Round 1 2011 Team - Predictions

[Igloo]

Re: Round 1 2011 Team

The counter to your argument would be to say that no-one would have suspected Barlow and Silvagni to have an impact at Freo. Ted Richards went from being absolute crap at the Bombres to being a solid contributor at the Swans.


I am sure I have missed many other examples. Who is to say that Vez or Zeph cannot perform in a similar fashion?

I am not suggesting they will be stars but just to write them off completely is not being overly objective either imo.

But that is just chance. Just because it happened to a few players doesnt mean it will happen more regularly. It happens a lot less often than not.
But then there is the other side, where it may happen. Just have to wait and see.

 

[kelpa]

Re: Round 1 2011 Team

The counter to your argument would be to say that no-one would have suspected Barlow and Silvagni to have an impact at Freo. Ted Richards went from being absolute crap at the Bombres to being a solid contributor at the Swans.


I am sure I have missed many other examples. Who is to say that Vez or Zeph cannot perform in a similar fashion?

I am not suggesting they will be stars but just to write them off completely is not being overly objective either imo.

He's still crap!

 

[Godzilla!]

Re: Round 1 2011 Team

The counter to your argument would be to say that no-one would have suspected Barlow and Silvagni to have an impact at Freo. Ted Richards went from being absolute crap at the Bombres to being a solid contributor at the Swans.


I am sure I have missed many other examples. Who is to say that Vez or Zeph cannot perform in a similar fashion?

I am not suggesting they will be stars but just to write them off completely is not being overly objective either imo.

Well, first of all, Barlow was a star in the VFL. He came top 3 in the league B&F irrc. It wasn't shocking to see him do so well.

Vez has the talent, and will probably get a few games to prove himself. I hope he grabs the opportunity. I haven't written him off at all, as i said - he is one of the 7 or 8 players that will be realistically considered, but have to force their way in.

As for Skinner - The competition he played in was far inferior to the VFL. He doesn't have much fitness, and needs to get that right before he is even considered for AFL. Definitely talented though, so it's all up to how hard he wants to work.

 

[More Bulldog]

Re: Round 1 2011 Team

Western Bulldogs
B: Wood Lake Morris
HB: Murphy Williams Gilbee
C: Cross Boyd Griffen
HF: Higgins Jones Sherman
F: Gia Hall Grant
Foll: Hudson Ward Cooney
Int: Take your pick from below

Williamstown (Minus VFL players such as Johnson and Little)
B: Tutt Barlow Hahn
HB: Hargrave Markovic Howard
C: Stack Reid Liberatore
HF: Addison Cordy Djekerra
F: J. Hill Panos Veszpremmi
Foll: Roughead, Wallis, Moles
Int: Hooper, T. Hill, Skinner, Mulligan, Schofield, Minson, Dahlhaus, Johannissen, Prato

I really like the look of our list and I may be an optimist but I see some serious depth. It's great they have changed the VFL rules in that they can pick as many dogs as they want this year. Be great to see Panos hold down FF and Cordy CHF without competing with the likes of Little. If Little doesn't play.

 

[bulldogsman]

Re: Round 1 2011 Team

Western Bulldogs
B: Wood Lake Morris
HB: Murphy Williams Gilbee
C: Cross Boyd Griffen
HF: Higgins Jones Sherman
F: Gia Hall Grant
Foll: Hudson Ward Cooney
Int: Take your pick from below

Williamstown (Minus VFL players such as Johnson and Little)
B: Tutt Barlow Hahn
HB: Hargrave Markovic Howard
C: Stack Reid Liberatore
HF: Addison Cordy Djekerra
F: J. Hill Panos Veszpremmi
Foll: Roughead, Wallis, Moles
Int: Hooper, T. Hill, Skinner, Mulligan, Schofield, Minson, Dahlhaus, Johannissen, Prato

I really like the look of our list and I may be an optimist but I see some serious depth. It's great they have changed the VFL rules in that they can pick as many dogs as they want this year. Be great to see Panos hold down FF and Cordy CHF without competing with the likes of Little. If Little doesn't play.

Don't forget Tom Hill as well and Liam Jones could still be the VFL maybe for a start. I really hope Little goes elsewhere.

 

[zephyyy]

Re: Round 1 2011 Team

hargrave, lake, morris
murphy, williams, gilbee
griffen, cross, sherman
skinner, roughead, grant
giansiracusa, hall, higgins
hudson, cooney, boyd

wood, ward, picken
sub. hill/vez/wallis/djek/howard

 

[Mattie Lyons]

Re: Round 1 2011 Team

hargrave, lake, morris
murphy, williams, gilbee
griffen, cross, sherman
skinner, roughead, grant
giansiracusa, hall, higgins
hudson, cooney, boyd

wood, ward, picken
sub. hill/vez/wallis/djek/howard

Yep, I like the look of your team, but ambitious to see Skinner picked in the starting 18. It would be an amazing story if he were to turn it on this year, as he is a marketing dream. In reality though, he is a speculative gamble and will likely be an incosistent player at VFL level, with flashes of brilliance, followed several games on the Missing Persons register.

I hope he turns out to be more than a tease (as it appears you do, as evidenced by your use of his name as your username - do you have a man crush?), so good to see supporters like yourself getting on the early bandwagon.

Personally, I am hoping to see Hill get back to his best and give us a target on the HFF. As for Roughead, it will be interesting to see whether he, or Jones, can make the CHF position their own...

 

[can bar]

Re: Round 1 2011 Team

morris lake wood
gilbee williams murphy
griffen cross sherman
higgins jones ward
grant hall gia
hudson boyd cooney
hill hargrave picken roughead*

 

[X_box_X]

Re: Round 1 2011 Team

This is probably what I consider to be our strongest team.

Hargrave, Lake, Morris
Wood, Williams, Gilbee
Sherman, Boyd, Cross
Murphy, Grant, Higgns
Gian, Hall, Picken
Hudson, Cooney, Griffen
Minson, Ward, Vez
Sub: Hill
EME: Addison, Wallis, Roughead

I have thought long and hard about Hill, and I think he suits the substitute role perfectly. If the new sub rule wasn't introduced, I wouldn't have him in our best 22. I think we can utilise him to really benefit the team with this substitute role. He should be coming on about half way through the third quarter.

Given this is a thread based on round one, obviously there is no way Addison will be emergency given he is suspended. And you would assume Hargrave won't play if you go by reports. Lake will be given every opportunity and should play.

The adjusted round one team, for mine, would be:

Wood, Lake, Morris
Murphy, Williams, Gilbee
Sherman, Boyd, Cross
Vez, Grant, Higgns
Gian, Hall, Picken
Hudson, Cooney, Griffen
Minson, Ward, Wallis
Sub: Hill
EME: Moles, Reid, Roughead

 

[bulldogsman]

Re: Round 1 2011 Team

^ Could you explain how you would use Hudson and Minson in the same side? Also why did you choose him over Roughead?

Thanks

 

[Bulldog Joe]

Re: Round 1 2011 Team

^ Could you explain how you would use Hudson and Minson in the same side? Also why did you choose him over Roughead?

Thanks

No to speak for x_box_x, but I am in the Minson camp.

In 2009 Minson and Hudson were an exceptional combination that got us within a kick of the grand final. Minson suffered a broken toe late in the season and his injury may just have been the difference in our loss to St Kilda.

Many have written Will off based on 2010 when he had a horror run with illness and injury.

Yet he was still a better ruckman than Roughead in the VFL and AFL.

Reports on Will's pre-season are very positive to date and I see no reason why he cannot be back to 2009 or better and I would be looking at Will to be the player who can give Hall a spell forward as well as cover Hudson in the ruck.

Roughead is considered a better mark, but Will still took as many and kicked as many goals. Roughy is the one with a pre-season op on this occasion. If Roughy does indeed overtake a fully fit Minson we will be very well served.

 

[X_box_X]

Re: Round 1 2011 Team

For a start, Murphy and Grant are mobile enough to play as high forwards and I reckon both could do a great job in the back line (Murphy, obviously so). Either of them going back into defence or playing high half forward gives us the opportunity to unleash the Mincer to play as a marking forward for about 20-30 minutes per game. Another 40 minutes with him in the ruck and the rest on the bench sounds about right for him.

I would also consider Roughead getting the same sort of minutes. Both are evenly matched, but I would be surprsed if a fit Minson didn't get first crack at back-up ruckman. Roughead, for a start, has only played eight games. Minson was derailed by injury last year and did some important things against Sydney in the SF. He will improve in 2011 and I expect him to improve again in 2012 and 2013. Minson's career is well and truly alive.

 

[Godzilla!]

Re: Round 1 2011 Team

Minson is no good as a forward, plain and simple.

The fact Roughy has only played 8 games means nothing. There was a time when all good players only had 8 games to their name.

I like Minson, and he will get games. We are in a good position to have such a strong ruck division. Even if we took out our number 1 ruck, and went with the 2 next best we would be in pretty good shape. How many other teams can say that?

 

[Pigdog]

Re: Round 1 2011 Team

For a start, Murphy and Grant are mobile enough to play as high forwards and I reckon both could do a great job in the back line (Murphy, obviously so). Either of them going back into defence or playing high half forward gives us the opportunity to unleash the Mincer to play as a marking forward for about 20-30 minutes per game. Another 40 minutes with him in the ruck and the rest on the bench sounds about right for him.

We aren't going to be afforded the luxury of our 2nd ruck playing just 60 to 70min (50-55%) game time due to the changes with the sub rule.

Unless Minson plays at least 80% game time I wouldn't bother playing him.

 

[Bulldog Joe]

Re: Round 1 2011 Team

We aren't going to be afforded the luxury of our 2nd ruck playing just 60 to 70min (50-55%) game time due to the changes with the sub rule.

Unless Minson plays at least 80% game time I wouldn't both playing him.

I think this is a valid point and actually works for Minson over Roughead. Will is more resilient and likely able to play longer minutes while Roughead is still developing.

 

[Jack Harkaway]

Re: Round 1 2011 Team

We aren't going to be afforded the luxury of our 2nd ruck playing just 60 to 70min (50-55%) game time due to the changes with the sub rule.

Unless Minson plays at least 80% game time I wouldn't bother playing him.

This is true. Do you know what the game time is for the second ruck now? I'd be surprised if the second ruck last year played just half a game?

 

[Pigdog]

Re: Round 1 2011 Team

This is true. Do you know what the game time is for the second ruck now? I'd be surprised if the second ruck last year played just half a game?

I think both our ruckmen played somewhere between 65 & 75% game time last year.

I would think these numbers would have to increase this season which may mean we have to give Huddo the occassional break this year, but this could be helped by the byes.

 

[bulldogsman]

Re: Round 1 2011 Team

I just don't see enough value for Minson as a forward. He's not a bad number 1 ruckman and would have Roughy beaten in this area no doubt atm. As a forward where I think he will have to play mostly, I don't rate him. Too many dropped marks, poor at ground level and good opponents tend to kill us going the other way. Comparing him with marks taken and goals kicked doesn't paint the whole picture. Also once Roughy gains more experience and knowledge etc, I expect him to overtake Minson quite easily as the No 2 ruck by the end of the season. That's my view anyway.

 

[Mattie Lyons]

Re: Round 1 2011 Team

Looks like Lake and Cooney will both be ready for Round 1, so close to a full squad to choose from att his stage, barring injury or setbacks.

Many have included Hargrave in their starting line-up, but he will not be ready for the season opener.

At this stage the new additions to our squad who will be pressing for selection are (in order): Sherman, Djerrka, Wallis, Vez, Liberatore

I will be interested to hear the BF Bulldog selectors thoughts in coming weeks...

 

[FishCreekBandit]

Re: Round 1 2011 Team

Wood, Lake, Morris
Sherman, Williams, Murphy
Cross, Boyd, Picken
Ward, Grant, Higgns
Gian, Hall, Vez
Hudson, Cooney, Griffen
Roughead, Gilbee, Reid
Sub: Wallis

 

[Gus]

Re: Round 1 2011 Team

Wood, Lake, Morris
Sherman, Williams, Murphy
Cross, Boyd, Picken
Ward, Grant, Higgns
Gian, Hall, Vez
Hudson, Cooney, Griffen
Roughead, Gilbee, Reid
Sub: Wallis

Not too sure about Sherman on a back flank. Would say that is out of position for him.

 

[Super Hans]

Re: Round 1 2011 Team

Wood Lake Morris
Howard Williams Gilbee
Sherman Boyd Cross
Murphy Grant Higgins
Gia Hall Vespremi
Hudson Cooney Griffen
Ward Wallis Picken
(Hill)

 

[Bulldog Joe]

Re: Round 1 2011 Team

Wood Lake Morris
Howard Williams Gilbee
Sherman Boyd Cross
Murphy Grant Higgins
Gia Hall Vespremi
Hudson Cooney Griffen
Ward Wallis Picken
(Hill)

If Howard does enough to warrant the spot we could get excited, but your side requires Hall to do some ruck work and I see no chance of that.

Need at least one of Jones, Roughead or Minson in the 22 and I would have 2 of them in preference to Ves and Hill at this point.

 

[Pigdog]

Re: Round 1 2011 Team

With still a fair chunk of the pre-season to go from what I have seen/ heard I would be going this way:

B - Wood, Lake, Morris
HB - Murphy, Williams, Gilbee
C- Griffen, Ward, Picken
HF - Sherman, Jones, Higgins
F - Grant, Hall, Giansiracusa
R - Hudson, Boyd, Cooney

Int - Cross - Djerrkura - Minson
Sub - Moles

* First 19 pick themselves, then it gets tough.
* Been impressed with Djerrkura, he can play a few different roles and I think he will work his way into the team.
* No idea what we will do with the 2nd ruck spot, if we even have one?? Jones could give us a chop out if they decided to go without a 2nd ruck, but I'm not too keen on playing a potential 10 year CHF in this role. Have gone with Minson as I think Roughy coming off shoulder surgery is a bit off yet, but wouldn't be surprised if they went with him.

We have a few ready made types waiting in the wings which gives us some cover, but I guess how the 'fringe' types perform over the next couple of months will determine the make-up of the team.

 

[Dry Rot]

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* Been impressed with Djerrkura, he can play a few different roles and I think he will work his way into the team.

So you have him ahead of Vesper?