.

I'm the one that threw Greg Williams in.

I remember watching Tim Watson debuting as a 15 year old in 1977.

 

[Ginnieboy]

Have I?

Have you actually read my posts?

Yep every single one in this thread, point one out to me where you haven’t had a crack if you like.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

When CD brought it in it was to measure the impact of outside players, i.e. wingmen.

For rucks, inside mids, or key position players I agree that it's irrelevant.

It's a very positional stat.

In isolation, it means **** all.

Would you rather a Bailey Smith 55m high, long bomb to a contest up the line, or a Pendlebury 30m 45 degree kick into the corridor?

One gets double the 'metres gained', but is totally worthless to the team. Almost a liability.

Without context, that stat is just garbage.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

Flags from under 10’s don’t count.

I don't see how anything I did as a player counts.


And for the record, we lost the under 10s granny. Tragedy.

 

[Ginnieboy]

I'm the one that threw Greg Williams in.

I remember watching Tim Watson debuting as a 15 year old in 1977.

I thought Tim was 14

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

Yep every single one in this thread, point one out to me where you haven’t had a crack if you like.

I thought I'd been clear that I think he's a good player.

Not sure what you've been reading.

 

[Ginnieboy]

I thought I'd been clear that I think he's a good player.

Not sure what you've been reading.

Yeah “he’s a good player but” blah blah blah.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

Yeah “he’s a good player but” blah blah blah.

??

Have you actually read the 'blah blah' bits?

 

[Reg Grundy35]

He will be. Daicos has been given a license to play freely off half back, whereas JHF has been trained as an on baller and he will need to develop for a few years before he peaks.

Nick has peaked after 30 games eh?

 

[TheEscapeClub]

It’s just a flawed argument that he has an advantage due to modern coaching as he can only play against his peers as could Williams

Modern coaching and pathways.

He's been groomed for it his whole life, with his old man and all of the doors / advantages / access that provides. He still has to have the talent and do the work and have the drive to make it happen.

Williams had none of that yet became one of the greatest footballers the game has seen.

 

[Reg Grundy35]

I thought I'd been clear that I think he's a good player.

Not sure what you've been reading.

with infinite qualifications. As a GC supporter got to cut you some slack. You've really only seen one player as good as this and he pocketed your cash and went back home.

 

[TheEscapeClub]

I thought Tim was 14

15.

Ron James the late Western Bulldogs player was 14 when Terry Wheeler debuted him in a VFA grand final with Williamstown.

 

[Seedsfan]

Modern coaching and pathways.

He's been groomed for it his whole life, with his old man and all of the doors / advantages / access that provides. He still has to have the talent and do the work and have the drive to make it happen.

Williams had none of that yet became one of the greatest footballers the game has seen.

And nobody that Williams played against had the access to modern coaching and pathways. Yet everyone Nick plays against has. That’s why your logic is so flawed

 

[Ginnieboy]

??

Have you actually read the 'blah blah' bits?

Ok Mr “possessions don’t matter” dual premiership Auskick star.

 

[Ginnieboy]

Modern coaching and pathways.

He's been groomed for it his whole life, with his old man and all of the doors / advantages / access that provides. He still has to have the talent and do the work and have the drive to make it happen.

Williams had none of that yet became one of the greatest footballers the game has seen.

That’s Greg’s problem.