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They have a fairly handy captain coming back in, plus I'm sure they have a few quality recruits.
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Yep. Watched the Grand Final, which was a fantastic game and Trinity were great all year. I have heard that the players may be riddled with the travel bug this year, as well as a few departures.
That and the fact that I think SKOBs, Xavs, Blues, Bernards and De La will be a class above, making it pretty hard for a top 4 finish. But hey, when Iezzi went down last year, lots of people wrote them off and the made the big dance.
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The complaint is about thirds and fourths quality. Not senior (1sts) quality. Once you realise/understand/accept the context, it should make sense.
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Hopefully you can ubdetstand/ realise/accept that. Do u think if West Brunswick had 200 players D grade standard or below people would be complaining about the strength of their thirds ?
Yes. The reason the thirds and fourth quality is perceived to be so good is due to the strength of their seniors and reserves so it is related to the quality of the seniors and reserves .
Hopefully you can ubdetstand/ realise/accept that. Do u think if West Brunswick had 200 players D grade standard or below people would be complaining about the strength of their thirds ?
It’s also related to overall numbers – Xavs and SKOBs have more than twice the number of registered players as OC and OT.
And if there were D grade 3rds and WB had 200 plus players then some clubs may well suggest that the WB 3rds play in a higher grade. However as there is not it is not relevant.
Yes.. It's numbers and quality
What a terrible 4-5 pages of absolute drivel. Arguing about who is a super power and who isn't. Sounds like a case of small man syndrome to me.
Talk of SKOB having more support staff than other clubs.....really. Is the size of ones football department now the measure of being a super power?
God help us all.
If you look at the AFL over the past 10-15 years, Brisbane, Geelong and Hawthorn come to mind as super powers. Collingwood is a big club who have drastically underachieved and bagged one premiership along the way. They would probably claim to have the biggest football department and the biggest spend (maybe hawthorn).
The banter around recruits over the pre season has been mind you entertaining. Some teams topping up well and some seem to have lost a few.
The race is certainly on.
Sounds like the Cardinals have finally lost their rebounding half back flanker to TH King. I sincerely hope this is the case because with the AFL tag that will follow him will only heighten expectations even further.
Rubbish. As another example Fitzroy in 2007 fielded 5 teams. Two clubbies teams often smashed many of their opponents and the opposition at THAT level bemoaned the fact FFC had players who were better than club XVIII standard running around in THAT comp.
Seniors win 4 games for the year and the club was relegated.
Forget your obsession with the moniker "superpower" and focus on the basic point. Player rated 75 at OX and SKOB is a far better quality of player than at OC and OT (if they even exist). Not necessarily because their seniors are so jammed with stars, it's just that they have far more handy players supporting their senior two teams.
If you can't understand that, frankly I'm done.
Rubbish. As another example Fitzroy in 2007 fielded 5 teams. Two clubbies teams often smashed many of their opponents and the opposition at THAT level bemoaned the fact FFC had players who were better than club XVIII standard running around in THAT comp.
Seniors win 4 games for the year and the club was relegated.
Forget your obsession with the moniker "superpower" and focus on the basic point. Player rated 75 at OX and SKOB is a far better quality of player than at OC and OT (if they even exist). Not necessarily because their seniors are so jammed with stars, it's just that they have far more handy players supporting their senior two teams.
If you can't understand that, frankly I'm done.
Admittedly Clubbies is a different set-up to a 3rds side. Clubbies can contain champion players who generally can't commit to the club to train but still want a kick, or who just want to play with mates. 3rds are legitimately your third rung of players in terms of ability.
You only need look (again) at OX's clubbies over the decade to see a side that would probably beat their own 2nds, and certainly their 3rds. Most years that side was made up entirely of OX players that had played first 18 at school.
Yet Collegians had two 3rds sides in the last few years and finished 8th in Premier in the senior side last season. Large numbers of players does not equate to senior success (but sure it helps). (Of course i read this again and realise that Collegians have played in something like 5 of the last 9 A grade grand finals!)
I actually have no idea what point i'm making. I probably pose more of a question around what makes up this 'Super power' definition (or is it even apt)? In terms of on-field success Collegians would be right up there (recent and past history as well considering they also have the most A grade flags of any club), but they run on a shoe-string budget at the Trott, and traditionally always have, so off-field 'performance' probably has them somewhere in the middle of the pack at best. I don't believe that they've ever had a perception of being a 'super power'. A foundation club sure, but not a 'super power'.
Rubbish. As another example Fitzroy in 2007 fielded 5 teams. Two clubbies teams often smashed many of their opponents and the opposition at THAT level bemoaned the fact FFC had players who were better than club XVIII standard running around in THAT comp.
Seniors win 4 games for the year and the club was relegated.
Forget your obsession with the moniker "superpower" and focus on the basic point. Player rated 75 at OX and SKOB is a far better quality of player than at OC and OT (if they even exist). Not necessarily because their seniors are so jammed with stars, it's just that they have far more handy players supporting their senior two teams.
If you can't understand that, frankly I'm done.
As Penski rightly pointed out clubbies are a very different beast so your comparison isn't valid . We are talking about thirds .
It is clear that you like to win on here . If only all the sides you coached had won more often !
Rubbish. As another example Fitzroy in 2007 fielded 5 teams. Two clubbies teams often smashed many of their opponents and the opposition at THAT level bemoaned the fact FFC had players who were better than club XVIII standard running around in THAT comp.
Seniors win 4 games for the year and the club was relegated.
Forget your obsession with the moniker "superpower" and focus on the basic point. Player rated 75 at OX and SKOB is a far better quality of player than at OC and OT (if they even exist). Not necessarily because their seniors are so jammed with stars, it's just that they have far more handy players supporting their senior two teams.
If you can't understand that, frankly I'm done.
As Penski rightly pointed out clubbies are a very different beast so your comparison isn't valid . We are talking about thirds .
It is clear that you like to win on here . If only all the sides you coached had won more often !
Cheap shot!
Four seasons I coached sides in the VAFA. 72 regular games for 40 wins (11, 13, 11 and 5) and 32 losses. Just under 56%. Lost both finals we played though.
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I'm on your side on this one Scribe, reserves finals are a different beast with qualifications for players having played too many or not enough games, both teams playing on the same day etc.
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I'm not quite seeing the relevance to the original subject - the relative depth/strength of OX/SKOB versus OT/OC.
Anyhow if you choose not to play the ball, it's usually because you're not travelling very well.
I'm not quite seeing the relevance to the original subject - the relative depth/strength of OX/SKOB versus OT/OC.
Anyhow if you choose not to play the ball, it's usually because you're not travelling very well.
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Don't you luv muppets who know nothing and strut around like he is the bees knees.
Bring of Footy season so we can really have some decent discussions.
I'm not quite seeing the relevance to the original subject - the relative depth/strength of OX/SKOB versus OT/OC.
Anyhow if you choose not to play the ball, it's usually because you're not travelling very well.
Travelling better than your coaching record !
Don't ever feel you have to justify your record here. You are one of very few posters over the years who has had the intestinal fortitude to take on the demanding caper. Coaches don't last the length of time you have without possessing good teaching skills and having a sound knowledge of the game.
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