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when the afl removed the $55 and under limit to be counted as a member a few years ago colonwood and carltoon started to shoot up in the membership tallies. but it was fake news

Richmond does not count free memberships or memberships that are below $55. when the afl removed the limit Richmond chose to continue to not to count those

so our 100k is not the same as pies 100k as they and other clubs count thousands of free/ buy one get one free and under $55 memberships in their tallies and we do not. If we counted members the way other clubs do we'd easily have 120,000 right now

all confirmed in the article below:








Anatomy of a membership tally: Full breakdown of every one of the Tigers’ 100,000 members​

Every time a membership record is broken, punters claim it’s inflated, or using pets memberships. Richmond’s membership guru Dino Imbriano opens the Tigers’ books for JON RALPH to split fact from fiction.


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March 11, 2024 - 8:00AM
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The Tigers have some 15,000 junior members included as part of its 100,000 plus strong membership tally. Picture: Dylan Burns/AFL Photos via Getty Images.

Richmond’s membership guru Dino Imbriano chuckles and he answers the question he knows has been coming all along.

The answer is 526.

The question is how many cats and dogs did the Tigers sign up last year to their $50 pet membership, which also promises $30 of “Richmond member rewards”.

Richmond’s official membership figures — last year just over 101,000 paid-up fans — are just as real as the scepticism from football fans about the spate of competition records broken by the season.

Like the sun rising in the east, the yearly flood of press releases spruiking new membership records is an annual football tradition.

The AFL shouted those figures again recently as it announced one in 21 Australians was an AFL club member.
Records?

The AFL has them by the bucketful.
Fifteen clubs broke membership records last year as the league claimed a 30th competition-wide record membership figure in 32 years.

Only Covid in 2020 and the Sydney Olympics stopped the league from year-on-year growth across three decades.

And yet how many of them are actually real memberships instead of giveaway deals or fans signing up cats and dogs to boost club tallies?

The Tigers have some 15,000 junior members included as part of its 100,000 plus strong membership tally. Picture: Dylan Burns/AFL Photos via Getty Images.

Richmond consumer general manager Imbriano is happy to disclose that figure, aware it is at the heart of so many raised eyebrows over the actual makeup of AFL memberships.
Imbriano today lifts the lid on the true breakdown of Richmond’s membership as the Tigers attempt to hit the 100,000-mark once more after being the first AFL club to reach that goal in 2018.

Imbriano can account for every single membership Richmond has in those 38 categories — and not one of them are false.

Yes, the rise in three-game memberships has represented a huge part of the explosion in growth for all AFL clubs.

Yes, the old-fashioned 11-game membership is increasingly dying breed in an era of tailored packages that can include all manner of reserved seat, blockbuster game and Grand Final options.

Yet Richmond is proud of the fact its hard-earned membership gains have not come through creative accounting.

As it turns out those cats and dogs are not included in Richmond’s tally as Richmond attempts to again hit a six-figure tally despite tough economic conditions and a potentially challenging season on-field.

“We were the first club to get to 100,000 members and we have maintained that number since,’’ says Imbriano, who has worked in membership at the Western Bulldogs (2006-2008), Collingwood (2008-2010), North Melbourne (2010-2018) and Richmond since January 2018.

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of the Tigers high fives fans after a win last season. Picture: Quinn Rooney/Getty Images.

“We have always been absolutely categoric that we are not going to inflate the numbers in any way. The most important reason is you create a rod for your own back. If you keep your numbers real, the members know where you are.

“If you don’t do things the right way, it catches up with you in the long run.

If you inflate members then maybe members who are sitting on the fence think they don’t need to be a member.”

“This year we are slightly down on last year but if you inflate the numbers, it is never the real picture. We always call it how it is. We can get to 100,000 members but it will take a lot of hard work. It is something we want to be proud of and something we have done through the help of the entire supporter base.”

Clubs desperate to maximise their official season-ending tallies can try a variety of techniques.

They can hand sponsors memberships for gratis, they can hand out vast numbers of memberships through community programs or they can include hospitality clients who attend a single function as rusted-on members in their tallies.
Richmond’s strict definition of a member — accounted for in official AFL figures released each September — is a member taking up a $55 or more package that has access to at least one AFL game.

So the cats and dogs definitely do not count.

Every category above the $55 price point is included in Richmond’s tally, including the $260 digital membership (including Kayo) even though it strictly doesn’t have game access.

Richmond has 38 membership categories, many of which combine varying combinations of three or 11 game memberships and either allow the fans general admission, reserved bay or reserved seat membership.
Imbriano says of the Richmond membership base last year — 101,349 — there are 11 rough categories.

RICHMOND MEMBERSHIPS BREAKDOWN​

MEMBERSHIP TYPENUMBER OF MEMBERS (2023)
Standard home-and-away memberships with privileges to 11 games or 14 games19,150
Three game memberships15,500
Premium coterie memberships, including the 3121 membership and Club XIII membership, which provides guaranteed Grand Final access, access to match-day functions and access to all Victorian games2400
Reserved seat membership18,000
Country, interstate and international membership14,000
Junior packages, which range from the $60 option to baby and toddler15,500
AFL members who nominate Richmond as their club6000
AFLW members3750
MCC members who upgrade with Richmond affiliation3300
Digital membership250
Tigers conservation membership (which costs $65 and includes access to a single game) and Alannah and Madeline Foundation membership.3500

This season as cost pressures hit the Tigers are pushing the message to fans that there are multiple options for supporters who are sitting on the fence

A new blockbuster membership category for $160 locks in reserved seats to Anzac Eve against Melbourne and Dreamtime at the ‘G against Essendon and also allows access to three other 2024 Richmond home games.

And the Tiger Insider category ($99, access to three home-and-away games) is a far superior option for fans battling cost-of-living pressures than dropping high-value memberships altogether.

Imbriano says about 60 per cent of AFL memberships still come from 11-game general admission and reserved seat memberships but says clubs have moved with the times.
With membership still accounting for about a third of club revenue, it has never been more important.

“There are so many options these days with what people do with their leisure dollar and we need a package for everyone,” he said.

“In some ways we have moved away from the 11-game memberships when I started 18 years ago.

We introduced three-game memberships at Collingwood when I was there in 2009 and it gives clubs the capacity to engage fans and slowly put incentives in front of them to get to a higher package. You might have more on field success or there are other drivers that help them upgrade.”

Those difficult early years at the financially strapped Dogs, desperately trying to sign up the entire membership base each year, were filled with stresses as clubs signed up vast numbers of members at games in early rounds.

Richmond would be lucky to sign 100 members on game day now, with annual direct debit arrangements and payment plans helping clubs retain members year to year.

Having watched in awe as Richmond’s membership stuck fat through the Covid years of 2020 and 2021, at times effectively donating their membership fees, makes him value the fanbase more than ever.

“Being a member involves a financial contribution but there is also a sense of belonging and connection to the place,” he says.
 

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Sorry where does it say how Collingwood or Carlton count their figures? Why would you assume they're any less strict than us?
because they both balooned over night the year the $55 limit was removed. both were selling buy 1 and get free memberships

colonwood couldnt get close to 100k the 4 years in a row we did before the limit was removed. they magically achieved it when there was no more $55 limit from the afl

carltoon was selling buy 1 get 3 free memberships

egirls count $5 'wait in the wing ' memberships in their official tally
 
because they both balooned over night the year the $55 limit was removed. both were selling buy 1 and get free memberships

colonwood couldnt get close to 100k the 4 years in a row we did before the limit was removed. they magically achieved it when there was no more $55 limit from the afl

carltoon was selling buy 1 get 3 free memberships

egirls count $5 'wait in the wing ' memberships in their official tally
Richmond also sells 1 game memberships.

Collingwood and Carltons increase couldn't have anything to do with winning the premiership or making a Prelim for the first time in 20 years?
 
Richmond also sells 1 game memberships.

Collingwood and Carltons increase couldn't have anything to do with winning the premiership or making a Prelim for the first time in 20 years?


it was after 21 not last year and pies were a top 4 side 18/19/20 and couldnt get there

Richmond do not sell or count any under $55 memberships and we dont count free memberships

blind freddy can see that most if not all clubs jump in recent years is from the afl removing the $55 limit

it simply wouldnt have happened otherwise

you have an article saying Richmond have never counted free or under $55 memberships, we have a real 6 year in a row 100k members which nobody else could achieve until the limit was removed. what more do you need lol

memberships have not really increased as the afl will have you believe , the removal of the $55 limit by the afl has created the manipulation of membership numbers which has given us fake news membership tallies

do you really think when the afl removed the limit clubs said "we'll still count em the old way" ?

only Richmond is confirmed to have done so because we had a genuine 100k members
 
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Sorry where does it say how Collingwood or Carlton count their figures? Why would you assume they're any less strict than us?

There's never an assumption my friend, accusations aren't normally made without some form of facts to back up the claim.
Blues give away memberships and in the name its added to they are an official member with entry rights.

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Richmond also sells 1 game memberships.

Collingwood and Carltons increase couldn't have anything to do with winning the premiership or making a Prelim for the first time in 20 years?

You seem to missing the point here. Its not about 1 game memberships which is legit btw for any club that sells them for a min of $55
 
There's never an assumption my friend, accusations aren't normally made without some form of facts to back up the claim.
Blues give away memberships and in the name its added to they are an official member with entry rights.

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The top one was to pay back members for missing the entire season of getting to go to games during Covid and the bottom deal was paying a dollar for the last 3 home games of 2022 but having to commit to paying for a full season membership in 2023...
 
You seem to missing the point here. Its not about 1 game memberships which is legit btw for any club that sells them for a min of $55
I was just using that as an example of a way that Richmond inflates the membership figure.
'The buy 2023 get 2022 free' is something we did in (at least)2013 in the lead up to finals. Its smart because once its much easier to retain members than it is to get new ones.

Its great that our membership department feel safe enough to release our data like this, but without evidence it doesn't saying anything about how 'legit' other clubs membership data is. Though I imagine most big vic clubs data breakdown would look similar to ours.
 
I was just using that as an example of a way that Richmond inflates the membership figure.
'The buy 2023 get 2022 free' is something we did in (at least)2013 in the lead up to finals. Its smart because once its much easier to retain members than it is to get new ones.

Its great that our membership department feel safe enough to release our data like this, but without evidence it doesn't saying anything about how 'legit' other clubs membership data is. Though I imagine most big vic clubs data breakdown would look similar to ours.

Even if their breakdowns looked like ours on paper(they wouldn't because they are ******* cheats) it does nothing to speak to the character of the people behind those numbers. It should go without saying that Richmond members are of the highest calibre in terms of character, and members of the other big clubs are by and large of very poor character with just the very odd exception like Jo Silvagni. :)
 
The top one was to pay back members for missing the entire season of getting to go to games during Covid and the bottom deal was paying a dollar for the last 3 home games of 2022 but having to commit to paying for a full season membership in 2023...

It states an additional member, meaning (+1) click to nominate a Carlton fan who isn't already a member to gift your ADDITIONAL membership. Pretty self explanatory.
 
I was just using that as an example of a way that Richmond inflates the membership figure.
'The buy 2023 get 2022 free' is something we did in (at least)2013 in the lead up to finals. Its smart because once its much easier to retain members than it is to get new ones.

Its great that our membership department feel safe enough to release our data like this, but without evidence it doesn't saying anything about how 'legit' other clubs membership data is. Though I imagine most big vic clubs data breakdown would look similar to ours.

We don't inflate our numbers we sell within AFL guide lines, by legitimate means.

The first Carlton image is giving away freebies, there's no confusion there.
 
It states an additional member, meaning (+1) click to nominate a Carlton fan who isn't already a member to gift your ADDITIONAL membership. Pretty self explanatory.

Pretty sure when you break the DNA of the Blues real memberships down there are only a small handful of them. They were able to provide names of x number of people to get free memberships who were each able to provide names of x number of people to get free memberships and so on. But only like the original 5 or 6 people actually paid for a membership. They sacked Cain Liddle because he wanted to tell the truth like at Richmond. :)
 

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