Rumour Rumors of cat player in big trouble

[PenfoldsFan]

It says they got advice telling them to do something else and that you were carrying on over absolutely nothing, and it didn’t concern you in any way whatsoever and you made yourself look like a right twat to everyone that read through this thread in doing it, as every single person who’s responded to you has pointed out.

I wonder what the hundreds of people who've read it and didnt feel the need to point it out actually thought?

Dunno, probably agreed with him I guess.

 

[mighty_lions]

I wonder what the hundreds of people who've read it and didnt feel the need to point it out actually thought?

Dunno, probably agreed with him I guess.

nah apparently im the only person who thinks it, however if you go on twitter there's hundreds of people who have said the exact same thing for months

 

[Mr Meow]

nah apparently im the only person who thinks it, however if you go on twitter there's hundreds of people who have said the exact same thing for months

None will have said it almost 100 times though.

 

[PhatBoy]

I wonder what the hundreds of people who've read it and didnt feel the need to point it out actually thought?

Dunno, probably agreed with him I guess.

So the hundreds of people who aren’t running football clubs, getting legal advice, doing exactly what they’re advised to do, and in that position, you mean. Right.

 

[PhatBoy]

nah apparently im the only person who thinks it, however if you go on twitter there's hundreds of people who have said the exact same thing for months

The majority of them when it’s pointed out to them that a football club worth many millions of dollars who had a listed player possibly looking at jail time will make the effort of seeking out advice from a legal professional more qualified than Dennis Denuto and act accordingly, will generally stop asking about it.

 

[mighty_lions]

The majority of them when it’s pointed out to them that a football club worth many millions of dollars who had a listed player possibly looking at jail time will make the effort of seeking out advice from a legal professional more qualified than Dennis Denuto and act accordingly, will generally stop asking about it.

yet the advice they have taken is exactly what I said

 

[PhatBoy]

yet the advice they have taken is exactly what I said

No, that’s what they’ve done now.
The advice they took first is what they did previously.

Your advice was one of about 3-4 options. It’s not like you split the atom, mate.

They took the initial option, then they continued to seek advice as the situation had progressed, and have continued to take it.

 

[mighty_lions]

No, that’s what they’ve done now.
The advice they took first is what they did previously.

Your advice was one of about 3-4 options. It’s not like you split the atom, mate.

They took the initial option, then they continued to seek advice as the situation had progressed, and have continued to take it.

you can say I was right, its ok

 

[PenfoldsFan]

So the hundreds of people who aren’t running football clubs, getting legal advice, doing exactly what they’re advised to do, and in that position, you mean. Right.

So the people who posted in here to 'point it out' are running the club yeah?

Or are they just half a dozen randoms amongst the hundreds who read it and didnt feel the need to disagree?

 

[PenfoldsFan]

No, that’s what they’ve done now.
The advice they took first is what they did previously.

Your advice was one of about 3-4 options. It’s not like you split the atom, mate.

They took the initial option, then they continued to seek advice as the situation had progressed, and have continued to take it.

But from those 3 or 4 they chose theirs yeah.

I reckon they read BF and said Phatboy has led us astray, we need to listen to ML and changed tac.

 

[PenfoldsFan]

you can say I was right, its ok

Well, the people running the club now agree with you.

 

[FuManchu]

May have been the case years ago, but these days offences like this are victim-led. If the victim doesn't want to pursue charges for whatever reason, the police will drop it.

So someone could hospitalise you for
months due to an aggravated assault or even attempt murder and you can get the police to drop charges?

I don’t think so. Once criminality has been established, the police will determine if a prosecution could be successful and they will pursue.

 

[matthew_s]

I don’t think so. Once criminality has been established, the police will determine if a prosecution could be successful and they will pursue.

And when the prosecution relies heavily on the victims input / testimony?

 

[Profop]

If the charges are dropped you’d think the suppression order goes as well and his name and rumours about what happened will be all over the media

If he’s innocent you’d have to assume he would prefer it go to court

 

[kickazz]

If he’s innocent you’d have to assume he would prefer it go to court

You're kidding, right?

 

[Profop]

You're kidding, right?

There’s a lot of times that someone who is innocent might be convinced that settling out of court is a better way to go just to make the issue go away as fast as possible

Plenty to weigh up in that decision

 

[WillHayward]

So someone could hospitalise you for
months due to an aggravated assault or even attempt murder and you can get the police to drop charges?

I don’t think so. Once criminality has been established, the police will determine if a prosecution could be successful and they will pursue.

Police prepare a brief of evidence.

OPP decide on whether to lay charges

But you are right. The victim and alleged perp don't get to negotiate about charges.

 

[WillHayward]

There’s a lot of times that someone who is innocent might be convinced that settling out of court is a better way to go just to make the issue go away as fast as possible

Plenty to weigh up in that decision

But that's not how it works.

OPP either decide they have enough evidence to file charges or they don't.

There is no "settling" going on.

 

[dangerwood]

It's up to the police to determine whether they lay charges and continue with a prosecution at any time. If the majority of the evidence is reliant on a victims statement and they no longer want to provide evidence at court, then the police no longer have the evidence and will likely not proceed.

The police could subpoena a witness to appear in court but when that person is a victim, and is saying they no longer wish to testify, then it is unlikely that they would force someone to.

The police need to continuously considered the likelihood of conviction both prior to and after serving charges. Losing a witness may be an example of no longer having the evidence, there is also the possibility that the defence provides information that brings the current evidence into question and can result in charges being dropped.

If the police no longer believe they can successfully prosecute, they will drop the case because it costs lots of money and they could end up liable for costs should they continue and lose. They won't proceed if at any point they no longer think they can win.

 

[Bont the Lord]

So have the charges been dropped? There was a court case in June I thought.

 

[matthew_s]

So have the charges been dropped? There was a court case in June I thought.

If there was anything concrete it would have been posted.

 

[Willo_]

So have the charges been dropped? There was a court case in June I thought.

No one knows anything at all... It's all just speculation and rumour

 

[Munich]

I swear I saw a post on Reddit that showed him at club training a few weeks ago.

 

[WillHayward]

It's up to the police to determine whether they lay charges and continue with a prosecution at any time. If the majority of the evidence is reliant on a victims statement and they no longer want to provide evidence at court, then the police no longer have the evidence and will likely not proceed.

The police could subpoena a witness to appear in court but when that person is a victim, and is saying they no longer wish to testify, then it is unlikely that they would force someone to.

The police need to continuously considered the likelihood of conviction both prior to and after serving charges. Losing a witness may be an example of no longer having the evidence, there is also the possibility that the defence provides information that brings the current evidence into question and can result in charges being dropped.

If the police no longer believe they can successfully prosecute, they will drop the case because it costs lots of money and they could end up liable for costs should they continue and lose. They won't proceed if at any point they no longer think they can win.

Depends on the charges.

If more serious then OPP decide and file charges. Not cops. This can take time.

If a minor (summary) offence then cops can lay charges .

 

[dangerwood]

Depends on the charges.

If more serious then OPP decide and file charges. Not cops. This can take time.

If a minor (summary) offence then cops can lay charges .

Yes, thank you. I was trying to articulate that the prosecution (whichever authority that may be) can and will withdrawal charges if they no longer believe they can win. Whilst the victim doesn't have a say in withdrawing charges, if they no longer wish to testify and the prosecution is dependent on their evidence, then the prosecution will most likely withdrawal.

This is completely unrelated to this case and I have no intel in regard to it, just wanting to point out that particularly in relation to a sexual assualt, where a lot of evidence will be dependent on a victims statement - if the victim has come to a private arrangement then it is probable that the prosecution won't proceed.