Play Nice Random Chat Thread IV

[Only Forwards]

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what do you think it’ll get replaced with?
my guess a combination of Silicon Valley Surveillance and private security..
it’ll bypass conventual norms and place a community organisation, privatise it and place it the hands of Uber wealthy, which is the American way.
interesting you say people in power wouldn’t want that?

It would depend upon how they rebuilt.

My understanding is the idea of Defunding the police is to take the funding that police have and then think about whether that money can be better utilized in different methods. If a city spends X$ on law enforcement, is that money better divided through prevention and social services to a greater extent along side cops who have had the bar reset on the barrier to entry raised and training improved.

Defunding the police isn't the absence of law enforcement, but the redistribution of the funding of police.

People in power wouldn't want that because if you critically deal with social issues you may upset the status quo, and they fear that.

 

[Liam Boy]

Indigenous Australians make up 3.3% of the population total.

Meaning if his stats are true that's an over representation by nearly what, a quarter of all people in prison.

That's the thing about stats, it depends on which ones you look at to prove what you say.

there's absolutely no relation between deaths in custody and percentage of the prison population. he's doing a cute little sleight of hand for his flat pancake brained audience who are looking for absolutely any version of "these lefties are overreacting." Once they've got it, without any further consideration they think "yep i knew my reactionary impulses were correct" and go about their merry way.

what he did was point to two statistics in which aboriginal people are shockingly, disgustingly over-represented but presenting them in such a way that a person could confuse "in prison" for "in custody" and then assume that that means white people are disproportionately killed in police custody (you'd need statistics on the demographic makeup of all people taken into police custody to do that.)

He knows exactly what he's doing, and that's what's so sickening about it. There's a media market for a young guy pandering to the bigotry of confused old people, and he's willing to knowingly broadcast falsehoods just to keep that audience angry, confused and misinformed.

 

[Val Keating]

Both Elmer Fudd and Yosemite Sam may look the same in the new Looney Tunes Cartoons that just launched on the streaming service, HBO Max, in the US. However, there’s one thing that’s different if you pay close enough attention: They no longer have guns.

Fudd doesn’t have his rifle that he uses to hunt the “wascawwy wabbit” and Sam doesn’t have his pistols. There are, however, still Acme dynamites on the show and Fudd has to expand his choice of weapons to fight his nemesis.


In one of the new episodes, Fudd uses a scythe to chase Bugs Bunny, who then uses explosives to blow Fudd up several times.

In an interview with The New York Times, the show’s executive producer Peter Browngardt said, “We’re not doing guns. But we can do cartoony violence – TNT, the Acme stuff. All that was kind of grandfathered in."

He added that this was in line with modernising the show and some of the characters may end up being a little different. He said, “We're going through this wave of anti-bullying, 'everyone needs to be friends', 'everyone needs to get along'.”

“Looney Toons is pretty much the antithesis of that. It’s two characters in conflict, sometimes getting pretty violent.”

FFS they can get in the bin with this crap.

Makes me want to make a cartoon where the main character is a human sized living gun with hands and the weapon they use is a gun and instead of bullets it fires bullet sized guns.

 

[giantroo]

 

[GarnerSmash]

1: I ain't no Lumumba fan. Dudes ego is so big it has its own gravity.

but...

2: If his nickname was chimp, well **** me dead, what a shithole club. Utter disgrace.

3: Good on the bloke for getting on the mushies to relieve his anxiety and depression. May many others, including governments, follow suit.

 

[DesertRoo]

It would depend upon how they rebuilt.

My understanding is the idea of Defunding the police is to take the funding that police have and then think about whether that money can be better utilized in different methods. If a city spends X$ on law enforcement, is that money better divided through prevention and social services to a greater extent along side cops who have had the bar reset on the barrier to entry raised and training improved.

Defunding the police isn't the absence of law enforcement, but the redistribution of the funding of police.

People in power wouldn't want that because if you critically deal with social issues you may upset the status quo, and they fear that.

So the idea is defund now and figure out the finer details later?
Come on man, don’t be so naive, people pushing for this have a well thought out strategy. Removing authority of the police force is going to create a power vacuum.
this is basic bourgeoisie and the proletariat stuff.. ie societies that allow the bourgeoisie to make moral decisions and formulate laws are unjust societies.

 

[Sopwiths North]

It would depend upon how they rebuilt.

My understanding is the idea of Defunding the police is to take the funding that police have and then think about whether that money can be better utilized in different methods. If a city spends X$ on law enforcement, is that money better divided through prevention and social services to a greater extent along side cops who have had the bar reset on the barrier to entry raised and training improved.

Defunding the police isn't the absence of law enforcement, but the redistribution of the funding of police.

People in power wouldn't want that because if you critically deal with social issues you may upset the status quo, and they fear that.

Too true OF. And agree with all the rest.

There's no across the board determination for how much is to be redistributed as of yet by the looks. Every city appears to be taking an individual approach, and as Tectonic pointed out on here a few pages back, defunding is not the same as disbanding. Minneapolis has voted for disbanding its entire police force, but it seems like most other cities that are talking about it at all are just talking about defunding. Which is essentially redirecting a portion of funds used on enforcement towards instead addressing root causes like homelessness and mental health. I mean, it does make sense. Toronto's Chief of Police earned $415,000 salary last year (he just resigned today), and yet there remains inadequate funding to address root social causes of crime. Se we fund that salary, but we don't have enough for the basics. We don't have enough when people need mental health supports to provide them, so when they have a crisis we send out the police, who aren't properly trained to deal with mental health crises, and only know how to deescalate with force and weapons.

As an example, in Edmonton they're considering refraining from an increase to the police budget this year and instead directing $75 million toward affordable housing and mental health programming, free public transit, and community organisations that support marginalised people. The current police budget is $388 million, and is the city's largest operating expense, at 15 per cent. (I don't live in Edmonton, it's just the first major Canadian city to be taking on the idea of defunding)

So it's not really the panic stations that some are making it out to be. "Defunding the police” isn’t as much about stripping police forces of resources needed to do their jobs and address crime but rather instituting reform and giving communities the support they need in areas that don’t require police involvement. A portion of funds that would have paid officers salaries would be used to pay for community interventions for situations that don’t warrant a police presence. It's not a call for the total abolition of police. It's more of a re-balancing. Like our fragile ecosystem the Earth, policing too has gotten out of balance. Defunding is just a way of rebalancing the system so that the end result can be more safety and less harm. Seems a fair thing to ask, or at least consider, at this point.

 

[DesertRoo]

There's no across the board determination for how much is to be redistributed as of yet by the looks. Every city appears to be taking an individual approach, and as Tectonic pointed out on here a few pages back, defunding is not the same as disbanding. Minneapolis has voted for disbanding its entire police force, but it seems like most other cities that are talking about it at all are just talking about defunding. Which is essentially redirecting a portion of funds used on enforcement towards instead addressing root causes like homelessness and mental health. I mean, it does make sense. Toronto's Chief of Police earned $415,000 salary last year (he just resigned today), and yet there remains inadequate funding to address root social causes of crime. Se we fund that salary, but we don't have enough for the basics. We don't have enough when people need mental health supports to provide them, so when they have a crisis we send out the police, who aren't properly trained to deal with mental health crises, and only know how to deescalate with force and weapons.

As an example, in Edmonton they're considering refraining from an increase to the police budget this year and instead directing $75 million toward affordable housing and mental health programming, free public transit, and community organisations that support marginalised people. The current police budget is $388 million, and is the city's largest operating expense, at 15 per cent. (I don't live in Edmonton, it's just the first major Canadian city to be taking on the idea of defunding)

So it's not really the panic stations that some are making it out to be. "Defunding the police” isn’t as much about stripping police forces of resources needed to do their jobs and address crime but rather instituting reform and giving communities the support they need in areas that don’t require police involvement. A portion of funds that would have paid officers salaries would be used to pay for community interventions for situations that don’t warrant a police presence. It's not a call for the total abolition of police. It's more of a re-balancing. Like our fragile ecosystem the Earth, policing too has gotten out of balance. Defunding is just a way of rebalancing the system so that the end result can be more safety and less harm. Seems a fair thing to ask, or at least consider, at this point.

Pushing for basic human services is not the same as defunding police..
That’s Goverment budgetary decision.

Defunding police and the basic premise behind is about creating a power vacuum. What happens during the next round of protests, with half the police present?

There will be more protests in the future. Because equality certainly won’t have been sorted out by then.

And what do you thinks going to happen to overworked, aggressive police force, if they have to deal with violent offenders.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Antifa dogs are distributing concrete ice cream.

 

[Sopwiths North]

Pushing for basic human services is not the same as defunding police..
That’s Goverment budgetary decision.

Defunding police and the basic premise behind is about creating a power vacuum. What happens during the next round of protests, with half the police present?

There will be more protests in the future. Because equality certainly won’t have been sorted out by then.

And what do you thinks going to happen to overworked, aggressive police force, if they have to deal with violent offenders.

If it's done gradually, and in correct balance, there shouldn't be a power vacuum, as the need for aggressive policing should decrease if social problems are reduced through money spent on prevention.

There'll still be a police force to deal with violent offenders. In fact, they will be less likely to be overworked if they don't have to be utilised answering a plethora of mental health-related calls on a daily basis.

I don't know if it will succeed or not DR, but I do think it's worth exploring how funds are currently being allocated, and seeing if they can be redistributed in a more effective way. The way they're doing it right now isn't working.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

1: I ain't no Lumumba fan. Dudes ego is so big it has its own gravity.

but...

2: If his nickname was chimp, well fu** me dead, what a shithole club. Utter disgrace.

3: Good on the bloke for getting on the mushies to relieve his anxiety and depression. May many others, including governments, follow suit.

I agree with 1. to the extent that my gut feel is that we would have heard about 2. long before today were it true.

He forgot to mention the bit where he got up at the B&F and told everyone a different story of himself and of Collingwood.

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[Caracas]

I agree with 1. to the extent that my gut feel is that we would have heard about 2. long before today were it true.

He forgot to mention the bit where he got up at the B&F and told everyone a different story of himself and of Collingwood.

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I thought his nickname was well known from years back. It came out in 2017. Andrew Krakoeur confirmed it at the time.


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[GarnerSmash]

Defunding the police to the point where they don't exist is simply a dumb idea. They, like most organisations that have humans at their core, have their issues, but these need to be resolved, and not by rubbing the police out of existence completely.



For those of you who watch Eric vid, here are the lyrics to Strange Fruit


Southern trees bear a strange fruit
Blood on the leaves and blood at the root
Black bodies swinging in the southern breeze
Strange fruit hanging from the poplar trees
Pastoral scene of the gallant South
The bulging eyes and the twisted mouth
Scent of magnolia, sweet and fresh
Then the sudden smell of burning flesh
Here is a fruit for the crows to pluck
For the rain to gather, for the wind to suck
For the sun to rot, for the tree to drop
Here is a strange and bitter crop

 

[LuvtheKangas]

I thought his nickname was well known from years back. It came out in 2017. Andrew Krakoeur confirmed it at the time.


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Really? I missed it then.

Agree that it's a disgrace if true.

 

[Rooboys Rool]

Geez, defunding / disbanding police forces and redirecting funding to prevention? Talk about putting the cart before the horse.

Whilst those prevention ideas sound like a good idea, they will be a slow burn in terms of effecting change. Would be far better to increase services for prevention and then decrease police funding gradually once it is clear what impact the prevention is making.

Obviously that would cost more, but it’s a decision that would need to be made in the context of overall budgets, not a prevention / policing either / or scenario.

 

[GarnerSmash]

Geez, defunding / disbanding police forces and redirecting funding to prevention? Talk about putting the cart before the horse.

Whilst those prevention ideas sound like a good idea, they will be slow burn in terms of effecting change. Would be far better to increase services for prevention and then decrease police funding once it is clear what impact the prevention is making.

Obviously that would cost more, but it’s a decision that would need to be made in the context of overall budgets, not a prevention / policing either / or scenario.

You fund the police force as required to protect society. If over time the requirement for protection decreases due to increased performance in prevention and social cohesion, then super, defund accordingly. But society based on statehood will always need a police force.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

If you link poverty to crime, you’ll need to radically reorganise the economy first.

 

[Gasometer]

Did no one here watch his documentary?

It was excellent

 

[DesertRoo]

If it's done gradually, and in correct balance, there shouldn't be a power vacuum, as the need for aggressive policing should decrease if social problems are reduced through money spent on prevention.

There'll still be a police force to deal with violent offenders. In fact, they will be less likely to be overworked if they don't have to be utilised answering a plethora of mental health-related calls on a daily basis.

I don't know if it will succeed or not DR, but I do think it's worth exploring how funds are currently being allocated, and seeing if they can be redistributed in a more effective way. The way they're doing it right now isn't working.

I would have faith in Australia, NZ or Canada to do the right thing. But this is emerica we’re talking about here. It’ll be privatising a public resource all the way.
They’ll be breaking new ground for sure, at least the Karen’s of the world would be happy with the result calling their private line.

 

[Val Keating]

Did no one here watch his documentary?

It was excellent

Lumumbas? Can’t recall it. His sister did a podcast called Silent Waves that was very good. His family has had more then their fare share of tough times. His step dad was an absolute scumbag

 

[Gasometer]

Lumumbas? Can’t recall it. His sister did a podcast called Silent Waves that was very good. His family has had more then their fare share of tough times. His step dad was an absolute scumbag

I can’t remember how I watched it now. Iirc it was online.

 

[giantroo]

Satellite images suggest coronavirus started earlier than first reported

Satellite images of hospital parking lots in Wuhan suggest coronavirus started months earlier than originally thought.

Satellite images expose China’s virus lie

Satellite images of hospital parking lots in Wuhan suggest the coronavirus – which stemmed from the Chinese city – may have been spreading in China as early as last August.

www.news.com.au

 

[Go_Roos!]

Satellite images suggest coronavirus started earlier than first reported

Satellite images of hospital parking lots in Wuhan suggest coronavirus started months earlier than originally thought.

Satellite images expose China’s virus lie

Satellite images of hospital parking lots in Wuhan suggest the coronavirus – which stemmed from the Chinese city – may have been spreading in China as early as last August.

www.news.com.au

What a surprise!

 

[Tas]

It would depend upon how they rebuilt.

My understanding is the idea of Defunding the police is to take the funding that police have and then think about whether that money can be better utilized in different methods. If a city spends X$ on law enforcement, is that money better divided through prevention and social services to a greater extent along side cops who have had the bar reset on the barrier to entry raised and training improved.

Defunding the police isn't the absence of law enforcement, but the redistribution of the funding of police.

People in power wouldn't want that because if you critically deal with social issues you may upset the status quo, and they fear that.

If you had social harmony you wouldn't need police at all, but we don't have social harmony in a system where resources are scarce. Before police, the people who had material wealth were the people who could stop someone else from taking that wealth from them by force. in order to do so they wielded force and if they wielded enough force they had political power. Nobody elected the royal families, they emerged from general lawlessness to provide law, order and certainty.

If there is no police, what do property rights mean when there is no system to protect those rights? Say you worked had and bought a nice car and someone envied it and just decided it was much easier to take it from you. There will always be force used, if that isn't in the form of systemic force either through military or the police, it will be via gangs, cartels or other forms of organised crime that apply their own sets of laws upon people. If there are no police and a crime lord decides the city is now his and he strong arms everyone to pay him "protection fees" then who is going to stop him, the feel good hippies?

Defunding police is about power and power is something that exists in the present form and people want to change the rules because they perceive they can get an advantage and wield power, this is the same mistake every nation makes when they go down the road of socialism or communism, it is the same play to take power from an existing group and give it to another. You can have grand dreams about what that fairytale is going to look like, but in reality, it typically turns out like Venezuela, where one of the richest countries in latin America has been turned into a shithole country by people who think they know better, or understand humanity better, or are on the right side of history. There is always going to be a strongman that comes to power that realises he can take everything for himself instead of giving it to the people.

Whichever thugs you pass power to instead of the police are going to be the ones determining property rights and if it is not a centralised system which follows a strict set of rules and chain of command (ie police), then it is going to be a bunch of corrupt cronies who will be no different to organised crime syndicates. Pick a shithole country to choose from where police are impotent for a crystal ball view of how it is going to pan out.

if this is even contemplated seriously, there will be a mass exodus of everyone with wealth who can get out in time and as much as you might fool yourself into thinking that will be better for the community, it is basically what slums are, if you think turning an entire city into a slum is a good thing. The only people who want to see that are anarchists, because that army of slummers are just going to be the disenfranchised that they can weaponise into the form of violence and mayhem that will help to destroy democracy and a modern society. There are a lot of lawless shithole countries, anarchists don't want to go there, they want their iphones and their lattes and all the creature comforts of capitalism, anarchy leads to a horrible existence. They just don't like being without power.

 

[Val Keating]

He’s not wrong. Could you imagine?