News Port Adelaide's Next Generation Academy

[Fosman]

Is there any way we can email the club as members to encourage them to take legal action? The fact that they are changing the rules for this year's draft is laughable given the fact you can trade draft picks two years in advance. It's absolute amateur hour. I'd have a lot more respect for the club if they tried to fight it instead of just taking it.

 

[Duckimus Prime]

If they do this 2 pick in the same round matching thing, they've gotta do something about the points. The chances of any club manufacturing a way to get 2 picks in what the top 8? To get pick 1 for example is just stupid. Clubs don't usually trade those picks and have no motivation to just to let us in.

If you're going to have an alignment system, you can't make it near impossible to actually facilitate that.

Surely just any 2 x first rounds should suffice, even if they are 17 & 18.

And the only motivation clubs have had for trading those first round picks has been the fact that they've had Father-Son/Academy kids and they can trade those picks for greater total points value in later rounds.

 

[PatientMental]

They've opened up multi year trading which im sure they believe is how clubs are going to be able to stockpile picks for players aligned to clubs

Ignoring the fact some clubs may have to be conservative with that mindset if you have 2+ years straight of top 10 kids coming through.

I think wed be fine if it was just cochrane, but its not

 

[Coobk001]

They've opened up multi year trading which im sure they believe is how clubs are going to be able to stockpile picks for players aligned to clubs

Ignoring the fact some clubs may have to be conservative with that mindset if you have 2+ years straight of top 10 kids coming through.

I think wed be fine if it was just cochrane, but its not

yeah, it's also defeating the whole purpose of alignment and a bit of a bonus, if you then need to mortgage your future to take a risk on a kid aligned to you.

I mean I get the current system is too much of a leg up, but it feels like this new one would remove any benefit in their alignment.

I'm fascinated to see what actually spills out of this plan. There has to be some benefit in the system to those who have an aligned player otherwise it is pointless and we could see clubs pass regularly.

 

[JUSTWORK]

Where do you draw the line with draft tampering with Academy and FS players possibly being open about these changes being a complete over correction, how they have zero interest playing for anyone other than the club that's invested in their development and their absolute intention to request a trade after one year and walk out immediately following their first contract?

 

[StueyDaDew]

Didn't the Swans & GWS get the same privileges as well?

 

[chachi11]

 

[Powerade 08]

Tough shit if AFL can't get itself organised in time to notify clubs of pending changes, there needs to be fair warning. If it comes to challenging in court, at least Carlton have access to the best lawyers in the country for their tribunal cases. Better than Port's joker.

We just voted a lawyer onto the board

 

[Peninsula Boy]

I know this Tassie thing is more a letter of intent than anything else but do they really think they will get Father/Sons like Koby Bewick. Maybe NGAs are a different kettle of fish but if the player is connected to the club, it would be useless for them to go after them.

 

[PortAdelFC1997]

The bidding rules were always ridiculous and the QLD clubs were the beneficiaries of said system. Then as soon as Swann took over after leaving Brisbane, he changed the bidding system.

There should have been more of a grace period as it transitions over to the new system. That way, clubs aren’t screwed over with their list strategies from planning over 2-3 years.

Regarding Cochrane, put him on ice for the majority of the year and get his body right. It might lower his draft ranking.

I mean isn’t he injured at the moment? I will admit, it’s a little concerning how injured he has been in the last few years.

 

[Cheese Tastes Good]

Is there any way we can email the club as members to encourage them to take legal action? The fact that they are changing the rules for this year's draft is laughable given the fact you can trade draft picks two years in advance. It's absolute amateur hour. I'd have a lot more respect for the club if they tried to fight it instead of just taking it.

yeah do it

 

[theouthouse]

Matching a player with only draft picks in that round = value of lower picks per round goes down, higher goes up. Long term it will help with equality as top 8 teams will have a much poorer hand as opposed to the bottom 10.

Salary cap hits for NGA players drafted to other teams or bonuses for teams that have NGAs poached on a sliding scale with draft pick, if AFL is serious about that avenue.

 

[Cheesey Mac]

Tough shit if AFL can't get itself organised in time to notify clubs of pending changes, there needs to be fair warning. If it comes to challenging in court, at least Carlton have access to the best lawyers in the country for their tribunal cases. Better than Port's joker.

Carlton certainly have access to those resources, but they also currently employ Chris Davies which surely offsets that advantage somewhat

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Port Adelaide father-son prospect Louis Salopek is among the five Vic Country players listed, as well as Tom Steinfort, the son of former Cat and Pie Carl. Steinfort didn't qualify as a father-son but under previous Next Generation Academy (NGA) rules was eligible to join Geelong. However, changes to the system at the end of last year has meant he no longer qualifies for the Cats and will be in the open pool.

Zemes Pilot, who is tied to Port's NGA, is in the group of 22 and one of four South Australians (as well as Harvey Chapman, Taj Garrett and Hugo Semmler), while Walsh is one of three West Australians.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

I didn't realise Dandenong Stingrays were part of Vic Country. They must have a city and country zone as part of their boundaries. I tough Louie Salopek played for Vic Metro with Tevita Rodan.

 

[Lefti93]

Everything can get absolutely ****ed and I'll bash everyone.

 

[JohnHinckleyJr]

Lol the wwe have nothing on the AFL with their predetermined storylines.. isn't Swann a tad to invested in n the lions success to be changing rules for other clubs already.. **** me lol trash Backstreet sport

 

[JUSTWORK]

The other aspect to this, the draft concessions Tassie are going to get at the 2027 draft will have a massive impact on being able to match a bid, both this year and next.

We have seen today the 22 players Tassie can pre-list and take out of that draft. The more of those players who accept that, the more likely an early bid on the remaining players.

Add to this Tassie will get half of the top 10 picks, yes they have to trade some those picks but can absolutely manipulate who they trade those picks to in order to prevent a club from being able to match a bit on one of it's NGA/FS players.

It is totally unreasonable to make big changes to Academy and FS bidding until after Tassie come in.

As for the '26 draft and trading out '27 picks to match a bid this year. Who's going to take a '27 pick when a handful of the best players could be pre-drafted to Tassie and after that, what was an early first will become a mid first rounder after the Tassie draft concessions.

 

[GC2015]

Good amount of your NGA & F/S players competing in this live stream:

 

[Rash]

Good amount of your NGA & F/S players competing in this live stream:

did u watch it?

Any of our boys go well?

 

[GC2015]

did u watch it?

Any of our boys go well?

Only saw a little bit of the start and some of the fourth quarter. Pilot was wearing the #24 and played in the ruck at the start. He got his hands on it a fair bit. That vertical leap is going to come in handy with the new ruck rules! He seems happy to chase and tackle as well. Plenty of great signs.

Think I saw Percy Burgoyne in the #15 as well.

 

[philthy05]

To be fair bias aside, that’s the way it should be. If anything should be even stricter

****ing absurd.

If a club has to match a bid for 2 1st round talents they will need 4 1st round draft picks?

How the **** are they going to achieve that.

Also, let’s imagine there’s 2 other clubs with ngas or fs who might go 1st round.

They will need first round picks as well. 4 of them. So 3 clubs will be fighting to obtain 8 1st round draft picks

What bad ****ing luck if nearly half the leagues clubs don’t want to trade their early draft picks ?

And the club that gets 8 ngas and f/s in 10 years is fine if they’re already out but the club that gets 2 in one year after not having any for half a decade can eat shit?

It’s just so unnecessarily stupid.

 

[powermacs]

The other aspect to this, the draft concessions Tassie are going to get at the 2027 draft will have a massive impact on being able to match a bid, both this year and next.

We have seen today the 22 players Tassie can pre-list and take out of that draft. The more of those players who accept that, the more likely an early bid on the remaining players.

Add to this Tassie will get half of the top 10 picks, yes they have to trade some those picks but can absolutely manipulate who they trade those picks to in order to prevent a club from being able to match a bit on one of it's NGA/FS players.

It is totally unreasonable to make big changes to Academy and FS bidding until after Tassie come in.

As for the '26 draft and trading out '27 picks to match a bid this year. Who's going to take a '27 pick when a handful of the best players could be pre-drafted to Tassie and after that, what was an early first will become a mid first rounder after the Tassie draft concessions.

I think it will make it easier to trade in high end first picks. Compromised draft, clubs will want out.

 

[El_Scorcho]

****ing absurd.

If a club has to match a bid for 2 1st round talents they will need 4 1st round draft picks?

How the **** are they going to achieve that.

Also, let’s imagine there’s 2 other clubs with ngas or fs who might go 1st round.

They will need first round picks as well. 4 of them. So 3 clubs will be fighting to obtain 8 1st round draft picks

What bad ****ing luck if nearly half the leagues clubs don’t want to trade their early draft picks ?

And the club that gets 8 ngas and f/s in 10 years is fine if they’re already out but the club that gets 2 in one year after not having any for half a decade can eat shit?

It’s just so unnecessarily stupid.

Yep, all the "you gotta pay fair value" arguments fall away when you consider that 1st round draft picks are a finite, very competitive resource and you'll have at least 2-3 F/S and academy kids taken in the first round each year.

It also artificially inflates the value of later first round draft picks, because clubs are scrambling to get them, so you'll have situations where the clubs that finished top 4 can command a premium on their late firsts and massively strengthen their draft hand by exploiting clubs trying to take a F/S or academy kid.

I have no issue with them making it more difficult to take academy players, but 2 picks is too restrictive and will lead to situations where clubs would have happily overpaid to take their kid but can't because they can't find a trade partner.

 

[SC_Power]

****ing absurd.

If a club has to match a bid for 2 1st round talents they will need 4 1st round draft picks?

How the **** are they going to achieve that.

Also, let’s imagine there’s 2 other clubs with ngas or fs who might go 1st round.

They will need first round picks as well. 4 of them. So 3 clubs will be fighting to obtain 8 1st round draft picks

What bad ****ing luck if nearly half the leagues clubs don’t want to trade their early draft picks ?

And the club that gets 8 ngas and f/s in 10 years is fine if they’re already out but the club that gets 2 in one year after not having any for half a decade can eat shit?

It’s just so unnecessarily stupid.

Wait for the “players compromising the draft by telling clubs they won’t go” penalties to start.

Joke of a comp, rules changes on the run.

Someone should do a full Rules of the Game and competition changes comparison over last 25 years to show the farce it’s becoming.