Rumour Rumors of cat player in big trouble

[thegerman]

There are a few points around it - like drink driving, latency period, more consumption potentially post-driving.

Snapchat posts, if they are what is presented, don’t look good

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Given she drove, whilst you can be drunk driving, I think that maybe a point to discuss in court.

Very keen to know where they drove to.
Getting from that establishment to Newtown would merely be crossing LaTrobe.

Getting to Bell Post Hill or Leopold etc wouldn't be as simple.

 

[cats_09]

Given she drove, whilst you can be drunk driving, I think that maybe a point to discuss in court.

And while that part should likely be kept seperate from any discussion of her being in a position to give consent, I'm pretty sure none of us are naive enough to believe it won't be used to bring confusion to the situation & potentially discredit the alleged victim

 

[cats_09]

Very keen to know where they drove to.
Getting from that establishment to Newtown would merely be crossing LaTrobe.

Getting to Bell Post Hill or Leopold etc wouldn't be as simple.

One of the articles mentioned they stopped in the Dan Murphys carpark where these alleged incidents took place, before she then drove them to a house and ultimately herself home

I'm not sure it was mentioned in articles from yesterday, but ones from earlier in the year mentioned Belmont as a location - there's the Dan Murphys there behind the carpark shared with the Belmont Hotel

Not necessarily far to drive but still a bit more than just across the road

 

[canny30]

Regardless of the legal outcome there is enough grounds here for him to be administratively dismissed under 'bringing the game into disrepute' or similar.

And I think he probably deserves it.

 

[iameviljez]

Snapchat posts, if they are what is presented, don’t look good

I think it's a bit of a non-issue as such, because Snapchat is basically the communication app du jour for Gen Z/Alpha.

 

[the big lebowski]

The law says the following:

"37G Reasonable belief (1) For the purposes of this Subdivision, whether or not a person reasonably believes that another person is consenting to an act depends on the circumstances. (2) Without limiting subsection (1), the circumstances include any steps that the person has taken to find out whether the other person consents or, in the case of an offence against section 42(1), would consent to the act.

37H Effect of intoxication on reasonable belief (1) In determining whether a person who is intoxicated has a reasonable belief at any time— (a) if the intoxication is self-induced, regard must be had to the standard of a reasonable person who is not intoxicated and who is otherwise in the same circumstances as that person at the relevant time"

For the purpose of the discussion let's presume the intoxication was self-induced (but may not have been). The question then becomes, would a reasonable person (female in this case) have had sex with the accused if [she] wasn't intoxicated?

Ensuring that drinks weren’t spiked etc is a key consideration, no doubt.

The other part is something I’ve never heard brought up in court before. Other than to say, this person is drunk and passed out on a couch. If I have sex with them I can’t make a judgement on if they would consent to sex if they were sober.

People have sex 500,000 times a year. Men and women, due to alcohol impairing judgement, lowering standards, etc. and they regret it the next day when the effects of alcohol wear off.

I’m at the office Xmas party. There’s a women there that clearly likes me. But she’s “not my type” (I’m being kind and not saying something mean). I have too many drinks and make the stake of sleeping with her. Obviously she should not be charged with rape due to my poor judgement when I’m drunk.

 

[cats_09]

Regardless of the legal outcome there is enough grounds here for him to be administratively dismissed under 'bringing the game into disrepute' or similar.

And I think he probably deserves it.

Is there?

We don't know where things go from here, but if at the conclusion of this committal hearing the judge decides there's insufficient evidence to proceed with a court case and the charges are dismissed, under what legal grounds has the player "brought the game into disrepute"?

If this goes to trial & he's found guilty, then you wouldn't find a person who disagrees

But dismissing a player based on a claim that's been laid against them without them being found guilty, would surely open the door for legal action by the player against both the club and league

 

[Munich]

Hmm interesting.

What I heard months ago seems to be the case.

 

[Satan]

Local cats fans have local knowledge

 

[callmeX]

Regardless of the legal outcome there is enough grounds here for him to be administratively dismissed under 'bringing the game into disrepute' or similar.

And I think he probably deserves it.

But we are ok with all the behavior of D. Laidley are we?
Or Ben Cousins?

 

[Jim Cricket]

Ensuring that drinks weren’t spiked etc is a key consideration, no doubt.

The other part is something I’ve never heard brought up in court before. Other than to say, this person is drunk and passed out on a couch. If I have sex with them I can’t make a judgement on if they would consent to sex if they were sober.

People have sex 500,000 times a year. Men and women, due to alcohol impairing judgement, lowering standards, etc. and they regret it the next day when the effects of alcohol wear off.

I’m at the office Xmas party. There’s a women there that clearly likes me. But she’s “not my type” (I’m being kind and not saying something mean). I have too many drinks and make the stake of sleeping with her. Obviously she should not be charged with rape due to my poor judgement when I’m drunk.

I deleted that post, apologies. A person doesn't need to be passed out or unable to speak to be too intoxicated to give consent. Just because people have sex in these circumstances 500,000 times a year and don't make a complaint doesn't mean in many circumstances it wasn't r*pe. We all know that many of these incidents aren't reported to police for various reasons, some of which are plainly obvious.

 

[blackey]

But we are ok with all the behavior of D. Laidley are we?
Or Ben Cousins?

Or Ablett Snr.

 

[the big lebowski]

I deleted that post, apologies. A person doesn't need to be passed out or unable to speak to be too intoxicated to give consent. Just because people have sex in these circumstances 500,000 times a year and don't make a complaint doesn't mean in many circumstances it wasn't r*pe. We all know that many of these incidents aren't reported to police for various reasons, some of which are plainly obvious.

You are correct. You can be that drunk (but not passed out) that you don’t know what is going on around you.

Or you weren’t asked. Consent is not just verbal. It’s physical. You can let someone have sex with you, having never said yes, that’s still rape. Alcohol or not.

But if you say yes, and or engage in the act through normal mechanisms (kissing, touching, other positive body movements etc), the it’s reasonable for the other party to believe they have consent.

 

[TheEscapeClub]

Regardless of the legal outcome there is enough grounds here for him to be administratively dismissed under 'bringing the game into disrepute' or similar.

And I think he probably deserves it.

What grounds would they be?

 

[thegerman]

Hmm interesting.

What I heard months ago seems to be the case.

Any details? Happy for pm if you don’t want to post

 

[F6Typhoon]

I read a couple of the articles and the whole series of events didn't make a lot of sense to me unless you look at the relationship between the friend and the alleged victim very differently.

“Friend” could be her pimp?
And maybe thought she undercharged?

 

[cats_09]

I read a couple of the articles and the whole series of events didn't make a lot of sense to me unless you look at the relationship between the friend and the alleged victim very differently.

Potential "former friend" based on this paragraph from the news.com.au article

Called to give evidence, Harrison Martin told the court he’d been friends with the alleged victim in late 2022 and early 2023.

 

[Perrip]

[Geelong Advertiser] Ms Swadesir will not make a ruling as to if there is sufficient evidence to commit the men for trial or whether the charges should be dismissed until after she has heard the complainant’s evidence in November.

 

[cats_09]

So another couple of months of speculation at a minimum

And from the evidence given by the police officer today -

Sen-Constable Ronaldson said she had concerns about the inconsistencies in the complainant’s statement.

“I had a conversation with the complainant on two separate occasions to clarify parts of her disclosure,” she said.

The court heard the alleged victim said on dropping the men off, they added her on SnapChat and suggested “next time they could have sex”.

But neither of the accused’s Snapchat handles were associated with the complainant’s SnapChat, Sen-Constable Ronaldson said.

https://www.geelongadvertiser.com.a...d/news-story/1cac98b7f60f11b6802927493225bffd

 

[Tugga27]

But we are ok with all the behavior of D. Laidley are we?
Or Ben Cousins?

Cousins was banned for a year by the AFL.

 

[WillHayward]

This sounds like a shit show for all involved. Nobody comes out of this looking good .

But....Based on the (very limited) information it seems messy and messy usually means they walk free. Interesting dilemma for cats if and when he rocks up ready for training in a few months time.

 

[WillHayward]

But we are ok with all the behavior of D. Laidley are we?
Or Ben Cousins?

Laidley crime was excessive phone calls

 

[WillHayward]

So another couple of months of speculation at a minimum

And from the evidence given by the police officer today -

https://www.geelongadvertiser.com.a...d/news-story/1cac98b7f60f11b6802927493225bffd

Utter shitshow.

Probably won't even get to hearing.

 

[cats_09]

This sounds like a shit show for all involved. Nobody comes out of this looking good .

But....Based on the (very limited) information it seems messy and messy usually means they walk free. Interesting dilemma for cats if and when he rocks up ready for training in a few months time.

Yes/no - he's been training with the main squad since at least May, and news footage from one our training sessions earlier this week briefly showed him

It'll continue to be business as usual for club & player, until such time as there's a formal need to change that