Player Watch Pick #57 (2023) - Will Lorenz

[HHHAMMERtime]

Defensive efforts are lacking apparently.

Not from what I’ve seen from him at all.

 

[The Hobo]

This is such a cop out, efforts are higher than some in the afl side

True - but can't be on a wing at AFL level with suspect defensive effort. Good teams will make you pay.

(Having said that, Mead plays on a wing, and whilst he puts in a tonne of defensive effort, the output is not really there)

I suspect it's more a setting standards from an effort perspective rather than an actual output perspective. It's around getting more out of Lorenz, rather than rewarding him now. Let's not forget, he has played a few games - so it's not as if Ken has written him off completely.

 

[PJ Power]

True - but can't be on a wing at AFL level with suspect defensive effort. Good teams will make you pay.

(Having said that, Mead plays on a wing, and whilst he puts in a tonne of defensive effort, the output is not really there)

I suspect it's more a setting standards from an effort perspective rather than an actual output perspective. It's around getting more out of Lorenz, rather than rewarding him now. Let's not forget, he has played a few games - so it's not as if Ken has written him off completely.

Mead's so-called defensive efforts are overrated and amount to precious little. He is one of the least reliable tacklers in our team - he too often fails to pin the arms, and often gets brushed aside. He is a serial coraller who doesn't close in on opponents tightly enough to prevent them from disposing cleanly of the ball. He doesn't have the pace to chase or hunt down opponents.

 

[NoddyHolder]

Let's not forget, he has played a few games - so it's not as if Ken has written him off completely.

He's played 1 game and 2 quarters. In the one full game he played I thought he was a bit of a shining light in a woeful team effort. He certainly looked to me like he deserved to hold his spot ahead of the serial under performers who don't appear to be held to the same high standards. The evidence suggests that Ken probably has written him off completely.

I'd rather see him given a proper run of games to make a judgement on whether he's worth keeping on the list at the end of the year.
Or we could keep pumping games into young Boaky in the hope he might finally tidy up his disposals

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Mead's so-called defensive efforts are overrated and amount to precious little. He is one of the least reliable tacklers in our team - he too often fails to pin the arms, and often gets brushed aside. He is a serial coraller who doesn't close in on opponents tightly enough to prevent them from disposing cleanly of the ball. He doesn't have the pace to chase or hunt down opponents.

Your swordsmanship is amateur at best, your so called Kung Fu is really quite pathetic.

 

[PJ Power]

The other admirable quality of Lorenz is the way he has fronted up, week after week, for a dismal Magpies outfit. If he had been surrounded by other good midfielders in that team, I think his SANFL form would have been even more compelling. Thought he looked excellent last week combining with Liddy and Watkins.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

What Mead needs PJ Power is to sit in front of hours of video of Kym Kinnear to see how a seemingly undersized wingman can dominate an opponent.

Of course Ken would have no idea who Kym Kinnear is and Mead wouldn't have his intensity and barely restrained anger.

 

[Portology]

What Mead needs PJ Power is to sit in front of hours of video of Kym Kinnear to see how a seemingly undersized wingman can dominate an opponent.

Of course Ken would have no idea who Kym Kinnear is and Mead wouldn't have his intensity and barely restrained anger.

Telling that Mead isn't actually undersized, but does play like it - any tackling that actually lands just tends to be not very impactful. Peter Burgoyne/Robbie Gray height & weight for goodness sake. Kym Kinnear was undersized for his day and didn't have to be a bloody physics professor to know what centre of gravity was.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Telling that Mead isn't actually undersized, but does play like it - any tackling that actually lands just tends to be not very impactful. Peter Burgoyne/Robbie Gray height & weight for goodness sake. Kym Kinnear was undersized for his day and didn't have to be a bloody physics professor to know what centre of gravity was.

It's weird isn't it? I see he is listed at 184cm, I would have said he was 178cm.

 

[philthy05]

Mead's so-called defensive efforts are overrated and amount to precious little. He is one of the least reliable tacklers in our team - he too often fails to pin the arms, and often gets brushed aside. He is a serial coraller who doesn't close in on opponents tightly enough to prevent them from disposing cleanly of the ball. He doesn't have the pace to chase or hunt down opponents.

Telling that Mead isn't actually undersized, but does play like it - any tackling that actually lands just tends to be not very impactful. Peter Burgoyne/Robbie Gray height & weight for goodness sake. Kym Kinnear was undersized for his day and didn't have to be a bloody physics professor to know what centre of gravity was.

Yeah to the eye meads takeoff speed acceleration is slow and that’s one thing, but the real problem that isn’t talked about is his lateral movement. There’s 100kg talls in the league with better lateral movement. Soldo could probably sidestep him.

Also to my eye he’s got terrible reach, the opposite of Drew’s go go gadget arms which help him in tackling. I don’t know meads measurements but he looks very short in the arms.

It’s a horrible combination (poor to below average speed, very poor lateral movement , short arms) for a 2nd string mid role player of which being a good tackler is often the minimum requirement.

 

[1954]

It's weird isn't it? I see he is listed at 184cm, I would have said he was 178cm.

Agreed re Mead Ford he doesn't look to be 184 cm, but by comparison the Mango Mussolini in the (now not so) good old US of A doesn't appear to be anywhere near his claimed height of 6' 3'' (192 cm), and he gives me the impression he could struggle to crack 5' 11'' standing on a copy of the yellow pages!

Of course one of them may be telling porkies, but we can only wonder who that could be?

 

[It Just Is]

No doubt he needs to be stronger defensively, particularly in the air.

Could say the same about plenty of our best 22 though.

 

[HHHAMMERtime]

Yeah the Lorenz can’t defend myth needs to be put to bed. Highest tackles on our team in the sanfl so far and has always been hard at it when I’ve watched him play. 10x better player than mead and has gone past boak too. Get him in!

 

[all seeing eye]

Good again today, just classy user of the ball.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Good again today, just classy user of the ball.

Looks a class above this level

Why he isn’t getting games I’ll never know. How is keeping Boak or mead in, in any way a good thing?

 

[HaroldOliver]

Looks a class above this level

Why he isn’t getting games I’ll never know. How is keeping Boak or mead in, in any way a good thing?

Mastermind Ken Dickhead Donuts Hinkley

 

[Lefti93]

Classy lad. Doesn't make sense.

 

[Jonts]

If only you could see the behind the goals footage of Lorenz...

 

[PortAdelFC1997]

I want to see him play a few full games in the guts at AFL level. Has the class and poise.

We should be gradually phasing out Wines and definitely move Boak on at season’s end.

 

[2121]

I want to see him play a few full games in the guts at AFL level. Has the class and poise.

We should be gradually phasing out Wines and definitely move Boak on at season’s end.

Phasing out wines is an unreal thing to say hes still playing very good footy at the top level.

 

[Tibbs]

Phasing out wines is an unreal thing to say hes still playing very good footy at the top level.

Of course he is. But you have to start preparing for the next generation now. It is what the best teams do. Ollie's challenge is that we cant really move him into too many other positions. He is primarily an inside-mid. His drop-off might be very sudden! We need to have some options ready to go.

 

[2121]

Of course he is. But you have to start preparing for the next generation now. It is what the best teams do. Ollie's challenge is that we cant really move him into too many other positions. He is primarily an inside-mid. His drop-off might be very sudden! We need to have some options ready to go.

That's fine if you want to blood kids for the future but there's plenty of other players that aren't performing that should make way first.

 

[Tibbs]

That's fine if you want to blood kids for the future but there's plenty of other players that aren't performing that should make way first.

Are they playing inside mid too? Only one I can think of that some close to playing a role that Wines plays is Meade.

Anyway, He wont be dropped, he still offers too much. But expect to see him "managed" more as he ages

 

[manureid]

This bloke must watch Mead play and wonder why.

 

[Peninsula Boy]

Unlucky to not be getting a game.