Opinion Round 18 Changes vs. GWS

[Tbonefreo]

Pearce out
mzungu in. Probaly.

 

[ImperialPurple]

Out: de Boer, Clancee(inj)
In: Weller, Blakely

Sub vest to Danyle

 

[Spoken4]

GWS will be fighting for life when they play Freo. Lost a game yesterday that should have won. Expect them to come out hard and we will need to play well to beat them. For that reason, I suspect there will be only a few outs and Fyfe and Sandilands won't be two of them.

 

[rodney hoo]

GWS will be fighting for life when they play Freo. Lost a game yesterday that should have won. Expect them to come out hard and we will need to play well to beat them. For that reason, I suspect there will be only a few outs and Fyfe and Sandilands won't be two of them.

If you believe what's written on their site some players are saying there leaving, not certain it's that happy over there. It's our chance to make one or two changes and put the foot down.

 

[holy diver]

We may even go in unchanged.

 

[Proud SJW]

The thing is even Ross reckons we played like shite and Richmond deserved to win so its not really contradictory that we are all happy with the win but not so thrilled about the way the team played. Ross called our transition disposal football suicide and said although the effort was good and the clearance work elite we turned the ball over and took stupid options at times.
But we keep winning.
Weller must debut next week for mine.

Agreed, we should have been using the new blood as subs for a few weeks now. I still can't see any value in having the likes of De Boer as a sub. They aren't game breakers and they aren't going to learn anything from it. I'm not even sure about Mzungu this year TBH, he has had a couple of runs and didn't look as good as last year.

And Bloody Suban - keeps on doing just enough to keep me off his back.

For me it'd be:
OUT: De Boer. Just, out. Sorry girls.
C Pearce: the shoulder gives RTB a good excuse to see if Dawson is up to it this late in the season. When is Silvagni due back?

IN: Weller or Blakely - RTB's call.
Dawson. See what he's got.

D Pearce was playing very well earlier in the season, not sure what's happened but I think the likes of Weller or Blakeley might have better decision-making capabilities than he does right now. Keep him in, though - for now. I'm thinking he'd be looking over his shoulder right now though.

 

[E Shed]

Well after yesterdays game, reading the WAFL reports (couldn't watch today) and looking at the stats I'm going to lose my mind if we get any of Dawson, Duffield, Mzungu as ins rather than Blakely, Grey or Weller presuming Clancee is out.
How could anyone who has seen Blakely play think he couldn't at least match DeBoer's output and do some good things with ball in hand.

 

[Proud SJW]

Well after yesterdays game, reading the WAFL reports (couldn't watch today) and looking at the stats I'm going to lose my mind if we get any of Dawson, Duffield, Mzungu as ins rather than Blakely, Grey or Weller presuming Clancee is out.
How could anyone who has seen Blakely play think he couldn't at least match DeBoer's output and do some good things with ball in hand.

Grey as defender or Midfield?
Not sure about having two debutant defenders (A Pearce) at the same time just yet.
Next year - definately.

 

[E Shed]

Grey as defender or Midfield?
Not sure about having two debutant defenders (A Pearce) at the same time just yet.
Next year - definately.

Grey as a defender, in Clancy's spot. Or play Blakely as sub and let Deboer defend, or play Weller as sub and send someone else back.
Just one of them to play. We keep hearing about having to earn your spot through performance well all of them were as good or better than anyone else out there for Peel today apparently. Its time.

 

[meima]

Grey as a defender, in Clancy's spot. Or play Blakely as sub and let Deboer defend, or play Weller as sub and send someone else back.
Just one of them to play. We keep hearing about having to earn your spot through performance well all of them were as good or better than anyone else out there for Peel today apparently. Its time.

What about goal of the year Langdon.

 

[Proud SJW]

I think our main problem is that we have too many journeymen. You're right, the one thing that really gets my goat week after week is the C Pearce, Suban, De Boer, Mzungu musical chairs game. It doesn't work.
I know we love some of those guys... and no one wants to drop players who put in for the club week in, week out for years without any real reward. The Gu was always one of my favourites, too, but he's never going to get any better than what he is now. Nor are the others.
Sometimes you just have to let go.

I have a habit of talking about established teams in the hunt for a flag not wanting to blood new players all that much, and I stand by it. I actually think it's a curse, this year, being top of the table and in the hunt for a flag. It forces us to favour stability over potential, but in our particular case that stability isn't all that stable.

It's one of two issues I have with Lyon. We've had the opportunity on several occasions to get a look at our future, and we haven't taken those opportunities.

 

[E Shed]

What about goal of the year Langdon.

Yeah he'll do. He's only a couple of weeks back from injury though so the other 2 in front probably but I'd love to see him.
I'd love to see all of them.

 

[kp junior]

Watching Blakely in the packs today, he should be playing AFL now. He's such a natural in there, it's Fyfe/Mundy like.

 

[meima]

I think our main problem is that we have too many journeymen. You're right, the one thing that really gets my goat week after week is the C Pearce, Suban, De Boer, Mzungu musical chairs game. It doesn't work.
I know we love some of those guys... and no one wants to drop players who put in for the club week in, week out for years without any real reward. The Gu was always one of my favourites, too, but he's never going to get any better than what he is now. Nor are the others.
Sometimes you just have to let go.

I have a habit of talking about established teams in the hunt for a flag not wanting to blood new players all that much, and I stand by it. I actually think it's a curse, this year, being top of the table and in the hunt for a flag. It forces us to favour stability over potential, but in our particular case that stability isn't all that stable.

It's one of two issues I have with Lyon. We've had the opportunity on several occasions to get a look at our future, and we haven't taken those opportunities.

After watching peel today agree why GU not in first team.

 

[Proud SJW]

That isn't what I said.

 

[andrew99]

Grey as a defender, in Clancy's spot. Or play Blakely as sub and let Deboer defend, or play Weller as sub and send someone else back.
Just one of them to play. We keep hearing about having to earn your spot through performance well all of them were as good or better than anyone else out there for Peel today apparently. Its time.

I haven't seen Blakely play and even I think he can match De Boer's output - it's hard to fathom how he could not given what De Boer is serving up. I'll happily put Suban into this category as well but I'll lay off him for now, given he was ok-ish yesterday.

But this is all fantasy - there's no way Ross will drop his favorite triers for a talented kid, not at St Kilda, not now. Conservative team selection is one of his foibles - I hope it won't be his downfall.

 

[Spoken4]

I haven't seen Blakely play and even I think he can match De Boer's output - it's hard to fathom how he could not given what De Boer is serving up. I'll happily put Suban into this category as well but I'll lay off him for now, given he was ok-ish yesterday.

But this is all fantasy - there's no way Ross will his favorite triers for a talented kid, not at St Kilda, not now. Conservative team selection is one of his foibles - I hope it won't be his downfall.

Reckon we will see one of the kids this week. Probably Grey, then Weller, then Blakely, then Langdon.

 

[sherrif]

I know the discussion of the value of Suban and De Boer is an instant source of rage for some on here, so I'll try and keep it polite and say that my view on the value of Suban and De Boer is based on the fact I think that for a significant period of game time they are instructed to not go for the football, but rather help a teammate to win the footy at clearances and at times block for a leading player in open play. My view on modern football is that there are more players setting screens (like basketball) to get star players free. Suban and De Boer are IMO following the role outlined by the coaching pannel and that is why they keep being selected. Fill free to disagree.

 

[andrew99]

I think our main problem is that we have too many journeymen. You're right, the one thing that really gets my goat week after week is the C Pearce, Suban, De Boer, Mzungu musical chairs game. It doesn't work.
I know we love some of those guys... and no one wants to drop players who put in for the club week in, week out for years without any real reward. The Gu was always one of my favourites, too, but he's never going to get any better than what he is now. Nor are the others.
Sometimes you just have to let go.

I have a habit of talking about established teams in the hunt for a flag not wanting to blood new players all that much, and I stand by it. I actually think it's a curse, this year, being top of the table and in the hunt for a flag. It forces us to favour stability over potential, but in our particular case that stability isn't all that stable.

It's one of two issues I have with Lyon. We've had the opportunity on several occasions to get a look at our future, and we haven't taken those opportunities.

Well if we're to have journeymen in our team then we may as well pick the best of the bunch. How is it that De Boer & Suban get games while Gu can not manage to? Even putting C. Pearce into the same category as Suban & De Boer is harsh. C. Pearce has a level of consistency and output that De Boer & Suban will never have - so to does Gu.

 

[malpaso]

I'd like to see Grey debut, by all accounts he's an animal and reckon he'd grab a spot and hold it.

 

[andrew99]

Reckon we will see one of the kids this week. Probably Grey, then Weller, then Blakely, then Langdon.

I hope so but I can see how your prediction may turn out to be overly optimistic.

I remember reading the St Kilda boards during their premiership tilts and there was the same criticism and frustration directed at Ross for his lack of youth development - and you know where there's smoke there's fire. We all have downsides, perhaps Ross is too loyal and too conservative.

 

[clogged]

The "Suban and De Boer have important roles" argument doesn't really stand up given how often they are sub.

 

[Proud SJW]

Well if we're to have journeymen in our team then we may as well pick the best of the bunch. How is it that De Boer & Suban get games while Gu can not manage to? Even putting C. Pearce into the same category as Suban & De Boer is harsh. C. Pearce has a level of consistency and output that De Boer & Suban will never have - so to does Gu.

I don't know. Strange things are afoot at the circle K, and I am not privy to the inner circle.

But I'd still rather us play Weller or Blakeley, even if only as a sub, rather than non-game changers.
We should have been on many occasions this year.

 

[Moist Biscuit]

If Suban puts in performances like he did on the weekend, I will be happy for him to stay in the side.

 

[ydraw]

Perhaps they are rubbish, but it's pretty easy to see that if those rubbish rankings place you behind 51 other players you couldn't be considered to be in AA contention. It's not that hard a concept to grasp.

Nah, the AFL player rankings are complete horseshit. Ballantyne was forward pocket in the AA team last year and he doesn't rate in the top 20 for small forwards in the AFL ratings, and is 220th overall.

Also according the AFL ratings Sandilands is only the 4th best ruckman in the AFL. And Lachie Henderson is a better key forward than Pavlich.

AFL ratings are a steaming pile of horse manure.