Scott Morrison - How Long? (Part 1 - Continued in Part 2)

[Geelong_Sicko]

No...Religion is a personal & private thing that needs to be kept out of politics & the civic sphere.....The separation of church & state enacted in the public forum.

What Scomo did by preaching his faith & his religion, as paramount immediately upon his selection, was to put it front & centre as a topic of public discourse & debate......The bloke is a straight-up moron.....Which is just how Ruprect likes em to be.

To my mind 'faith' is the private and personal thing. 'Religion' is the socio-political structure that grows to bind adherents of faith. Scott Morrison's faith should never be mocked - but the trappings of his religion and his contributions to it while holding elected public office?

It bears watching and scrutiny.

Same goesfor people of all faiths who aspire to public office to serve constituents who reflect all manner of belief outside their own. They don't serve gods while in office, they serve the People.

 

[RonSon]

I'll first say that my political leanings are of the left variety and I make no apology for believing in equity and fairness over greed and exploitation. Having said that, I'm also a firm believer in Democracy and the Democratic process. Either of the major parties having too great a majority for them to be one election away from opposition is not good for democracy in my view.

The Libs have trashed their own brand, they no longer represent the ethics Menzies founded the party upon, and I hope Labor ends up with a decent majority in both houses so as to make progress on pressing issues such as energy policy, start a royal commission into the influence of Jones, Hadley etc and do other important overdue work, but a 100 to 50 seat majority worries me.

Oh, and I feel absolutely NO sympathy for Morrison; a God bothering opportunist.

My folks have always said and still think Australian voters are smart enough to realise to vote differently in the house vs the senate when there looks like being a large majority but I've never shared their faith in the voting public.

 

[AM]

I would think they probably fall under the same category as Parliamentary Secretaries.

My understanding is that under the Parliamentary regs Parliamentary Secretaries are regarded as a class of Minister. I think they may have recently been re-designated as assistant ministers.

 

[Pessimistic]

A certain side goes all melty when Islam is mocked

Even though it stands for everything they attempt to preach and stand for

Projecting

 

[Crankyhawk]

I think the only difference between cults and religions is the number of followers.

So small cults and big cults then

 

[BlueBayou]

Australian voters are smart enough to realise to vote differently in the house vs the senate when there looks like being a large majority

I'm more of the opinion this is political folklore rather than a deliberate act. It's just co-incidence in my view.

 

[The Casey Cat]

My leanings are probably slight right. And I'm in no way about to vote LNP. Tells you a lot about where they are at and how deluded the RWNJ tail wagging that dog is.

And agree no party having gigantic majorities is good but it's what we're going to get while either keep doing such a disgraceful job while in office and are preoccupied with knifing leaders, clinging to power (or seats in general) and general ignorant self interest.

I'll first say that my political leanings are of the left variety and I make no apology for believing in equity and fairness over greed and exploitation. Having said that, I'm also a firm believer in Democracy and the Democratic process. Either of the major parties having too great a majority for them to be one election away from opposition is not good for democracy in my view.

The Libs have trashed their own brand, they no longer represent the ethics Menzies founded the party upon, and I hope Labor ends up with a decent majority in both houses so as to make progress on pressing issues such as energy policy, start a royal commission into the influence of Jones, Hadley etc and do other important overdue work, but a 100 to 50 seat majority worries me.

Oh, and I feel absolutely NO sympathy for Morrison; a God bothering opportunist.

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[Procrastinator35]

A certain side goes all melty when Islam is mocked

Even though it stands for everything they attempt to preach and stand for

It usually helps in having a basic, rudimentary understanding of the religion first.....So as not to confuse it with Wahhabi fundamentalism.

That way, your criticisms won't be founded upon a straw-man & thereby attract the derision they so rightly deserve.

 

[RonSon]

I'm more of the opinion this is political folklore rather than a deliberate act. It's just co-incidence in my view.

Yep I always thought the same, I would be interested to know if there is some correlation in the stats.

 

[E Shed]

To my mind 'faith' is the private and personal thing. 'Religion' is the socio-political structure that grows to bind adherents of faith. Scott Morrison's faith should never be mocked - but the trappings of his religion and his contributions to it while holding elected public office?

It bears watching and scrutiny.

Same goesfor people of all faiths who aspire to public office to serve constituents who reflect all manner of belief outside their own. They don't serve gods while in office, they serve the People.

Well said. Unfortunately some people of religious bent don't trust God to get the job done (which is strange in itself as he's supposed to be omnipotent) and put all societies ills down to people not following their particular combination of beliefs (and more importantly to them, rules) so they feel justified in infiltrating political parties to create theocracy by stealth. Its happening with the state Libs in WA. The northern suburbs are full of happy clappers who are stacking branches left and right.

BTW I think the difference between a cult & a religion is that once the cult leader is dead the followers take it over and turn it into a religion.

 

[Dry Rot]

Bad planets are lining up for ScoMo. New energy minister Angus Taylor and his views may not do the trick.

Generators and big energy users say Scott Morrison’s move to decouple carbon emissions cuts from energy policy has dealt a blow to investor certainty, threatening his overriding goal of bringing down power prices....

The Australian Energy Council, representing 21 major energy companies, said dropping the Paris commitment from energy policy “means a continuation of the price instability and investment uncertainty we have been dealing with in this market for more than a decade”.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/na...y/news-story/660d8962b7a5ce268cb1ff5d72988069

 

[Catters 070911]

So what’s the reason for record peacetime defence spending? FMD the libs are even proud to say that

To create jobs.

Also, you never know when a terrorist attack or 9/11 style attack could happen on Australian soil.

Spending money on defence is more worthwhile then spending it on pink batts.

 

[Pessimistic]

To create jobs.

Also, you never know when a terrorist attack or 9/11 style attack could happen on Australian soil.

Spending money on defence is more worthwhile then spending it on pink batts.

Yep, those submarines are going to make the suicide bombers think twice

And pink batts are a no brainer, simplest form of energy savings, and never need replacing or become obsolescent

 

[Catters 070911]

Yep, those submarines are going to make the suicide bombers think twice

And pink batts are a no brainer, simplest form of energy savings, and never need replacing or become obsolescent

Yet the pink batts were a financial disaster, and were so unpopular that it made Rudd lose polls, and put him in a position where Gillard can challenge him.

 

[Procrastinator35]

To create jobs.

Also, you never know when a terrorist attack or 9/11 style attack could happen on Australian soil.

Spending money on defence is more worthwhile then spending it on pink batts.

Not sure if serious.

 

[Vader]

Yet the pink batts were a financial disaster, and were so unpopular that it made Rudd lose polls, and put him in a position where Gillard can challenge him.

Pink Batts got Krudd into trouble because he rushed the process through, resulting in people being killed. The problem was the deaths, not the financial side of things. It probably would have been a good policy if the implementation was better (i.e. not allowing untrained monkeys into roofing voids, where they came into contact with shoddy electrical wiring).

 

[RonSon]

Pink Batts got Krudd into trouble because he rushed the process through, resulting in people being killed. The problem was the deaths, not the financial side of things. It probably would have been a good policy if the implementation was better (i.e. not allowing untrained monkeys into roofing voids, where they came into contact with shoddy electrical wiring).

The rate of deaths per installation did not increase.

 

[Richard Pryor]

To my mind 'faith' is the private and personal thing. 'Religion' is the socio-political structure that grows to bind adherents of faith. Scott Morrison's faith should never be mocked - but the trappings of his religion and his contributions to it while holding elected public office?

It bears watching and scrutiny.

Same goesfor people of all faiths who aspire to public office to serve constituents who reflect all manner of belief outside their own. They don't serve gods while in office, they serve the People.

I remember when Abbott was in office wondering what would happen if the Pope actually called for a Crusade to retake Jerusalem or something. Would the fact Australians would be against it change his mind from his holy mission?

Of course, I think we can see from Francis sounding the alarm bells about climate change how much he really cares about what the Pope thinks. Still food for thought though.

 

[Richard Pryor]

I think the only difference between cults and religions is the number of followers.

I actually think there is a big difference. Religions are more compatible with mainstream society, and thus don't need to actively isolate their members from the mainstream and cut them off from their support networks outside the religion to maintain their faith, whereas cults are so whacky and/or oppressive that a normal healthy relationship outside of it will sound alarm bells for the hapless cult member and result in them leaving.

The more the mainstream shifts away from a religions values the more cultlike a religion will become (and, while I'm not aware of it happening, a mainstream shift towards a cults values should result in it becoming less cultlike and more like a religion).

Can't remember exactly but I think the definition of a cult from some kind of official body I read about was that it's based on how it treats its followers more than any actual doctrine.

 

[Hawk Dork]

To create jobs.

Also, you never know when a terrorist attack or 9/11 style attack could happen on Australian soil.

Spending money on defence is more worthwhile then spending it on pink batts.

Not spending money invading countries and creating terrorist threats would be a cheaper solution

 

[Baltimore Jack]

To my mind 'faith' is the private and personal thing. 'Religion' is the socio-political structure that grows to bind adherents of faith. Scott Morrison's faith should never be mocked - but the trappings of his religion and his contributions to it while holding elected public office?

It bears watching and scrutiny.

Same goesfor people of all faiths who aspire to public office to serve constituents who reflect all manner of belief outside their own. They don't serve gods while in office, they serve the People.

Why are religious beliefs above question?

If I said that there are pink elephants on Mars who speak English with a slight French accent would I not be mad?

What difference any of the Abrahamic Delusions?

 

[Richard Pryor]

Why are religious beliefs above question?

If I said that there are pink elephants on Mars who speak English with a slight French accent would I not be mad?

What difference any of the Abrahamic Delusions?

My ethos is that unless you're actively trying to make me believe in pink elephants on Mars, are engaging in self-destructive behaviour based on that belief, or are lobbying the government on behalf of that belief it's a dick move to pillory you for it.

When it comes to politicians though I think it's different, as Geelong_Sicko says, their electorate should come before their personal beliefs, and a belief in a Divine Deity would seem to give a politician an opinion that overrules the petty opinions of mortal men. If a religious person believes that their religion is the only valid blueprint for society it is unrealistic to expect them not to try and enforce that blueprint in favor of crafting a collective blueprint.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

My ethos is that unless you're actively trying to make me believe in pink elephants on Mars, are engaging in self-destructive behaviour based on that belief, or are lobbying the government on behalf of that belief it's a dick move to pillory you for it.

So its ok to be delusional as long as I don't insist that others must be similarly delusional?
And this is the mindset you think a PM should have?

 

[Hawk Dork]

Dont mind the Christians who get into power to look after the poor and the meek ,its the ones who claim theyre Christian and yet only have empathy for the money lenders that worry me

 

[Richard Pryor]

So its ok to be delusional as long as I don't insist that must be similarly delusional?
And this is the mindset you think a PM should have?

I think my edits address the PM part. On delusional beliefs though, I think everyone holds some delusional beliefs (eg. nobody can change seats if Hawthorn is having a good run in the footy), and which beliefs are too delusional is entirely subjective. Religious people think atheism is delusional, and trying to stamp out religion based on it being too delusional for mainstream society would likely result in atheism becoming just as dogmatic as religion and trying to stamp out religion in the same way as religion wants to stamp out atheism (see Soviet Union).

I would be sad to see kooks stamped out as well, I love hearing about the absolutely ludicrous stuff Richard Hoagland pumps out for example.