Preview R14: Changes vs. Sydney Swans

[jackster83]

It's absurd to just rewrite history to fit your narrative. "Yeah but 97 and 98 don't count" ..... Wtf?

North Melbourne were awesome in the 1990's too.

For both clubs it's a distant memory as we both suck hard and have for years. Glenn Archer did to them what Roo did to us.

 

[Southerntakeover]

IMO we saw something very similar in 05/06 and again in 16/17, just couldn't get over the hump. I think we were more dominant in 05/06 and 16/17 and had some bad luck cost us. 97/98 we had the rub of the green and some brilliant coaching.

Our luck in 97 was worse than 2006. The Coleman Medallist goes down in the prelim, and the brownlow medal leading player goes down for the season.

The difference is the coaching. Which is kind of why it is the outlier period in Crows history. It was the only time we've had a coach who was prepared to do the hard things like throw out the club stalwarts that had never led to success, or who had a brain for in game coaching and would make changes if he thought it had a chance of working or would try something different even if its a grand final.

For some reason our club decided that Neil Craig was really the driving force of those premierships and adopted his stale sterile philosophies as our core tennents, and we've been doing the same shit ever since. Back your game plan. Just do that better. Never change. Seniors run the roost, younger players need to marinade in the SANFL for years.

It's kind of jarring when you work out that 1998 was probably the last time we won a final as a genuine underdog. In all that time, what other game could you claim? Maybe 2015? And yet you can stack up a sizeable list of finals we've lost from the favoured position: 2005 to saints, 2006 to eagles, 2007, 2008, 2012 to Swans.

In the club as it currently is 97 would be a hard luck injury story, and 1998 would be a story about how you couldn't beat one of the greatest teams of all time and its bad luck they happened to be up at that time.

This isn't just bad luck or happenstance. This is the identity we've earned. And if we want to turn it around, we need to do things differently.

 

[FullyBigKPro]

Our luck in 97 was worse than 2006. The Coleman Medallist goes down in the prelim, and the brownlow medal leading player goes down for the season.

The difference is the coaching. Which is kind of why it is the outlier period in Crows history. It was the only time we've had a coach who was prepared to do the hard things like throw out the club stalwarts that had never led to success, or who had a brain for in game coaching and would make changes if he thought it had a chance of working or would try something different even if its a grand final.

For some reason our club decided that Neil Craig was really the driving force of those premierships and adopted his stale sterile philosophies as our core tennents, and we've been doing the same shit ever since. Back your game plan. Just do that better. Never change. Seniors run the roost, younger players need to marinade in the SANFL for years.

It's kind of jarring when you work out that 1998 was probably the last time we won a final as a genuine underdog. In all that time, what other game could you claim? Maybe 2015? And yet you can stack up a sizeable list of finals we've lost from the favoured position: 2005 to saints, 2006 to eagles, 2007, 2008, 2012 to Swans.

In the club as it currently is 97 would be a hard luck injury story, and 1998 would be a story about how you couldn't beat one of the greatest teams of all time and its bad luck they happened to be up at that time.

This isn't just bad luck or happenstance. This is the identity we've earned. And if we want to turn it around, we need to do things differently.

I still feel somehow we sold our soul to the VFL footy Gods to win those 97/98 flags and have been cruelly cursed ever since...

 

[Southerntakeover]

Would the 2024 Crows have put Andrew McLeod

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in the midfield at half time of the 97 prelim? Or would it decide that he hadn't earned his place yet.

 

[Southerntakeover]

I still feel somehow we sold our soul to the VFL footy Gods to win those 97/98 flags and have been cruelly cursed ever since...

Nah, no passive analysis. We have done this to us.

 

[jackster83]

Would the 2024 Crows have put Andrew McLeod in the midfield at half time of the 97 prelim? Or would it decide that he hadn't earned his place yet.

Goodwin and Johnson would still be running around in the two's, while Greg Anderson and Tony McGuinness would still be out there.

 

[Redleg Crow]

Goodwin and Johnson would still be running around in the two's, while Greg Anderson and Tony McGuinness would still be out there.

Greg Anderson - Hall of Famer for running past the player who just got a free kick looking for the quick give.

 

[bigman]

I wonder why we don’t try two rucks to see how it works when up against two rucks from opposition such as Grundy and mclean. Hurt us last week when Strauchnie had to go off.

Strauchnie actually looked dangerous up forward at times and gave us a different look up forward

Burgess is not the man to play that role

Also gives ROB a chop out. He can then come out and play with some greater energy when he gets on field

Could not have been less effective than what we had from baby John last week

With dragon back after bye then filthy some time after we then pick the best ruck at the time

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

I wonder why we don’t try two rucks to see how it works when up against two rucks from opposition. Hurt us last week when Strauchnie had to go off.

Strauchnie actually looked dangerous up forward at times and gave us a different look up forward

Burgess is not the man to play that role

Also gives ROB a chop out. He can then come out and play with some greater energy when he gets on field

Could not have been less effective than what we had from baby John last week

With dragon back after bye then filthy some time after we then pick the best ruck at the time

Because it’s not part of Nicks paint by numbers approach to coaching.

Nicks formula is one genuine ruckman only. Cannot deviate from the formula at all.

Are you crazy?

 

[Betts are off]

Would the 2024 Crows have put Andrew McLeod in the midfield at half time of the 97 prelim? Or would it decide that he hadn't earned his place yet.

He would have been dropped at the halfway point of the season

 

[Samcro24]

It's absurd to just rewrite history to fit your narrative. "Yeah but 97 and 98 don't count" ..... Wtf?

Because in this context they don’t.

It’s ancient history, happened last century.

The culture the Adelaide Crows have adopted is the one that Trigg and Craig gave us, not Sanders and Blight.

So, once again, tell me why I’m wrong. And “because we went back to back almost 30 years ago” is not an answer.

 

[weekend at bernies]

Would the 2024 Crows have put Andrew McLeod in the midfield at half time of the 97 prelim? Or would it decide that he hadn't earned his place yet.

Nicks would back in Jarman, McDermott and McGuiness to get the job done.

 

[Captain Furious]

I wonder why we don’t try two rucks to see how it works when up against two rucks from opposition such as Grundy and mclean. Hurt us last week when Strauchnie had to go off.

Strauchnie actually looked dangerous up forward at times and gave us a different look up forward

Burgess is not the man to play that role

Also gives ROB a chop out. He can then come out and play with some greater energy when he gets on field

Could not have been less effective than what we had from baby John last week

With dragon back after bye then filthy some time after we then pick the best ruck at the time

Because neither of our ruckman can actually play football.

 

[Captain Furious]

Our luck in 97 was worse than 2006. The Coleman Medallist goes down in the prelim, and the brownlow medal leading player goes down for the season.

The difference is the coaching. Which is kind of why it is the outlier period in Crows history. It was the only time we've had a coach who was prepared to do the hard things like throw out the club stalwarts that had never led to success, or who had a brain for in game coaching and would make changes if he thought it had a chance of working or would try something different even if its a grand final.

For some reason our club decided that Neil Craig was really the driving force of those premierships and adopted his stale sterile philosophies as our core tennents, and we've been doing the same shit ever since. Back your game plan. Just do that better. Never change. Seniors run the roost, younger players need to marinade in the SANFL for years.

It's kind of jarring when you work out that 1998 was probably the last time we won a final as a genuine underdog. In all that time, what other game could you claim? Maybe 2015? And yet you can stack up a sizeable list of finals we've lost from the favoured position: 2005 to saints, 2006 to eagles, 2007, 2008, 2012 to Swans.

In the club as it currently is 97 would be a hard luck injury story, and 1998 would be a story about how you couldn't beat one of the greatest teams of all time and its bad luck they happened to be up at that time.

This isn't just bad luck or happenstance. This is the identity we've earned. And if we want to turn it around, we need to do things differently.

Lil harsh on Craig. I’d take Blight any day but 05 & 06 were the only time in our history we were clearly the best side in the comp.

 

[AFC979810]

Our luck in 97 was worse than 2006. The Coleman Medallist goes down in the prelim, and the brownlow medal leading player goes down for the season.

Not so sure about that. We lost our two best forwards for the finals (Hentschel and Roo) and dragged our 3rd best forward who was underdone back for the prelim. That combined with losing Biglands to an ACL and watching

The difference is the coaching. Which is kind of why it is the outlier period in Crows history. It was the only time we've had a coach who was prepared to do the hard things like throw out the club stalwarts that had never led to success, or who had a brain for in game coaching and would make changes if he thought it had a chance of working or would try something different even if its a grand final.

For some reason our club decided that Neil Craig was really the driving force of those premierships and adopted his stale sterile philosophies as our core tennents, and we've been doing the same shit ever since. Back your game plan. Just do that better. Never change. Seniors run the roost, younger players need to marinade in the SANFL for years.

It's kind of jarring when you work out that 1998 was probably the last time we won a final as a genuine underdog. In all that time, what other game could you claim? Maybe 2015? And yet you can stack up a sizeable list of finals we've lost from the favoured position: 2005 to saints, 2006 to eagles, 2007, 2008, 2012 to Swans.

In the club as it currently is 97 would be a hard luck injury story, and 1998 would be a story about how you couldn't beat one of the greatest teams of all time and its bad luck they happened to be up at that time.

It was a dream run with some brilliance in coaching no doubt. But to win a flag you also need some luck. A 50/50 goal umpiring decision in that prelim and its a completely different story.

97/98 was a run similar to your Eagles Superbowl win a few years ago.

This isn't just bad luck or happenstance. This is the identity we've earned. And if we want to turn it around, we need to do things differently.

I disagree. It's too simplistic to lump the past 24 years down to being the same - especially when we have had so many different CEO's, Coaches and results.

People trying to say the Walsh/Pyke Era is the same as the Nicks Era is just crazy.

 

[Scorpus]

Lil harsh on Craig. I’d take Blight any day but 05 & 06 were the only time in our history we were clearly the best side in the comp.

How can you be clearly the best side in the competition if you don't even make the grand final?

 

[AFC979810]

How can you be clearly the best side in the competition if you don't even make the grand final?

Because your best player / captain has a brain fade one year and Parvo the next...

 

[Southerntakeover]

And

Not so sure about that. We lost our two best forwards for the finals (Hentschel and Roo) and dragged our 3rd best forward who was underdone back for the prelim. That combined with losing Biglands to an ACL and watching



It was a dream run with some brilliance in coaching no doubt. But to win a flag you also need some luck. A 50/50 goal umpiring decision in that prelim and its a completely different story.

97/98 was a run similar to your Eagles Superbowl win a few years ago.



I disagree. It's too simplistic to lump the past 24 years down to being the same - especially when we have had so many different CEO's, Coaches and results.

People trying to say the Walsh/Pyke Era is the same as the Nicks Era is just crazy.

The league's best forward and midfielder missing outweighs anything the 06 team faced. And they didn't have a home prelim to compensate for it.

If there's any comparison to that Eagles team it's that Blight is the only coach we've had that would have called the Philly special. That team made its luck. But the Eagles as a franchise made a second Superbowl five years later with a new quarterback and coach because they're not prepared to sit static and trust doing the same things that fail. They're not the Crows

In terms of the last part: it's too simplistic to say names have changed. The ship of the Argonauts. You can rotate personnel, but if you hire hem based upon the same philosophies and criteria?

What has meaningfully differed in our clubs game selection approach for 20 years?

 

[TRP1996]

Who was the last Crow to not have to be blasted out of the club?

... didn't Luke Brown go relatively gracefully? Or am I misremembering?

 

[Southerntakeover]

How can you be clearly the best side in the competition if you don't even make the grand final?

Our head to head record against the Eagles in that era is enough to put the idea to bed.

 

[Geoffa32]

We will probably win this game.

Frustratingly....

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[Crowtel]

Mind blowing analysis from the post you quoted

Given that Frampton is a regular at Collingwood these days and still sucks, I would have thought people might stop trying to guess which players would make other teams best 22s.

Premiership player Billy Frampton is a better defensive forward than any of our defensive forwards.

And an improvement on Chris Burgess, mind you.

 

[davos44]

The selectors have done no favours by playing Smith out of form & also reverting him from wing to defence.

Should have dropped him after round 1 or 2 to find form in the sanfl... but they have preferred to slow Cook him to his own detriment & that of the team.

Really sums up our club this season.

That first kick he had against Hawthorn which went straight to a Hawks player was the end for him as an AFL player.

 

[bigman]

Since the Nicks appointment we have not beaten Sydney.

We have also not beaten Collingwood and i think Essendon under his tenure.

Interesting.

 

[Scorpus]

That first kick he had against Hawthorn which went straight to a Hawks player was the end for him as an AFL player.

Which was just a repeat of the same mistakes he was making in round 1 against Gold Coast