Rookie Draft Discussion Thread

[The Royal Sampler]

I know it's a bit premature to be discussing specifically who we want in the rookie draft, but it does shape as being absolutely huge this year and so deserving (IMHO) of it's own discussion thread.

For starters, due to the expansion of club rookie lists for seasons 2009/2010, clubs will be taking approximately 32 players in the rookie draft before they even start replenishing their rookie lists. Collingwood has delisted Luke Casey-Leigh, and will likely promote Wellingham and MacAffer, retain Dyas, and we're adding Lachlan Keeffe. By recent reports, Scott Reed as an ex-scholarship player will not count toward our rookie list quota, and therefore we'll probably have four selections to make.

In the absence of "priority selections" in the rookie draft, Collingwood will have at worst; selections #11, #27, #43 and #59 in the rookie draft of 2008. I'm looking to the afl site to gauge how many other clubs will have to use 3rd, 4th or even 5th round selections due to rookie delistings, I'll try to update this periodically.

Melbourne:
Wonaemirri (elevated)

WCE:
Wilkes (elevated)

Fremantle: Smith, Mourish, Dunn (delisted)

Port: Willits, Grose, Boyle (delisted)
Salter (elevated)

Essendon: Dick, Chartres (delisted)
Atkinson (elevated)

Carlton: Ellard, Jacobs, Hill, Joseph, Shields (delisted)
Jamison (elevated)

Brisbane: Kiel, Begley, Dzufer, Smith, Tippett (delisted)
Clouston (elevated)

Richmond: Cartledge, Collard, Howat (delisted)

North: Wilsen, Obst (delisted)
Wundke, Grima (elevated)

Adelaide: Curnow (delisted)
Petrenko (elevated)

Collingwood: LCL (delisted)
Wellingham, MacAffer (elevated)

Sydney: Terlich, Beckmans, Bruce (delisted)
O'Dwyer, Smith (elevated)

St. Kilda: Van Rheenan, Chivers, Attard (delisted)
Eddy, McQualter (elevated)

Bulldogs: Hughes (delisted)

Geelong: Kangars, Bedford (delisted)

Hawthorn: Sandilands, Grima, Suckling (delisted)

So here's hoping there's a strong pool of 18+ year old players to select from once the National Draft is over.

 

[Dave The Man]

Well we don't even Know who will be Drafted yet but I would like to Rookie De Luca if we don't get another Ruck in the National Draft

 

[Skade]

All this supposition and conjecture.

Please just tell me who we've got, I can't wait any more.

 

[Dave The Man]

All this supposition and conjecture.

Please just tell me who we've got, I can't wait any more.

Well I can give you 2 Picks in the Rookie Draft:

Lachlan Keefe Ruckman 204 cm Collingwood VFL

and

Scott Reed 192cm 78kg Pennat Hills

Video of Reed:

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[shawthing09]

Very happy with Keeffe and Reed as rookie picks. Reed has a fair bit of Goldsack MK2 about him but he does appear to be a bit cleaner and as such may be more effective up the ground.

Keeffe as a ruck prospect is very good. His ultra raw but an outstanding mover for his size. Ruck is probably the most forgiving position in terms of being football smart if your tall aggressive and athletic. Hopefully he can bulk up show some aggression and become a very good ruckmen.

Reed would have been picked up in the regular draft so getting him in the rookie is a steal regardless and Keeffe is the exact type of ruckmen I'd look at in the rookie draft.

 

[smiddaz123]

Keefe is a very good get imo. Move well, as has been said, and he's basically a 'blank canvas' to work with.

Never kicked a footy before, never rucked before, so he hasn't developed his own techniques when it comes to kicking or palming the ball down, so we can start his techniques from scratch, rather than trying to iron out flaws he may have developed in them as a junior.

Obviously holding high hopes for him would be stupid, but he sounds like a natural sportsman.

He'll take ages though.

 

[scanners]

Batsanis?

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Doubt we'd go for Batsanis, he's had a couple of chances to be picked up already.

I think we'll be looking pretty closely at Patrick Hayes and Liam Jurrah, it will be interesting to see if they are added to the "permission to train" lists after the draft. Both Iles and Toovey trained with us in 2005 prior to the PSD/rookie draft, but Wellingham didn't in 2006 (and I think MacAffer didn't either), nor Casey-Leigh in 2007. Maybe we try to keep them under the radar...?

 

[well left]

I think there will be a higher than usual amount of bottom age draftees this year due to GC17 so there may be some top-age draftable players slip through to the rookie draft. I'd load up with a couple of inside mids who might slide and hope we can develop them.

TRS - Is Bryn Weadon one that might fit this criteria?

 

[Quicky]

Does anybody know how much Keefe weighs?? Does he have a big body that looks like it will fill out?? Or is he another one of Collingwoods endless production line of beanpole Ruckman??

 

[Quicky]

Reed looks like a really good pick up to me. I think he will be more than handy off the HBF at least at the start of his career. Good size, mobility and skills. I can see him and Shaw setting up a lot of our rebound in the next couple of years. But then again I might be a bit too optimistic here!!

 

[Optimax]

Well we don't even Know who will be Drafted yet but I would like to Rookie De Luca if we don't get another Ruck in the National Draft

DeLuca is shit dave, waste of a rookie pick

 

[The 10th Letter]

Reed looks like a really good pick up to me. I think he will be more than handy off the HBF at least at the start of his career. Good size, mobility and skills. I can see him and Shaw setting up a lot of our rebound in the next couple of years. But then again I might be a bit too optimistic here!!

I'm also pretty stoked about adding Reed to the list, especially considering the manner in which we landed him. Like most I've only seen snippets, but he has shown enough in the aforementioned footage and also match reports to suggest he is good enough to have been drafted regardless of the scholarship program.

I'll do my best to reserve my optimism but I think the important thing to remember is that in the worst case scenario where he doesn't amount to an AFL player, we have only spent some time and a rookie list spot. The absolute best case scenario might see us find another piece to our midfield puzzle who also has the physical attributes to play in other positions.

 

[well left]

I'll do my best to reserve my optimism but I think the important thing to remember is that in the worst case scenario where he doesn't amount to an AFL player, we have only spent some time and a rookie list spot. The absolute best case scenario might see us find another piece to our midfield puzzle who also has the physical attributes to play in other positions.

He does not even cost us a rookie spot. He can be nominated as a NSW Scholarship Rookie which is outside of the standard rookie list.

Well done to the club for getting Reed to agree to this and well done to the young fella for agreeing to it. I wonder if part of it was that he would be the nominated rookie to come on to the Senior List come Round 11.

 

[Optimax]

He does not even cost us a rookie spot. He can be nominated as a NSW Scholarship Rookie which is outside of the standard rookie list.

Well done to the club for getting Reed to agree to this and well done to the young fella for agreeing to it. I wonder if part of it was that he would be the nominated rookie to come on to the Senior List come Round 11.

as i understand all rookies can play after round 11 nominated or not, and i have nou doubt that is why he said yes to it

 

[The 10th Letter]

He does not even cost us a rookie spot. He can be nominated as a NSW Scholarship Rookie which is outside of the standard rookie list.

Well done to the club for getting Reed to agree to this and well done to the young fella for agreeing to it. I wonder if part of it was that he would be the nominated rookie to come on to the Senior List come Round 11.

I stand corrected, I had completely forgotten about that.

Even better than I first thought!

 

[Bloben]

as i understand all rookies can play after round 11 nominated or not, and i have nou doubt that is why he said yes to it

I'm not sure about this. From what I have heard after round 11 you can nominate one rookie that can be placed on the senior list. Basically this is like increasing the size of the list by one player.

What I'm not too sure about is what happens at the end of 2009. Does that rookie have to go back onto the rookie list or does the increased senior list remain?

 

[Bloben]

^^^
Oops sorry Opti. Just re-read the posts and you were referring to how Reed is outside the standard rookie players.

Carry on.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

I think there will be a higher than usual amount of bottom age draftees this year due to GC17 so there may be some top-age draftable players slip through to the rookie draft. I'd load up with a couple of inside mids who might slide and hope we can develop them.

TRS - Is Bryn Weadon one that might fit this criteria?

Bryn Weadon is certainly one worth looking at... but didn't have a great finish to the year. I wouldn't complain if we picked him up, that's for sure. Tom German is one that Snoop's been touting who fits the mold and had some great performances when it counted.

^^^
Oops sorry Opti. Just re-read the posts and you were referring to how Reed is outside the standard rookie players.

Carry on.

I might need you to explain it to me then, because Opti's post seemed to me to be saying that a rookie didn't need to be nominated or elevated to play post round 11.

 

[shawthing09]

Bryn Weadon is certainly one worth looking at... but didn't have a great finish to the year. I wouldn't complain if we picked him up, that's for sure. Tom German is one that Snoop's been touting who fits the mold and had some great performances when it counted.


I might need you to explain it to me then, because Opti's post seemed to me to be saying that a rookie didn't need to be nominated or elevated to play post round 11.

I think the rule is that you don't need someone on the long term injury list to elevate a rookie after rpimd 11, but I could be wrong. Therefore your list is effectively one person bigger over the second half of the year.

 

[well left]

Bryn Weadon is certainly one worth looking at... but didn't have a great finish to the year. I wouldn't complain if we picked him up, that's for sure. Tom German is one that Snoop's been touting who fits the mold and had some great performances when it counted.


I might need you to explain it to me then, because Opti's post seemed to me to be saying that a rookie didn't need to be nominated or elevated to play post round 11.

Thanks TRS - I reckon that is how we need to use the two extra rookie spots this year. Inside mid and another inside mid.

My understanding of the new ruling is that only one rookie can be added after round 11 without someone going on the LTI.

For example, at round 11 we do not have any players on the LTI so we can nominate one player, Scott Reed, to be a nominated rookie a la Jamieson at Carlton this year. Then if Bryan got injured, he could be added to the LTI and we could elevate Keefe in his place.

I don't think it is open slather on rookies being elevated at Round 11 but I could be wrong.

 

[Bloben]

I might need you to explain it to me then, because Opti's post seemed to me to be saying that a rookie didn't need to be nominated or elevated to play post round 11.

The way I read it was that all of the rookies are eligable to be promoted to the senior list.

By the way, does anyone know if this extended senior list will carry over to 2009 and beyond?

 

[well left]

I've been hunting around for some confirmation on this (man I hate the AFL website) but this is all I have found so far:

http://www.afl.com.au/News/NEWSARTICLE/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsId=68742

This indicates that we can elevate a rookie at Round 11 regardless of long term injuries.

I will see if I can find the official AFL announcement......

 

[Skade]

I've been hunting around for some confirmation on this (man I hate the AFL website) but this is all I have found so far:

http://www.afl.com.au/News/NEWSARTICLE/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsId=68742

This indicates that we can elevate a rookie at Round 11 regardless of long term injuries.

I will see if I can find the official AFL announcement......

Lets hope we're busting a gut to elevate someone at that stage because he's absolutely goen off.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Confirmation that Wellingham and MacAffer have been elevated, and the list has been updated. On current numbers alone, 58 players would need to be added to rookie lists, and it will end up being much more than that I'm guessing.