Pick 6

[Duckworth]

So you are happy to pick your 4th selection..dear oh me you have low standards! Myers is decent (actually sounds a nice lad) but he is not the person I want as I rather 3 other options. I am not going to lower my standards and be happy if Dodoro is a fruitloop on Draft Day!

well considering we have pick#6 in the draft we could very well be taking our 6th selection. If you have pick 6 I don't think you can be too set in your ways about a selection. He may not be there come pick 6!

Which also begs the question why you are adamantly giving your opinion on this board and didn't bother to vote...

 

[Burzum]

So you are happy to pick your 4th selection..dear oh me you have low standards!

No, I think Myers, Palmer, Masten and Ebert are all great players. If Knights think he's right for our team, I will support that.

Myers is decent (actually sounds a nice lad) but he is not the person I want as I rather 3 other options.

But why, what sets him apart from Palmer, Masten and Ebert?

I am not going to lower my standards and be happy if Dodoro is a fruitloop on Draft Day!

What if he turns out to be the best player in the draft, are you still going to be upset with the decision?

That is why I don't understand your intense dislike for us potentially selecting Myers. I have my preferences in this draft, but I will accept everyone we draft and hope we get the best out of those players.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

well considering we have pick#6 in the draft we could very well be taking our 6th selection. If you have pick 6 I don't think you can be too set in your ways about a selection. He may not be there come pick 6!

Which also begs the question why you are adamantly giving your opinion on this board and didn't bother to vote...

Well most can tell 3 of the top 6( Morton, Cotchin, Kruezer). Dogs will go KPP (Henderson/Grant). That is 4 out of 6 done. Melbourne will take one of Palmer/Ebert/Masten. We should be left with the other two. As for the voting, I hardly ever vote in any of the polls.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

No, I think Myers, Palmer, Masten and Ebert are all great players. If Knights think he's right for our team, I will support that.



But why, what sets him apart from Palmer, Masten and Ebert?



What if he turns out to be the best player in the draft, are you still going to be upset with the decision?

That is why I don't understand your intense dislike for us potentially selecting Myers. I have my preferences in this draft, but I will accept everyone we draft and hope we get the best out of those players.

It is a gut feeling. And my gut feeling says Myers is not the one we want, Myers is potentially a very good running HB/wingman, but the other 3 are genuine midfielders, and that is the way I hope we go. We need genuine A class mids (a couple would be nice over the next 2-3 yrs). Masten/Palmer/Ebert I feel offer that a bit more. I would eventually support Myers but I would not be happy at the same time. But at least I am away for a month in December so I can cool down in Europe, so after that whoever we select probally will get my full support.

 

[Duckworth]

Since we're here and discussing selections for EFC what are peoples top 6 in order?

1. Cotchin (Best midfielder)
2. Masten.
3. Kruezer. (a risk of that inbetween height that's why he's a bit lower) Also I think that EFC is after mids.)
4. Morton.
5. Myers.
6. Ebert. (i would think a fairly safe pick)

I haven't seen much of the kids (i've read a lot though, enough to pass other peoples opinions off as my own ) I've based this on what I think Dodoro would be looking for. Having said that I would be happy with Ebert at 6.

I know others here are rating Myers, would be interested to know where he would fit in the top 6 list though.

 

[boms]

The top 5 will pretty much pan out like this -

1 Carlton - Kreuzer
2 Richmond - Cotchin
3 West Coast - Masten
4 Melbourne - Morton
5. Western Bulldogs - Grant

so we have Rhys Palmer/David Myers/Brad Ebert to choose from.

 

[Duckworth]

Well most can tell 3 of the top 6( Morton, Cotchin, Kruezer). Dogs will go KPP (Henderson/Grant). That is 4 out of 6 done. Melbourne will take one of Palmer/Ebert/Masten. We should be left with the other two. As for the voting, I hardly ever vote in any of the polls.

Ok so you rate Palmer/Ebert/Masten all above Myers. Fair enough. Some people on this board are quite convincing on the 'Myers to EFC' campaign... careful RIG doesn't slowly wear you down...

 

[Burzum]

Since we're here and discussing selections for EFC what are peoples top 6 in order?

1. Cotchin (Best midfielder)
2. Masten.
3. Kruezer. (a risk of that inbetween height that's why he's a bit lower) Also I think that EFC is after mids.)
4. Morton.
5. Myers.
6. Ebert. (i would think a fairly safe pick)

I haven't seen much of the kids (i've read a lot though, enough to pass other peoples opinions off as my own ) I've based this on what I think Dodoro would be looking for. Having said that I would be happy with Ebert at 6.

I know others here are rating Myers, would be interested to know where he would fit in the top 6 list though.

1. Trent Cotchin
2. David Myers
3. Rhys Palmer
4. Chris Masten
5. Brad Ebert
6. Cale Morton

 

[Duckworth]

1. Trent Cotchin
2. David Myers
3. Rhys Palmer
4. Chris Masten
5. Brad Ebert
6. Cale Morton

Thanks for that. Interesting to see Morton down the order a bit. I can see now why you're gunning for Myers. Will be interesting to see what happens come Saturday...

 

[GoDons]

Realistically, we could get any of those lads, they're all super prospects.

People can keep on claiming that one's better than the other, but the truth of the matter is that they're all super prospects and there's very little seperating them.

In the end, we should be very happy with whoever we get. It's often luck of the draw as to how far these kids will go, as it's very hard to tell right now.

I'm getting short on patience with the dismissive ones amongst us; all these kids are great talents.

Right now, Ebert's possibly my preference but I don't see him sticking out from the others by any stretch.

 

[The_Young_Gun]

1. Trent Cotchin
2. David Myers
3. Rhys Palmer
4. Chris Masten
5. Brad Ebert
6. Cale Morton

And what, let Kreuzer slide down the list to Freo. LOL....

Or did you just forget....



I'm Going:

#1 Carlton. Kreuzer
#2 Richmond. Cotchin
#3 West Coast. Morton
#4 Melbourne. Palmer
#5 Western Bull'. Grant
#6 Essendon. Masten / Ebert / Myers......


That, or Masten to Melbourne and Palmer to Essendon.

 

[Burzum]

And what, we'll take Matty Kreuzer.

Or did you just forget.

I forgot him. I'd put him after Cotchin.

 

[DaSawx]

Kruezer will be another Josh Fraser says my gut feel, and Karma

 

[LukeParkerno1]

1. Trent Cotchin
2. David Myers
3. Rhys Palmer
4. Chris Masten
5. Brad Ebert
6. Cale Morton

You are selling Morton rather short there!

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Ok so you rate Palmer/Ebert/Masten all above Myers. Fair enough. Some people on this board are quite convincing on the 'Myers to EFC' campaign... careful RIG doesn't slowly wear you down...

RIG knows my feelings, thankfully I go away shortly after the draft to get married to my long term fiance' so I'll hardly get time to dwell on our wrong decisions in this draft anyway!

 

[GoDons]

Kruezer will be another Josh Fraser says my gut feel, and Karma

The thought has definately crossed my mind.

Super athlete, good skills but not so strong in the taps; certainly rings a few bells

 

[The_Young_Gun]

Apart from Carlton picking Kreuzer for the #1 pick.

Its going to be really random after the first pick. Theres too many of our top amount of players that are at the same level at footy or almost the same level. I don't know if this is a good thing yet or a bad thing.

But on Saturday its going to be pretty weird, like Myers could go pick 2, which is probably 1 in 1,000 chance but can't rule it out.

 

[Burzum]

You are selling Morton rather short there!

No I'm not. He's a receiver, we don't need anymore of them.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

No I'm not. He's a receiver, we don't need anymore of them.

He is also a utilty which is extremely rare, especially at his height!

 

[hird_is_king]

I'm really starting to lean towards Palmer for our choice at pick 6. I think it will come down to a choice between Palmer, Myers and Ebert as i believe they will be the best 3 left at our pick.

The reason I am more keen on Palmer as he will as much needed spark and good kicking ability to our midfield which is desperate for players with good disposal by foot. Rhys has the ability to kick goals playing in the midfield and our midfield certainly dont contribute enough goals each week.

I must admit i hadnt heard alot about Myers until recent weeks when some bomber posters on BF started calling his name as the desired pick 6. Whilst the raps on him are big i just think we are in more need of a quality genuine midfielder and i dont think Myers will be an AFL midfielder. Myers i feel will play as a loose half back, wing type which i dont think we are in great need of. The only thing that would swing me towards Myers is he is a beautiful kick of the footy and as i said before, quality disposal by foot is much needed.

Ebert for me is a good solid player but i dont think he will add what we need in our mifield. Ebert will be similar to a Brent Stanton type i feel and we require quick flashier Midielders like Palmer.

At the end of the day whoever we select will be a quality young footballer and i trust the EFC recruiting staff will pick the best possible player for us at pick 6.

 

[GoDons]

Ebert for me is a good solid player but i dont think he will add what we need in our mifield. Ebert will be similar to a Brent Stanton type i feel and we require quick flashier Midielders like Palmer.

I disagree entirely with that.

Ebert is much more than a 'good solid player' and holds very few similarities with Brent Stanton.

From what I've seen and heard of Ebert, he can really dominate you. He's a class mover that can hurt you with pretty good speed, good endurance, excellent skills over head and reliable foot skills (he's got a pretty good distance on that kick as well), but at the same time, can cut you up in the physical stuff as he's very good when push comes to shove. In addition, he's very good at finding the football. In the opening match of the Champs, he started deep forward and only later moved into the midfield, and still collected 27 possessions without being at his best.

As for the Brent Stanton comparison, I don't know where you've pulled that from. Stanton is an elite endurance midfielder who thrives on finding space. He can win his own ball, but works best as a receiver. Brad Ebert thrives on being around the ball, he's not the type that'll keep running to space. His receiving will consist of getting the handball receive from a pack sort of stuff, and when he's not doing that, he'd be underneath the pack.

Adding Brad Ebert would only complement Stanton as Ebert would be an extra provider for him and wouldn't take away from his role whatsoever.

This leads me to why I don't think we will get Rhys Palmer, not that I'm ruling it out. Palmer works best as a receiver, he can win his own ball, but he'll always be most dangerous being on the end of a handpass. Knights wants to incorporate Dempsey, Davey, Jetta, Lovett, Stanton and Dyson into the midfield who are all similar in that they work best as receivers. In additon, Jetta, Davey and Lovett imparticular are goalkickers, Palmer's best attributes cover an area that the club, according to Dodoro at least, have already addressed. I think he might be seen as a little too much of the same.

Persoanlly, I think Ebert and Myers are the front runners to wind up at Windy Hill. Masten's a chance if he's still there and I think Palmer would be the fourth preference of that group. This is of course assuming that neither Cotchin or Morton slip.

 

[hird_is_king]

You make some pretty good points in your case for Ebert. And i take your point that Ebert isnt a similar style player to Stants, but i guess my point was more that we need a bit more flair in the middle and thats where i see Ebert and Stants being a bit similar as neither of them are overly flashy. Thats why i would love Palmer as he is a genuine midfielder with pace and flair.

Although another point i agree with you on is the fact that guys like Jetta, Dempsey, Lovett and even Dyson, have that pace and flair we need through our midlied. However i dont see any of them other that Jetta holding down a spot as a permanant midfielder, the others i see as more in and out cameo types who will run off the wing and half back. Palmer in my opinion will be a permanant midfielder with the goalkicking ability we need.

Its all just hot air and opinions at this point any way and having read your write up on Ebert i can see more merrit in picking him up, but i would still go for Palmer. I am more than happy 2 admit i havent seen heaps of these guys as they are interstaters and my opinion may be a bit biased as i am a fan of players like Palmer. Im not gonna pretend 2 be an expert, and i have seen alot more of Palmer than Ebert, but what i have seen from Ebert he seems to be a well rounded player with a strong body, but too me doesnt stand out in any particular areas.

Does anyone have any info on Eberts pace and endurance? I have heard he isnt overly quick but i havent seen any of his times.

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[GoDons]

You make some pretty good points in your case for Ebert. And i take your point that Ebert isnt a similar style player to Stants, but i guess my point was more that we need a bit more flair in the middle and thats where i see Ebert and Stants being a bit similar as neither of them are overly flashy. Thats why i would love Palmer as he is a genuine midfielder with pace and flair.

Although another point i agree with you on is the fact that guys like Jetta, Dempsey, Lovett and even Dyson, have that pace and flair we need through our midlied. However i dont see any of them other that Jetta holding down a spot as a permanant midfielder, the others i see as more in and out cameo types who will run off the wing and half back. Palmer in my opinion will be a permanant midfielder with the goalkicking ability we need.

Its all just hot air and opinions at this point any way and having read your write up on Ebert i can see more merrit in picking him up, but i would still go for Palmer. I am more than happy 2 admit i havent seen heaps of these guys as they are interstaters and my opinion may be a bit biased as i am a fan of players like Palmer. Im not gonna pretend 2 be an expert, and i have seen alot more of Palmer than Ebert, but what i have seen from Ebert he seems to be a well rounded player with a strong body, but too me doesnt stand out in any particular areas.

Does anyone have any info on Eberts pace and endurance? I have heard he isnt overly quick but i havent seen any of his times.

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It's a valid point that Palmer has greater endurance than guys like Jetta, Dempsey and Lovett but I see the role they play as more of an impact role more than anything else and we have enough of those types to have a impact player going through the midfield for just about the entire match. I think we've got that role reasonably well covered.

I can't give you the exact figures of Ebert's speed and endurance, so I'm not going to make anything up. However, I'd hazard a guess that he'd have Palmer covered in speed wise. As strange as it sounds, Palmer's 20m sprint time was not at all impressive apparently. Ebert possibly lacks acceleration, but he is pretty quick.

Also, if you're looking for areas that Ebert stands out, I'd say his overhead marking for a midfielder is exceptional. His ball skills are also particularly impressive under pressure, he's very clean.

Finally, don't feel bad about liking Palmer by any stretch. He's an entertainer and a seriously talented kid and I won't be disappointed if we get him, just a little surprised. He certainly doesn't lack ability.

 

[acebomer]

i think that Ebert is more capable at doing stoppage works, he is more like a ruck rover which the dons need. Palmer looks very explosive, but he is not overly quick and he is a rover or a ball receiver. I think the dons have enough ball receivers and hislop would probably play at the centre, so Ebert would be a better fit for the Dons as a ruck rover in my oppinion.

 

[Burzum]

Ebert sort of reminds me of Voss.