Rumour Rumors of cat player in big trouble

[joe444]

Wow, you’ve had a mare here Joe.

Nup - the DPP has. This is not a debate about good taste or lifestyle, but about criminal charges.

I'm as staggered as many are that the evidence of false allegations seemed right out of a 1970s detective film, but it is what it is.

What I'm sick of is performative tut-tutting about morality and standards when we are talking about law.

 

[PhatBoy]

Wow, you’ve had a mare here Joe.

So many assumptions.

Any sympathy towards him is completely misguided.

He is not a victim.
The accused is making $600,000 a year. He is a 23 year old adult, not a new draftee. He’s been educated in topics of consent since he was an under 15 player at Geelong falcons. This is education would be rammed down his throat very regularly. He has either chosen to ignore this educational advice or he was too stupid to understand it.
He is in a position of privilege and took advantage of it.
He was arrogant enough to put himself in that situation. He wasn’t forced to stay out until 4.00am at a strip club. He made some very conscious and costly decisions and here we are.

He is not a victim.

I’m actually staggered at the vitriol of some Cats supporters.
This topic is beyond footy tribalism.

Two things can be true.

He can be all of the above - stupid, arrogant, ignorant, etc etc.
he could well be guilty: we don’t know.
He could also be innocent.
If he is innocent of the crime, then the fact is, then yes he is a victim, because for the rest of his life he’s not going to get called ‘stupid, arrogant, ignorant, daft’ Is he.

He’s going to get called something starting with R that, if he’s innocent, he shouldn’t be called. A brush that no one wants to be, or should be, if they aren’t one.

 

[Senor M]

I've been in the law for 25 years

I've never seen a more clear-cut case of false allegation in my life.

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Joe-- you'd think with 25 years of experience in the law that you'd understand that the case has yet to be dropped.

 

[mighty_lions]

I've been in the law for 25 years

I've never seen a more clear-cut case of false allegation in my life.

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lol in the law sure, if so then you would know there is more than 8 lines of text to an entire case

 

[Biscut]

I've been in the law for 25 years

I've never seen a more clear-cut case of false allegation in my life.

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Yep, I’m just out after 20 years in the law. Why is it that you and I can see what it is, but other (some) cant.? Because they too busy being outraged by it all.

 

[mighty_lions]

Yep, I’m just out after 20 years in the law. Why is it that you and I can see what it is, but other (some) cant.? Because they too busy being outraged by it all.

you've seen the entire case?

 

[Munich]

2 sides to every story and you volunteer the above. She may have feared for her safety or life.

That's what Heard said after she'd physically assault Depp.

 

[craffles]

The thing that concerns me the most about all of this is that irrespective of the outcome being correct or not, it’s likely to be another reason why women become even less likely to report legitimate sexual abuse.

Now, I’m not saying the alleged has any role to play in this, just that it’s already hard as shit to convict legitimate cases and there’s so many more unreported circumstances compared to false accusations.

There’s truly no winners in this situation

 

[Wojcinski]

The thing that concerns me the most about all of this is that irrespective of the outcome being correct or not, it’s likely to be another reason why women become even less likely to report legitimate sexual abuse.

Now, I’m not saying the alleged has any role to play in this, just that it’s already hard as shit to convict legitimate cases and there’s so many more unreported circumstances compared to false accusations.

There’s truly no winners in this situation

Exactly this. It's a mess for everyone

 

[callmeX]

Yeah nah. The male friend did call police (did you read the article?), and then drove to the alleged victim's house as they were worried about her safety.

Any reference to check his testimony was in relation to claiming he was kicked or punched, which wasn't captured on CCTV. That doesn't mean the friend wasn't worried that his friend was going to be r*ped.

I don't really want to go into hypotheticals, but can you think of why a male friend might slightly embellish a story to include confrontation, when he believed he let the two male co-accused leave with her and allegedly sexually assault her?

Champ the judge timed out the case for him to consult a lawyer
Fact

 

[callmeX]

Ask yourself why she didnt give evidence at the committal

Why the judge scheduled her in

And now the case is canned

Join the dots

 

[callmeX]

Ps she claimed she was soooooo drunk
But has yet to be charged for drunk driving

 

[RustNeverSleeps]

So it was a prossie trying to extract a few more dollars and made up the whole shebang as retribution.
Friggin hell, how did this progress.

 

[Saints4ever]

Unless you was there everybody is guessing.

 

[Munich]

Ask yourself why she didnt give evidence at the committal

Why the judge scheduled her in

And now the case is canned

Join the dots

What does scheduling in mean?

 

[T4P]

I've been in the law for 25 years

I've never seen a more clear-cut case of false allegation in my life.

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Then you would be familiar with the legal definition of consent, yes? It's not as simple as binary yes sex / no sex.

If something happened during the paid-for sexual services that was outside the boundaries or what was pre-agreed, that can turn consensual sex into non-consensual, even if she asked for extra money to smooth it over. We just don't know what happened, and it's a messy situation all round.

Again, as a legal professional, you should know that speculating without all the facts is unconscionable.

 

[Pistol Night]

Richmond still trying to get him life in prison this morning?

 

[Willo_]

Honestly the tribalism in here is pretty gross

You should be able to have a discussion about a matter as serious and shit as this, whichever version is the truth.. And not be so aligned to one side of the other just because of what colour footy jumper the accused wears.

 

[T4P]

The thing that concerns me the most about all of this is that irrespective of the outcome being correct or not, it’s likely to be another reason why women become even less likely to report legitimate sexual abuse.

Now, I’m not saying the alleged has any role to play in this, just that it’s already hard as shit to convict legitimate cases and there’s so many more unreported circumstances compared to false accusations.

There’s truly no winners in this situation

And anything that goes remotely public results in a pile-on of false accusation accusations, further reinforcing the cycle.

Comparatively speaking, as the person with the balance of power, it is easier to not let yourself get into a position where you can be meaningfully accused of rape.

 

[T4P]

Honestly the tribalism in here is pretty gross

You should be able to have a discussion about a matter as serious and shit as this, whichever version is the truth.. And not be so aligned to one side of the other just because of what colour footy jumper the accused wears.

Agree. But inevitably people see the team aligned with the poster and assume partisanship.

 

[Willo_]

Richmond still trying to get him life in prison this morning?

It's good to know others have noticed it and it's not just a Cats fan thing

 

[Pistol Night]

It's good to know others have noticed it and it's not just a Cats fan thing

We went through this shit with DeGoey so its frustrating

 

[T4P]

Richmond still trying to get him life in prison this morning?

if you're referring to my posts, I'm simply pointing out that this shit is messy and that what has happened in the legal process doesn't necessarily reflect reality.

Would it have progressed this far unless there was meaningful evidence beyond a mere baseless accusation? Probably not. Does that mean a sexual offence likely occurred? We can't say, but pointing out specific bits of the news to state definitive opinions is entirely unhelpful.

We shouldn't really be going any further than agreeing that the legal system is currently extremely unfavourable for victims of sexual offences, and hoping all involved get the supports they need.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

the Geelong nuffies are out in force, would hope so after that horrific finger injury

You calling anyone else a nuffy is highly ironic.

 

[MisterMarcus]

It isn't always about the club you support.

So why are exactly the same Richmond posters who were defending Balta (and aggressively attacking Balta's victim) to the hilt even after he was found guilty, now condemning a Geelong player even after he’s been found no case to answer?

And almost all the posters who are so desperate for him to be guilty are the ones with the biggest chips on their shoulders about Geelong...