Review R10: The Good, Bad and the Ugly vs. Collingwood

[feenix67]

I'm agreeing with you on plenty of things. That system is coachable, that tactics are coachable, that 2 minute drills are coachavle, that Nicks sucks.

All of those example in your first paragraph are what coaches do.

Dangerfield isn't the same as most players. It didnt matter who he was coached by. He still had it.

I thinkn youre getting your arguments mixed up now mate.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

Good:

Peatling with a big smile on his face when an opponent caught him high. We need more players like that. Guys that relish contact and love to get into the muck.

 

[1970crow]

Treating me like I'm 8 is reflective of yourself.

By all accounts Nicks is incredibly popular within the club and playing group.

Supporters, including myself, hating him is not impacting the team.

Or are you suggesting you know of player discontent?

Why would players crapping the bed have to he due to discontent?

 

[crows dude]

Good:
Dawson
Fogarty

Bad:
Nankervis
Milera
Cumming
ANB
Keays
Worrall
Gary ****ing Lyon blatantly barracking for them all game.

Ugly:
We’ve got the worst midfield in the league - STILL - after having been bottom 8 and having a stack of high draft picks for 6 years.
Goalkicking!
Matthew Nicks is a terrible coach

Also - could someone PLEASE TELL Rory Laird that he is allowed to actually kick the ball to his team mates, and not straight up in the ****ing sky?! It’s like clockwork!

Have only had the below picks under 15 from draft 2020 onwards
Thilthorpe
Pedlar
Rachele
Curtin
Draper
Rankine - via trade
Dawson - trade

So 7 picks under 15 used. Only Draper drafted as a mid. Rankine and Dawson traded in and have come mids.

 

[davos44]

Good:
Fought hard, pretty even game.
Dawson, Fogarty, Hinge, and MM all great.
Curtin played really well
Zac Taylor did some nice things and looked like he had time.
Laird was busy and did some good stuff
We have them again this year.
Some of the movement in the last quarter with kicks to HF where Soligo and Rachele took marks was superb.

Bad:
5 minutes decided the outcome, stupid 50s, awful umpiring decisions and skills let us down
Poor entries into the F50. Did quite handle the conditions well.
Keays, Cumming and ANB let us down.


Ugly:
The weather.
We couldn't capitalise on their mistakes, yes it was a slippery fumbly game but they were just cleaner in the first quarter with their F50 entries.
Nankervis does some awful things defensively and then does some wonderful things.

Were a good team, not a great team.

Be patient, it's a developing side which is moving in the right direction.

Sid Draper is probably our next evolution, that real impact player.

 

[crows dude]

Good:

Peatling with a big smile on his face when an opponent caught him high. We need more players like that. Guys that relish contact and love to get into the muck.

It was an ex team mate of his. So they had a bit of a laugh together

 

[Firewalker]

Here's just a good example of selection integrity. If Charlie Edwards plays instead of Brodie Smith two weeks ago, and then stayed in for Milera when Hinge came back for Smih, Charlie would have had a couple of games under his belt and now experienced a pressure cooker game on the G. Instead, he's still "banging down the door" in the Twos. That's what shits me the most about this coaching panel. And it's exactly the outcome of not trusting your players.

I don’t disagree but of course what would’ve happened with Edwards is he would have been scapegoated after this game and not likely seen for nearly the rest of the year like other youngsters like Taylor and Nankervis are probably going to be.

 

[CrowToon]

I thinkn youre getting your arguments mixed up now mate.

I would argue I have been consistent but have been dealing with multiple people telling me what they think my arguments are.

 

[CrowToon]

Why would players crapping the bed have to he due to discontent?

I'm not the one arguing that players missing has something to do with Nicks. You'd have to ask them.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

It was an ex team mate of his. So they had a bit of a laugh together

Perryman was it? I think the point is still valid though. Peatling loves the contest.

 

[CrowBloke]

Alli think is everyone on this board seems to blame him for everything,

Fair reply, thanks.
If he's to be given credit for any/all of the wins, he must take responsibility and be held accountable for the losses.
AND his losses are twice as many as his wins, over 5 years = a shit Coach.

Rankine is one of our most talented and skilled players and he kicked 2 out on the full!!! How is that Nicks fault?

It's a reasonable question.
Rankine IS one of our most talented and skillful players,
BUT
does it look to you like he's playing to his potential now, or that he's better now than when we got him because of anything, ANYTHING AT ALL, that he's learned from Nicks?
I do not.
How about Soligo? several others, as well?
Even Dawson, who looks like he has the weight of the world on his shoulders and can be jaw-droppingly brillliant; has he improved under Nicks?

But wait, there's more ... we lost today in almost identical fashion to how we lose, when we lose.
Has Nicks learned? Has he improved, re: selection, Game Plan, preparation, gameday moves to counter adverse opposition gameplay etc etc? I would day, no, he has not.
Worst of all, he blames the players for losses like today's.

I'd say that under a better Coach, with a better team system, with a tough, ruthless, winning culture + real pride in personal performance and execution,
then YES,
Rankine would have nailed those 2 veryVERY gettable shots @ goal (not long after, Cameron, one of their talls had a similar shot for goal and nailed it, and he's not half the player Rankine is!).

 

[Pilchard_Adams]

I don't think it was Nicks kicking from 20 out dead in front, and missing. That was Curtin.

It was Rankine kicking 3 out on the full, not Nicks.

It wasn't Nicks who knocked the ball out of the Collingwood players hands giving 50m away and a goal.

For all Nicks faults, these were major mistakes by players with proven goal accuracy, proven discipline and good decision making. They just stuffed up, and you can't have this many stuff ups against the best side on their home deck.

Milera shirked a smother, resulted in a goal. That one annoyed me.

Keays, ANB, Cummins invisible. Should have subbed either of those as Tex is a game breaker. Bloke can turn it on like the best of them.

 

[pjcrows]

Our team is arguably a bit better "to the eye" than the last couple of years due to some recruits and some natural improvement of talent.

It is absolutely no different when it comes to coaching, which is why we can't beat the same teams.

The issue is not our takent, it is our coaching and selection. It is so obvious.

 

[Cromulant]

I don't think it was Nicks kicking from 20 out dead in front, and missing. That was Curtin.

It was Rankine kicking 3 out on the full, not Nicks.

It wasn't Nicks who knocked the ball out of the Collingwood players hands giving 50m away and a goal.

For all Nicks faults, these were major mistakes by players with proven goal accuracy, proven discipline and good decision making. They just stuffed up, and you can't have this many stuff ups against the best side on their home deck.

Milera shirked a smother, resulted in a goal. That one annoyed me.

Keays, ANB, Cummins invisible. Should have subbed either of those as Tex is a game breaker. Bloke can turn it on like the best of them.

Tex hasnt done that all year

 

[feenix67]

I would argue I have been consistent but have been dealing with multiple people telling me what they think my arguments are.

You said to me that making a connection with coaching mindset and handling big moments was "tenuous". You've been given plenty of reasons (a catalogue of reasons by GreyCrow ) why your position is wrong.

For further reference, I urge you to listen to Nicks pressers during the week and post match. If you think his mindset doesn't instill a tentative mindset in the players, then that's fine. You'd just be wrong.

 

[CrowBloke]

Don't think we can blame this one on Nicks (although why he doesn't start Berry and have Taylor as sub is beyond me). Berry comes on and suddenly Soligo looks better.

Uhhhh ... didn't you just blame Nicks for the above?
(I agree with you, btw )

Today is squarely on the players.

Player execution under pressure is on the Coach who instils it in them via training, work ethic, clear roles, non-favoritism selections, discipline, innovative and motivating Game Plans and Gameday changes etc etc.
The Crows are running not on 98-category fuel, but on the fumes of Nicks' incompetence.

 

[CrowToon]

I don't think it was Nicks kicking from 20 out dead in front, and missing. That was Curtin.

It was Rankine kicking 3 out on the full, not Nicks.

It wasn't Nicks who knocked the ball out of the Collingwood players hands giving 50m away and a goal.

For all Nicks faults, these were major mistakes by players with proven goal accuracy, proven discipline and good decision making. They just stuffed up, and you can't have this many stuff ups against the best side on their home deck.

Milera shirked a smother, resulted in a goal. That one annoyed me.

Keays, ANB, Cummins invisible. Should have subbed either of those as Tex is a game breaker. Bloke can turn it on like the best of them.

Go well, son.

 

[1970crow]

Sometimes coaches are popular with players because they help them be winners. Sometimes coaches are popular with players because they make them feel good, regardless of success.

We obviously have the latter.

‘Nix is awesome, we can miss training and meetings to pick the kids up from school or go to the opening of a telephone box. It’s such a great culture yea created here, we’re all very happy.’

 

[CrowToon]

You said to me that making a connection with coaching mindset and handling big moments was "tenuous". You've been given plenty of reasons (a catalogue of reasons by GreyCrow ) why your position is wrong.

For further reference, I urge you to listen to Nicks pressers during the week and post match. If you think his mindset doesn't instill a tentative mindset in the players, then that's fine. You'd just be wrong.

It takes a fair level of arrogance to assume you are in someone else's head.

 

[Pilchard_Adams]

Tex hasnt done that all year

Was Cumming more likely to break the game open? ANB? That game needed someone to grab it by the scruff of the neck and crack it open with something special. Tex may not have done it this year in your opinion, but at least he has that ability.

 

[jirkago1975]

Fair reply, thanks.
If he's to be given credit for any/all of the wins, he must take responsibility and be held accountable for the losses.
AND his losses are twice as many as his wins, over 5 years = a shit Coach.

It's a reasonable question.
Rankine IS one of our most talented and skillful players,
BUT
does it look to you like he's playing to his potential now, or that he's better now than when we got him because of anything, ANYTHING AT ALL, that he's learned from Nicks?
I do not.
How about Soligo? several others, as well?
Even Dawson, who looks like he has the weight of the world on his shoulders and can be jaw-droppingly brillliant; has he improved under Nicks?

But wait, there's more ... we lost today in almost identical fashion to how we lose, when we lose.
Has Nicks learned? Has he improved, re: selection, Game Plan, preparation, gameday moves to counter adverse opposition gameplay etc etc? I would day, no, he has not.
Worst of all, he blames the players for losses like today's.

I'd say that under a better Coach, with a better team system, with a tough, ruthless, winning culture + real pride in personal performance and execution,
then YES,
Rankine would have nailed those 2 veryVERY gettable shots @ goal (not long after, Cameron, one of their talls had a similar shot for goal and nailed it, and he's not half the player Rankine is!).

I agree with you that we lose the same way. If nicks can’t make finals, he need to quit. I hate the way our back line works, whoever is the coach isn’t getting the best out of a talented back line.
Soligo has been poor, Nank looks confused, ANB must be the slowest player in the AFL and Cumming just isn’t doing enough.
Nicks asked for the 3 recruits and all the pressure is on him to make finals.

I question his use of Dawson continually and think at times when we are under the pump or he’s getting tagged to put him back. Or rest him forward to rest . Think we could do better with him.

We all hope a new coach could fix all the issues and get them to be a finals contender. The irritation is that every loss is Nicks fault, players need to take accountability for their performances. they are all getting paid handsomely to play the game they love.

Nick’s responsibility is to make everything work and if it doesn’t, he’s gone. The board gets tiresome when after every loss it on him. We as a club need to be better!! And if he doesn’t work out, so be it

 

[imagifED]

If we opened the game up a bit more, maybe we would've created more and better shots at goal??? and those misses wouldn't have mattered as much???

 

[Carmo]

Missed the first quarter but thought it was a great game.
An arm wrestle plus a chess match, those are my favourite sorts of games.
Feel we controlled large parts of the game, we had times when we lead in the first, second and third quarters, so they had to work their asses off or we would've beaten them.
Happy that we tried some new things, had people controlling Daicos for once, a lot of rotations in the midfield it seemed, some more aggressive ruck taps and midfield setups (still not aggressive enough for me though).
We had some bad mistakes but so did they, don't think there was a big difference between teams in that regard.
It was interesting how both teams seemed to be tentative and work the ball up to about 80m from goal and then went quick into the forward line, we were especially noticeable at doing it, don't remember that from previous games.
Most players were ok, good to see Curtin taking more strides, thought it was a pretty even contribution.
Rather be us than Brisbane and losing to them by over 50 points but also would've loved to had done a Geelong and beaten them, maybe at home we will.

 

[Cromulant]

Was Cumming more likely to break the game open? ANB? That game needed someone to grab it by the scruff of the neck and crack it open with something special. Tex may not have done it this year in your opinion, but at least he has that ability.

It's not an opinion, it's fact.

In a game that did not suit 3 tall forwards, he was the right player to take off.

There's no argument

 

[Danger in Texas]

Dawson and Rankine played 89% today and Soligo 76%. Dawson is at 83% for the season, Rankine 82%, Soligo 77% and Soligo looks hurt at the moment and is still getting more time than a fit Peatling?

Endurance isn’t a huge strength of Peatling’s