Review Please remind me why we traded Dougal Howard?

[TeeKray]

Monty knows best.

 

[Contested Marx]

I liked Dougal and was sad he was traded, he's played well at Saints this year and I do worry that we will be exposed defensively at some point without a 200+ defender

But he's gone now so he's yesterday's jam as far as I'm concerned (hope he does well he seems like a nice guy)

 

[Macca19]

I said it at the time when we looked like we were going to trade him and everyone was melting. The idea of Dougal was always better than the reality of Dougal.

Tall, quick, good spoiler, lad, Dooooooooogs. Shit he could be a gun.

Then you watch him play. Why does he only spoil? **** he should have marked that. And that. And that. Oh look he fell over in the goalsquare trying to kick the ball. Oh im glad he just spoiled Clurey trying to take an uncontested mark.

He gave up minimum 2 goals a game, every game from stupid errors. But hey, hes tall. And hes got a good nickname.

 

[Schulzenfest]

All the 'he's unreliable, his marking is poor' etc comments are a bit rich when McKenzie has cost us several goals this year by dropping uncontested marks, one of which came just three days ago. Rose coloured glasses all round.

 

[EvansHodges77]

Yes.

The idea of Dougal Howard is better than the reality. He's inconsistent, he makes dumb errors, poor at ground level, he's not a particularly good kick, his marking is hit and miss hence why he spoils as a first preference.

I was one of the few who was happy they moved him forward because to be frank he's just the tall Pittard.

Did you watch the final yesterday mate?


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[Macca19]

All the 'he's unreliable, his marking is poor' etc comments are a bit rich when McKenzie has cost us several goals this year by dropping uncontested marks, one of which came just three days ago. Rose coloured glasses all round.

Yes. One mark.

Dougal did it multiple times every week.

Saying Mckenzie hasnt been more reliable this year is just stubborness in the extreme.

 

[TeeKray]

Did you watch the final yesterday mate?


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Yeah. They were playing a team whose leading goal kicker is Mitch Wallis. Let's see how he goes against the Tiggie Train.

 

[TeeKray]

Yes. One mark.

Dougal did it multiple times every week.

Saying Mckenzie hasnt been more reliable this year is just stubborness in the extreme.

Forget dropped marks, McKenzie also TAKES marks unlike Howard.

 

[PepeSilvia]

It is about Port not the Saints. It you cannot see the relevance of not having Dougal Howard to use against a player like Hawkins I will not waste my time debating the issue with you.

Howard would get obliterated by Hawkins. I have fond memories of Hipwood kicking six on Howard last year.

 

[Macca19]

Did you watch the final yesterday mate?


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He beat Fat Josh Bruce. Make him AA

 

[Macca19]

Having said all that, he’d be handy against Brisbane, and if he thumps Dixon in 2 weeks then i’ll throw a tanty

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Against Port earlier this season, Josh Bruce had 1 kick, 1 mark and kicked 0.0.

 

[TeeKray]

Against Port earlier this season, Josh Bruce had 1 kick, 1 mark and kicked 0.0.

That's what happens when you play on the Dulmial Gun, or even just in the vicinity of the Dulmial Gun.

 

[EvansHodges77]

Having said all that, he’d be handy against Brisbane, and if he thumps Dixon in 2 weeks then i’ll throw a tanty

Yes true, if we do play St Kilda there is a bloke called Max King who played really well yesterday...does McKenzie play on him as well?


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[Us against the rest]

It’s funny trades.

So St K also got Paddy, who has helped them make finals. But probably only has one more year, and there is a chance of injury (like last night).

Howard has been better than anyone else they had this year, and probably also has helped them make finals.

Doubt however, they will beat Richmond or us. So trade not a threat. Not sure St K will be a threat next year either.

We on the other hand, got Williams, who we are yet to see, but there is the potential that we have a small forward who can replace Robbie...

We also got points towards Mead, who we are yet to see, and possibly points towards Jones, who we are yet to see.

The sum of all of this is really a 2-12 year decision from now, with the club backing our current tall defenders and system - the best in the league in 2020 (and Hopefully 2021/2022).

I think the club thought Jack Watts still had a couple of years to go, and may not have traded Doogs if they knew Watts was done.

Still have prelim and Gf to go, have been lucky to escape any serious injuries back there, but I believe the club will look for some cheap cover this trade season. Maybe an almost retired player on a low salary rookie or 1-2 year contract, that costs us minimal draft points. Mostly to replace Watts and give Pasini more time to develop.

It’s still a yes to the trade for me. Doogs made a lot of mistakes, didn’t mark much footy, and was out of position a lot. We also increased our draft value for him, and got some use out of him.

Would not have had as good a year without McKenzie this year.

I feel we need a fit Burton, he is more important than some think.

 

[JimmyBC]

Loved Trent's year but he dodged a bullet on Hawkins the other night we've seen him nail all those sorta shots in the past.

 

[Us against the rest]

Dougal played his best game yesterday, sadly he will go missing next week.

we could debate trading him extensively, but history will show whether it was a mistake in the future,

Very true but our lack of height down back is still an issue, our defense is missing a genuine tall.

 

[Us against the rest]

Yes true, if we do play St Kilda there is a bloke called Max King who played really well yesterday...does McKenzie play on him as well?


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Brisbane have some handy talls also.

 

[Macca19]

Yes true, if we do play St Kilda there is a bloke called Max King who played really well yesterday...does McKenzie play on him as well?


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Probably. He missed last time against St Kilda

 

[Us against the rest]

Mckenzie has shown consistency this year that Howard never looked like showing. Whether hes a better player or not doesnt matter. Mckenzie and his traits have fit our team better

Maybe he's better coached.

 

[Us against the rest]

Forget dropped marks, McKenzie also TAKES marks unlike Howard.

Dangerfield says hi.

 

[backtozero]

All the 'he's unreliable, his marking is poor' etc comments are a bit rich when McKenzie has cost us several goals this year by dropping uncontested marks, one of which came just three days ago. Rose coloured glasses all round.

That's wicked harsh on McKenzie when there was an opposition player and a teammate in that marking contest and it was 75m from goal. You talk like he dropped a sitter in the goal square.

 

[Byrons Firen]

It's the lack of a genuinely tall KPD rather than Dougal himself to me, I mean sure get rid of him but bring in a replacement at least.

I don't wanna say it but if we get in a tight final and the difference ends up a tall marking over our short people late in the game all our team defense knob polishing all year will be meaningless.

The look on Ken's face when Stanley marked 20m out 1st qtr....... it was a gulp moment for me.

 

[Byron!!!]

It was rumoured at the time that the Saints made him an offer that was more than what we perceived his value to be and we clearly (correctly) thought we would be ok without him. Ultimately it comes down to cash and contracts with players like this. Same as Ryder, we would have kept him for one year but he wanted longer. Now he has done his hamstring (not that it couldn’t have happened to a younger player but it’s not great when old players are having soft tissue injuries).

We had a few talls in reserves in case of emergency as well (Grundy and Buzza and even the tall Lienert) and we have acknowledged during the upcoming offseason that we will likely look for some key back potential as well as midfielders.




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[JimmyBC]

The look on Ken's face when Stanley marked 20m out 1st qtr....... it was a gulp moment for me.

The quick centre clearance one kick deep in the forward line on the short ass GABBA with an undersized defense is nightmarish.