Autopsy Post Mortem vs Essendon

[HFF]

Did anyone see Ed's message/response this morning?

"There's no better person to have our clubs future in their hands" - referring to Nathan Buckley.

Cmon Ed, do what must be done.

At least he followed it up with "the results will be decided upon and action will be taken because no one person- president, coach or player is bigger than the club".

 

[loki04]

Just on that, do you reckon it was a coincidence that Moore was finally able to get a run at the ball and take a mark without being double teamed when Reid went forward?

It's amazing what can happen when there's a second legitimately dangerous key forward that defenders actually have to pay attention to!

Yep Reid forward although he didn't directly score certainly addressed some structural issues, he immediately helped bring others into the game.

He provides a genuine aerial contest, not sure if anyone noticed but Reid even when competing 2/3v1 he always brought the ball to the ground often skittering a bomber in the process.
The bombers also panicked and all 2/3 would fly to spoil so they lost some ground presence, with Moore they often back in the defender to beat/negate him 1v1 and stay grounded for spills.

 

[Helfarch]

Nothing infuriates me more than failure to chase and or failure to reform defensive structure. The pure ****ing laziness to get back in position on a turnover is mind boggling.

 

[jackcass]

Ah you just shifted the goal posts, pardon the pun

Included it in my original post.

I agree we have some major issues with our F50 entry and transition but a game plan that generates about 50% more forward entries than the opposition can't possibly be as bad as many suggest. Particularly when you factor in the time in possession was pretty much equally split.

 

[jackcass]

What does it say?

It says we're generating some quality F50 entry, just not taking those chances.

 

[Helfarch]

Included it in my original post.

I agree we have some major issues with our F50 entry and transition but a game plan that generates about 50% more forward entries than the opposition can't possibly be as bad as many suggest. Particularly when you factor in the time in possession was pretty much equally split.

If we had the efficiency of StKilda inside 50 we'd be on top of the ladder

 

[Visions]

Yeah, not really a heavy metal fan. Little bit of Iron Maiden from the 80's maybe, if you consider that heavy metal.

Greatest band of all time!

 

[barrackers]

You make some good points with drafting prior to 2011 but in regards to Freeman and Scharenberg, think it was just bad luck with the injuries both have.

Interestingly the same recruiters are still there.

True and there's every chance McCarthy still would have gone home to WA, which means we'd have another couple of young first round picks running around in the VFL without immediate value to the senior team.

 

[jackcass]

This blame on the players is a bit tiresome for me.

If the game plan is fine (as you say it is) and it is the players who are responsible for our poor performances, isn't that too Buckley's fault since this is his team?


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Where did I suggest that the game plan is without issues? F50 entry and transition to both offence and defense are all issues. I'm just saying that it's not as dire as some suggest and at some stage the players also need to take some responsibility. Yes, Bucks does have a role in how these players perform but more often than not it's the more senior guys letting us down, not the kids. You expect mistakes from the kids but when your supposed good users of the footy are missing passes, handballing at the feet of team mates, and missing set shots on goal, then some of the responsibility needs to be levelled at them. I'm not privy to the exact design of the game plan, but I'm pretty confident that these aspects aren't included in it.

 

[30yearpie]

Pendles is either injured or mentally off.

Adams was played in the fwd line FFS, why? Pressure?

Nothing to do with what you said but I'll add Fasolo is a one way runner, I was disgusted by some of his efforts today. Also, I assume it's been mentioned a lot, probably after selection but why the **** do we bring in Cox on a wet day?

I agree. This board was lit up in the pre match (3 days earlier) that Cox on a wet day was the wrong move. IMO the reason he played is because the emergencies played in the VFL and we were locked in.
A couple of items that haven't yet been mentioned.

* Love Grundy but his tap work yesterday was poor. Taps to Essendon advantage had me steaming by half time and boiling in the second half.
* Kicking out a point has become a joke. Turnovers from kick outs in previous games and yesterday have been a flaw in our game. I don't agree that our defence is holding up well, as many people have mentioned. If Essendon had kicked accurately in 23 quarters yestrday we lose by 10 goals. Our inaccuracy seems to occur when the pressure is on and we need to kick the goal to take the lead etc.

* Reid has had a shocking year. Can't remember a defensive mark under pressure. His disposal has been poor and is a prime culprit in kicking sideways and backwards.

* Fasolo and Blair last week flying for a mark against our tall forwards is just abysmal. Moore seems to be trying to get a nomination for Mark of the year each time, playing from behind. Came to the club as a defender and in my mind would be a better defended that this 'fantasy' that we have he is the next gun forward.

* When getting tackled, many other clubs seem to have worked out that you either hold on to the ball and fall forward (NOP) or let the ball fall out at your feet when tackled (no such thing as dropping the ball these days) Instead we seem to let the ball go and attempt a feeble effort at handballing, therefore giving the umpires (and the crowd) the option to call incorrect disposal. This happened at least 5 time yesterday and in many previous games.....especially in defence. Watching the smart opposition teams they never attempt to handball in defence when tackled and just hold the ball in. Easier to defend from a ball up that a free kick to the opposition.

All IMO

 

[sr36]

I agree we have some major issues with our F50 entry and transition but a game plan that generates about 50% more forward entries than the opposition can't possibly be as bad as many suggest. Particularly when you factor in the time in possession was pretty much equally split.

Our game plan is built around maximising inside 50 entries. The problem is that it does so at the cost of creating and defending goals. Our entries are slow ones to a crowded mess. Against us, other teams entries are to a spacious open forward line. So yes our game plan can be bad despite generating a lot of forward 50 entries, as it regularly results in us having more entries, but less good chances to score goals.

 

[loki04]

Where did I suggest that the game plan is without issues? F50 entry and transition to both offence and defense are all issues. I'm just saying that it's not as dire as some suggest and at some stage the players also need to take some responsibility. Yes, Bucks does have a role in how these players perform but more often than not it's the more senior guys letting us down, not the kids. You expect mistakes from the kids but when your supposed good users of the footy are missing passes, handballing at the feet of team mates, and missing set shots on goal, then some of the responsibility needs to be levelled at them. I'm not privy to the exact design of the game plan, but I'm pretty confident that these aspects aren't included in it.

I love this saying "players need to take responsibility".

How do they "take responsibility" other then magically flick a switch and do the opposite of what they have done all year and most of last year?

Do they then drop themselves to VFL?

If a player is deemed to continually let the team down, isn't incumbent on the coach to then find a way of breaking said players form slump? or send him to the 2s to regain form/confidence/work on the issue?

 

[30yearpie]

I believe we have the talent.. spread it across the entire park.

Aish should be in defence for starters.

Leave WHE up forward.

Give players a position.. and let em take ownership of it.

No one understands what their role is.

With respect....you lost me at Aish in defence.

 

[loki04]

Our game plan is built around maximising inside 50 entries. The problem is that it does so at the cost of creating and defending goals. Our entries are slow ones to a crowded mess. Against us, other teams entries are to a spacious open forward line. So yes our game plan can be bad despite generating a lot of forward 50 entries, as it regularly results in us having more entries, but less good chances to score goals.

It also is a very taxing game style. Players are taking shots on goal cooked as ****. Anyone who has played the game knows when you have jelly legs your kicking accuracy tends to suffer.

 

[BringouttheGimp]

With respect....you lost me at Aish in defence.

Yeah so did West Coast supporters when Yeo lined up in defence.. now in AA form.

Don't look too much into Aish's form.. new coach can implement a new strategy.. a new found freedom that players will no doubt embrace.

 

[loki04]

If we had the efficiency of StKilda inside 50 we'd be on top of the ladder

If a frog had wings it wouldn't bash it's arse every time it hopped!

 

[30yearpie]

Yeah, so I've been happy to watch and see - but now I've officially lost confidence in Bucks. It'll be a miracle if he can turn it around.

On some other notes:

Ramsay -- can he win a one on one? Can he stop turning it over? No on both counts.
Fasolo -- seriously, where did the confidence go? Can't kick for sht anymore.

We looked better with Cox in, but he ain't really a key position.
Why put Reid forwrd so late in the game? Why not at the start and bring Dunn in instead of Cox?

This is officially the least I've enjoyed watching football in my life, and that includes the late 90s.

I also want to add. While not impacting the result, what was with the decision to overturn Cox's goal?

The replay showed no evidence that the essendon player had touched the ball. Every similar decision I can recall there was evidence of a moving finger n the replay. It seems that because it's Collingwood (which every other supporter and commentator hate us) nothing is mentioned......P**ssed me off

 

[Countrypie]

I also want to add. While not impacting the result, what was with the decision to overturn Cox's goal?

The replay showed no evidence that the essendon player had touched the ball. Every similar decision I can recall there was evidence of a moving finger n the replay. It seems that because it's Collingwood (which every other supporter and commentator hate us) nothing is mentioned......P**ssed me off

Looked a goal off the boot. Field umpire "thought it might have been touched" Despite video clearly showing no finger movement decision was umpires call. Seemed the wrong decision at the time and still does. And I'd really like to know where that field umpire was when Reid was clearly interfered with in the goalsquare on a long Essendon bomb that fell over the line

 

[sr36]

I also want to add. While not impacting the result, what was with the decision to overturn Cox's goal?

The replay showed no evidence that the essendon player had touched the ball. Every similar decision I can recall there was evidence of a moving finger n the replay. It seems that because it's Collingwood (which every other supporter and commentator hate us) nothing is mentioned......P**ssed me off

The call from the umpire was touched. They went upstairs because there was doubt. The video wasn't conclusive enough to overturn the umpire's decision.

 

[jackcass]

Cox was a free hit, White a pick in the 40s and he hasn't been that bad, Mayne I can't begin to explain

While there's no guarantee that a change in coach will be an instant fix, recruiting and list management certainly isn't going to change things overnight. Aside from a lack of key position depth I think the list is in reasonable shape especially considering we traded out of the 2009 (Jolly, Ball (yeah he was drafted, but it still wasn't a pick for the future)), 2010 (Krakouer, Tarrant) and 2011 (Clarke) drafts to build or try and sustain a premiership side. Admittedly Ceglar and Elliott were traded in as part of the Krakouer and Clarke trades, so we had some eye to the future.

Looking at those drafts if we didn't trade for the flag undoubtably we'd be playing better now, but would be worse off for not having the 2010 premiership. Just looking at those who went around those selections:

2009 pick 14 (Jolly) - Menzel (17), Fyfe (19), Carlisle (24)
2009 pick 30 (Ball) - Gawn (34), Reid (38),
2009 pick 46 (Jolly) - Stratton (46)
2010 pick 25 (Krakouer) - Darling (26), Howe (33), Parker (40)
2011 pick (Clarke - potentially we could have traded a later pick for just Elliott) - Brad Hill (33)


In terms of key position youth our mistakes were made a few years ago when we lacked the foresight to plan for the departures of Cloke, Brown and Reid. Obviously Reid is still playing, but the point is we don't have anyone to replace him. Hence changing the recruiting/list management won't be an instant fix as drafting key position players requires time for them to develop.

The 2013 draft where we had the chance to select McCarthy, but instead drafted Scharenberg and Freeman and the 2015 draft where we had the chance to select either Wright or Lever, but instead drafted DeGoey standout as chances missed. I'm ok with the Treloar trade as he provides much needed pace, although Weideman* and Logue went at the selections we traded. *I'm not confident Weideman would have lasted to pick 7 had we held that selection, there's a chance Melbourne would have pounced at pick 4.

Using the above ramblings we could have Fyfe, Reid, Stratton, Parker, McCarthy and Wright/Lever playing for us now, but the first three would have came at the expense of our 2010 flag and Parker at the expense of the 2011 grand final. McCarthy and Wright/Lever vs Freeman and DeGoey looks to be the mistake.

Add:

2007 pick 14 (Wood) - Tarrant (15), Taylor (17), Rance (18), Steven (42), Mumford (RD)

This isn't a new phenomenon. You can go right back to when MM started and find missed opportunities, the guys we traded from WCE for example, but our strength was always having a capacity to identify players later. Sadly, the dilution of the draft pool due to 2 extra teams coupled with the FD tax issues have eroded that strength.

 

[jackcass]

Greatest band of all time!

Iron Maiden? Yeah..... nah, not even close.

 

[Unknown Identity]

We need to get players in defence that don't panic under pressure.

Dunn coming in, Adams and Varcoe to play half back and use Maynard up the ground to deliver the ball inside 50.

You can't have players that fumble and don't take first options when the heat is on, will just continually leak goals.

Ramsay and Maynard cost us on several occasions yesterday, as they have all year.

 

[Countrypie]

Iron Maiden? Yeah..... nah, not even close.

Just cloned a lot of Blackmore riffs and made them their own. All be done before

 

[jackcass]

Our game plan is built around maximising inside 50 entries. The problem is that it does so at the cost of creating and defending goals. Our entries are slow ones to a crowded mess. Against us, other teams entries are to a spacious open forward line. So yes our game plan can be bad despite generating a lot of forward 50 entries, as it regularly results in us having more entries, but less good chances to score goals.

Every team's game plan is built around maximising F50 entry. I'm pretty confident though that it isn't in the game plan to continually stop and prop on the transition from defense, or to just give the footy back to the opposition. Those 2 factors more often than not result in the slow entry and the crowded mess.

 

[PieBeast]

The call from the umpire was touched. They went upstairs because there was doubt. The video wasn't conclusive enough to overturn the umpire's decision.

It's bewildering that this elementary stuff is beyond some people's grasp.