No Oppo Supporters Re-signing Tex, Danger and Sloane *** Crows Only ***

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

It would be a ringing endorsement of the new Ricciuto Fagan Walsh regime if we went into the season with Dangerfield, Sloane and Walker all locked away. Creates the kind of feel-good momentum that you can build a good start to the season upon.

 

[Glenno23]

It would be a ringing endorsement of the new Ricciuto Fagan Walsh regime if we went into the season with Dangerfield, Sloane and Walker all locked away. Creates the kind of feel-good momentum that you can build a good start to the season upon.

It would be awesome indeed, but i think we as supporters need to respect the fact that Dangerfield has every right to "wait and see" what the new admin/coaching group can do before making his mind up.... our last admin was more keystone cops than it was NYPD Blue

Sure, it'd be awesome to have it out the way and "less of a distraction" but the players these days are pros. It won't effect him on game day when we need him most

Lets just hope that Roo (who will be the prime driver in his ear telling him to stay) Fagan and Walsh can really impact the club quickly. All of the right sounds are coming out so far, lets hope they can do enough!

 

[spenze]

I actually think he is already signed and we are just holding off on the announcement until we have a bad loss that puts us 0-4 to the season. It is the AFC way...there must have ben hell to pay when Tex signing got out during the off season, must have cost somebody their job.

 

[Pugsley]

I actually think he is already signed and we are just holding off on the announcement until we have a bad loss that puts us 0-4 to the season. It is the AFC way...there must have ben hell to pay when Tex signing got out during the off season, must have cost somebody their job.

Geeves, you've been demoted. Now go fetch my shoes.

 

[baldandbroke]

Just about this rumour that Danger is leaving for Geelong - apparently the source is a senior crows administrator passed on to Elite Crow's relative ... how would that happen again?

So Danger has told someone / let slip that he is going at the end of the year? Then that person has kept it to themselves (ie not shared it with other AFC officials) but passed it on over turkey at the Xmas table? So this official is happy to see other AFC representatives come out and say "we are backing ourselves to retain Dangerfield" when they have info to the contrary? Or do we think that it is common knowledge at the AFC that he is going?

If the AFC and Danger know he is leaving, I reckon he'd be gone. Why would he stay if he had made up his mind? Wouldn't he want to get into his new club ASAP? Why would AFC keep him on the list? Why would the other players want him playing? If we tried to trade him and failed, wouldn't he be on the outside now ... rather than front and centre in the Crows off-season media?

Alternatively ,someone who works at the Crows (in an fairly senior position) has an opinion that Dangerfield is going to Geelong. That seems more likely to me.

 

[Elite Crow]

So many questions, stay tuned same bat time same bat channel.

But seriously, if the club knows this will be his last year do you honestly think he'd be gone? Should he play reserves or not at all?

 

[1970crow]

Just about this rumour that Danger is leaving for Geelong - apparently the source is a senior crows administrator passed on to Elite Crow's relative ... how would that happen again?

So Danger has told someone / let slip that he is going at the end of the year? Then that person has kept it to themselves (ie not shared it with other AFC officials) but passed it on over turkey at the Xmas table? So this official is happy to see other AFC representatives come out and say "we are backing ourselves to retain Dangerfield" when they have info to the contrary? Or do we think that it is common knowledge at the AFC that he is going?

If the AFC and Danger know he is leaving, I reckon he'd be gone. Why would he stay if he had made up his mind? Wouldn't he want to get into his new club ASAP? Why would AFC keep him on the list? Why would the other players want him playing? If we tried to trade him and failed, wouldn't he be on the outside now ... rather than front and centre in the Crows off-season media?

Alternatively ,someone who works at the Crows (in an fairly senior position) has an opinion that Dangerfield is going to Geelong. That seems more likely to me.

Definitely the latter of the 2 options. If true, someone within the club that has actual 1 on 1 convo's might hear slightly different things than what we get via the media. He'd still be keeping his cards close to his chest, but this person need only draw on the experience gained when bock, Tippett, Davis and gunston walked out.

Time will tell, regardless of his decision, I hope he has an outstanding year and plays deep into the finals.

 

[Paladin]

So many questions, stay tuned same bat time same bat channel.

But seriously, if the club knows this will be his last year do you honestly think he'd be gone? Should he play reserves or not at all?

He will play his heart out going or not and should definitely play all games. FWIW I think we will jump out of the blocks and he will be sufficiently impressed by the new regime to sign on. Winning fixes everything.

 

[FR0GGY]

He will play his heart out going or not and should definitely play all games. FWIW I think we will jump out of the blocks and he will be sufficiently impressed by the new regime to sign on. Winning fixes everything.

so much this

 

[1970crow]

He will play his heart out going or not and should definitely play all games. FWIW I think we will jump out of the blocks and he will be sufficiently impressed by the new regime to sign on. Winning fixes everything.

Not sure it trumps a lifetime dream to play in a flag for the club you grew up barracking for.

 

[FR0GGY]

Not sure it trumps a lifetime dream to play in a flag for the club you grew up barracking for.

well that ship has sailed

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

I wonder if Geelong's win/loss record will play as much of a role in this as ours?

 

[1970crow]

well that ship has sailed

Agree. But success can easily be sold at every club. If Danger has a predilection to playing for the team he supported growing up, it's a lot easier for him to see success in their future. I think they'll be in genuine trouble when the +30's go, but a potential recruit wanting in will see the positives and the recent success.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Not sure it trumps a lifetime dream to play in a flag for the club you grew up barracking for.

personally i believe that once players get to a club the romance of playing for your supported club dissolves pretty quickly

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

I wonder if Geelong's win/loss record will play as much of a role in this as ours?

time will tell however at seasons end I don't believe Geelong will be any closer to a flag than we will be

 

[1970crow]

personally i believe that once players get to a club the romance of playing for your supported club dissolves pretty quickly

Maybe, well at least until they come knocking with a 5 year $4m to $5m deal. Then you find yourself writing things in 'for' and 'against' columns. And waddayaknow, the romanticism is back in footy. I'm not saying that players actively seek to leave their clubs to get to their childhood team, but when weighing up offers, I can't see that factor being completely ignored. Obviously it would only be relevant in the case where a player has already decided to consider other offers. Whether Danger has gotten to or will get to that point, I have absolutely NFI.

I hope guys like dabm are correct in surmising that he's simply waiting to see what trajectory we are on.

 

[baldandbroke]

So many questions, stay tuned same bat time same bat channel.

But seriously, if the club knows this will be his last year do you honestly think he'd be gone? Should he play reserves or not at all?

I reckon a deal would have been done if he was gone - yep - what good is keeping him on our list for a year knowing he was leaving? Would you tell the other players? What effect would that have on morale? I can't see this being the case.

If he is gone, and known to be gone - and wouldn't agree to a trade then definitely don't have him taking up a spot in the 1sts that would provide 22+ games of experience to a young player that wants to play for AFC. If he was playing us, then don't expect anything but the same come FA time.

But, I don't think any of this matters because IMO all of the rumours have no basis in anything more than another rumour.

I'm still leaning towards Dangerfield staying for the long term.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Teams are going to have to start dealing with that scenario, a player who has decided to play elsewhere the next season.

It's been foreign to AFL clubs up until now and avoiding that taboo means that players are forced to string their clubs along all season.

Kick them out? Get whatever value you can out of them? What does it do to club culture?

One club will pioneer being 'cool' with it

 

[baldandbroke]

Teams are going to have to start dealing with that scenario, a player who has decided to play elsewhere the next season.

It's been foreign to AFL clubs up until now and avoiding that taboo means that players are forced to string their clubs along all season.

Kick them out? Get whatever value you can out of them? What does it do to club culture?

One club will pioneer being 'cool' with it

I think I'd be cool with it in the Hawks / Buddy scenario ... where we were having a tilt at the title and that player might make the difference. But if you are mid-rebuild then I don't see any advantages except maybe promoting that culture for when you need it in the future

 

[1970crow]

I reckon a deal would have been done if he was gone - yep - what good is keeping him on our list for a year knowing he was leaving? Would you tell the other players? What effect would that have on morale? I can't see this being the case.

If he is gone, and known to be gone - and wouldn't agree to a trade then definitely don't have him taking up a spot in the 1sts that would provide 22+ games of experience to a young player that wants to play for AFC. If he was playing us, then don't expect anything but the same come FA time.

But, I don't think any of this matters because IMO all of the rumours have no basis in anything more than another rumour.

I'm still leaning towards Dangerfield staying for the long term.

We can't force a trade with a club he doesn't want to go to and maybe the cats weren't putting anything on the table regarding trades.

 

[Godallblighty]

If we had told the Cats Danger was up for trade, they'd have had something on the table lickety split.

 

[baldandbroke]

We can't force a trade with a club he doesn't want to go to and maybe the cats weren't putting anything on the table regarding trades.

I know this - but in reality think about how that would work ...

DANGERFIELD says I want to be traded to Geelong.

Either:

a) geelong realise that if they don't lock him in now they might be competing with a heap of clubs at the end of 2015, and make a big offer - which of course AFC accept

b) geelong take the risk that they will get Danger at the end of 2015 anyway and don't make an offer, AFC realise this and put it down in pen (ironically the same pen used in the Tippett contract) - noting that they aren't going to play nicely at the end of 2015

So, as neither of these things happened, then I don't believe that DANGER made it known to anyone that he wanted out.

The choice is then whether he did this because he was being sneaky OR he doesn't want to go OR he hasn't made up his mind either way.

I don't think he is being sneaky.

 

[Tex200]

If we had told the Cats Danger was up for trade, they'd have had something on the table lickety split.

Why?

This way, assuming he goes, they get Cockatoo now for a year, then Danger in 2016. That's a formidable midfield rebuild in a short time.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Maybe, well at least until they come knocking with a 5 year $4m to $5m deal. Then you find yourself writing things in 'for' and 'against' columns. And waddayaknow, the romanticism is back in footy. I'm not saying that players actively seek to leave their clubs to get to their childhood team, but when weighing up offers, I can't see that factor being completely ignored. Obviously it would only be relevant in the case where a player has already decided to consider other offers. Whether Danger has gotten to or will get to that point, I have absolutely NFI.

I hope guys like dabm are correct in surmising that he's simply waiting to see what trajectory we are on.

IMO its absolutely logical and sensible that Danger would use the time available to see the impact of change

 

[1970crow]

IMO its absolutely logical and sensible that Danger would use the time available to see the impact of change

Agree, there's been a fair shake-up plus some beefing up of our footy dept resources. If Danger hasn't already made up his mind, then he's got a bit of time to weigh up the direction of the club. But the fact that he hasn't announced he's leaving doesn't mean he is still weighing up his options.