Patrick Dangerfield - potential GOAT?

[Seeds]

Then please explain exactly how a Grand Final is easier to win than a Preliminary Final. Please share your thoughts on the small matter of twice as many teams win Preliminary Finals compared to Grand Finals. How exactly is that the case given you think Preliminary Finals are harder to win?

Saying grand finals are easier to win then prelims is just dumb. The statistical probability of win vs losses, once you make them, is the same, except your opponent is likely to be that little bit better in the grand final on average then the prelim.

 

[Forward Press]

The prelim final last night confirmed my opinion that Dangerfield is better than Martin overall.

 

[Wojcinski]

Then please explain exactly how a Grand Final is easier to win than a Preliminary Final. Please share your thoughts on the small matter of twice as many teams win Preliminary Finals compared to Grand Finals. How exactly is that the case given you think Preliminary Finals are harder to win?

take it up with the AFL players and coaches mate

 

[mchal4]

Patrick ClangerField hacks the ball forward without looking, probably his main weakness

 

[Mr Meow]

Patrick ClangerField hacks the ball forward without looking, probably his main weakness

He's still had 60 goals/goal assists this season and 600+ over his career, so clearly he accidentally does well with a lot of them.

 

[iameviljez]

take it up with the AFL players and coaches mate

I think your quote might be a bit incorrect, to be fair.

 

[Faz 2000]

Patrick ClangerField hacks the ball forward without looking, probably his main weakness

Incredible insight.

Let’s also assess his strengths, shall we?

High top speed
Incredible acceleration
Elite power
Brutal contested work
Good overhead
Goal scoring
Goal assists
Metres gained, tilts the field for his team
Leadership
Cat-like agility
Hits like a train
Fitness and endurance
Longevity
Appetite to win
Long, powerful leg (albeit inaccurate)
Chases and applies pressure
Makes tackles, breaks tackles

I’m sick of the haters. He’s an all time great. Tore a prelim apart in his 359th game, or at a point I his career that 99.7% of AFL players never even reach. The pointy end of elite. What more do you need to see to respect?

 

[DearJai]

I think they say more so that it's the real banana skin game.

Definitely agree. Plenty slip up in that game, when they looked to have the GF in the bag.

I don't know anyone that judges teams on prelims versus flags they win, which seems to be that guy's point.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Incredible insight.

Let’s also assess his strengths, shall we?

High top speed
Incredible acceleration
Elite power
Brutal contested work
Good overhead
Goal scoring
Goal assists
Metres gained, titles the field
Leadership
Cat-like agility
Hits like a train
Fitness and endurance
Longevity
Appetite to win
Long, powerful leg (albeit inaccurate)
Chases and applies pressure

I’m sick of the haters. He’s an all time great. Tore a prelim apart in his 359th game, or at a point I his career that 99.7% of AFL players never even reach. The pointy end of elite. What more do you need to see to respect?

Seeing less of him is what I would respect.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Did Pendles cost his team a crack at another premiership? How selfish of him to play with a niggle. This bloke has been cooked for a while but he left Collingwood without the option to bring on a sub late in the game. Clearly going for individual accolades over team achievements.

Always thought he was overrated. A slow, one dimensional inside mid with no tricks besides “slowing down time with the ball”, which is essentially a made up skill manufactured by the commentary box.

Never won a Brownlow despite being under the umpire’s noses and playing for a club that the umpires favour on a weekly basis, so don’t consider him one of the premier midfielders of the past twenty years. Couldn’t achieve what Matty Priddis did and now he has tainted one of the most overrated careers in the history of the club.

Scott Pendlebury - the great overrated (and now extremely selfish) plodder.

The only player ever who wasn't a specialist defender to play 30+ finals without kicking 10 goals. Harmless type.

 

[Mr Meow]

Seeing less of him is what I would respect.

It must kill you seeing him dominate finals at 32 and 34-35 years old - when Dusty stopped dominating games of significance before he hit 30.

Like I have always told you, Martin's seasons since hitting 30 (2021-2024) were nothing special. He had an outstanding 4 year period that preceded it, then stalled. He shouldn't have been given games in 2024. Before he hit 33 years old, he was completely cooked.

Dangerfield's equivalent seasons (2020-2025) have involved stacks of dominant performances and big game highlights. A top 3 player for a side making prelims, grand finals and winning a premiership in those 6 years. The difference maker in a prelim aged 35.

 

[Freomaniac]

His legacy grows further after tonight. Arguably the best performance of his career, aged 35 years old when the Cats were about to be overwhelmed in a prelim.

Similar reason why I like David Mundy and Brent Boomer Harvey.

David Mundy made it to over 350 games.

Boomer Harvey made to 430 games. I wished North Melbourne gave him one more season. He would of made it to 450.

Dangerfield is on 359 or 360 games. Surely he can try and make it to 400 games.

If cats win the flag, he might do what Selwood did in the 2022 grand final and go out on top with another medal

 

[Freomaniac]

It must kill you seeing him dominate finals at 32 and 34-35 years old - when Dusty stopped dominating games of significance before he hit 30.

Like I have always told you, Martin's seasons since hitting 30 (2021-2024) were nothing special. He had an outstanding 4 year period that preceded it, then stalled. He shouldn't have been given games in 2024. Before he hit 33 years old, he was completely cooked.

Dangerfield's equivalent seasons (2020-2025) have involved stacks of dominant performances and big game highlights. A top 3 player for a side making prelims, grand finals and winning a premiership in those 6 years. The difference maker in a prelim aged 35.

Good points. Richmond fans will always say Dangerfield fell short of a flag between 2017 to 2020 partially because of Dustin Martin .

Again.... I wouldn't have had any issues on Dangerfield retiring in 2022 as a 32 year old after getting that elusive premiership medal.

He took a risk playing on after the 2022 flag. Could of declined or had injuries or both.

 

[soafraid]

Patrick ClangerField hacks the ball forward without looking, probably his main weakness

Pretty good game from paddy clangers I must admit. Didn't think he still had that sort of game in him. Interested to see how he pulls up for the gf, he was a battering ram on Friday

 

[Matthew Jelley]

Hacks it straight to team mates or through the big sticks
I get it is his weakness compared with other attributes for sure but it's overstated due to high a standard everything else is

Patrick ClangerField hacks the ball forward without looking, probably his main weakness

 

[Lingsface]

Rumor has it that Patty will win the half time sprint and Norm Smith this year.

 

[bigfarter]

Patrick ClangerField hacks the ball forward without looking, probably his main weakness

You would likely give your left nut to do anything in life as well as “Clangerfield” kicks a footy.

 

[Former Decathlete]

Has to be too 10 OAT

 

[My Tilly]

Has be too 10 OAT

So many wonderful players over the years.
Would you pick prime Dangerfield or McLeod heading into a grand final?

Daicos Sr, Voss, Williams, Franklin, Matera, Quinlan, Flower and that's before we start getting to the likes of Carey, Ablett, Matthews, Nicholls, Bartlett, Reynolds, Whitten, Lockett, Hird etc.

 

[iameviljez]

I think the more pertinent question is probably whether he is the best player since GAJ.

That’s insane, when you consider that Ablett Sr was, along with Lockett, the best in that generation between Lethal and Carey.

*subjective of course

 

[iameviljez]

So many wonderful players over the years.
Would you pick prime Dangerfield or McLeod heading into a grand final?

Impossible to know, partially because Prime Dangerfield never played in one.

 

[My Tilly]

Impossible to know, partially because Prime Dangerfield never played in one.

I agree but we are talking some seriously great footballer's here.
Guys who played in an era where they were targeted behind the play and still delivered on a regular basis.

Dangerfield is now one of the best players of his generation.

Only Bontempelli has a chance of surpassing Dangerfield as he enters 30+ years of age and likely to feature in a lot of finals at the backend of his career.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

It's not Fyfe's fault, but I feel like he went past Fyfe last night - simply on the back of longevity, and finals performances (knowing of course that Fyfe didn't get as good a crack at finals).

Fyfe had the best peak years (80 to 100 game stretch), dusty best single season and danger has longevity imo

 

[Forward Press]

Impossible to know, partially because Prime Dangerfield never played in one.

Given how he played on Friday night are you sure he's no longer in his prime? If Harley Reid played like that the entire West Coast fanbase would have a collective orgasm, yet Dangerfield at 35 years old willed the team over the line in a big final almost singlehandedly.

 

[iameviljez]

Given how he played on Friday night are you sure he's no longer in his prime? If Harley Reid played like that the entire West Coast fanbase would have a collective orgasm, yet Dangerfield at 35 years old willed the team over the line in a big final almost singlehandedly.

Yeah, I am. He used to do that every week in 2016-17.