Analysis SETTLE IT: Why didn't Crows go for Mattaes Phillipou?

[George Kramer]

Bowes would also have been comfortably a best 22 player so even if we had to pay him $1m per year it wouldn't have been a total loss of money.

I would have been comfortable giving up $1.6 to $1.8m of salary cap space over 4 years to nab Bowes and Rankine for zero draft capital

Bowes looks pretty ordinary, if he’s best 22 we wouldn’t be going to well

 

[Crow till I die]

Bowes looks pretty ordinary, if he’s best 22 we wouldn’t be going to well

Yeah, but Phillipou running around next to him in our midfield would offset any concern I would have had with that deal

 

[George Kramer]

Yeah, but Phillipou running around next to him in our midfield would offset any concern I would have had with that deal

I would have done it if we could, just commenting that Bowes looks pretty ordinary and can see why Gold Coast wanted him gone. I don’t think he will be in Geelongs side in a couple of months.

 

[50BC]

Whatever the reason, it didn't happen. How long are people going to keep wetting the bed over it? I was disappointed, but it's time to move on.

 

[Crow till I die]

I would have done it if we could, just commenting that Bowes looks pretty ordinary and can see why Gold Coast wanted him gone. I don’t think he will be in Geelongs side in a couple of months.

Yep...but there is still the elephant in the room that as soon as Geelong made the deal, the renegotiated Bowes contract - how the hell could the AFL have allowed that when it involved pick bloody 7 in the draft also coming their way..its one rule for the big Vic clubs and another for us - remember what we were looking at with Brad Crouch to get St Kilda to up the offer to get better FA compensation - VFL shut it right down as it would have been us that benefited - not a big vic club. Whilst I think about it..didn't Brisbane and Essendon do something like that with Daniher in the same trade period and it was nothing to see here from the VFL as Essendon were the beneficiaries.

 

[George Kramer]

Yep...but there is still the elephant in the room that as soon as Geelong made the deal, the renegotiated Bowes contract - how the hell could the AFL have allowed that when it involved pick bloody 7 in the draft also coming their way..its one rule for the big Vic clubs and another for us - remember what we were looking at with Brad Crouch to get St Kilda to up the offer to get better FA compensation - VFL shut it right down as it would have been us that benefited - not a big vic club. Whilst I think about it..didn't Brisbane and Essendon do something like that with Daniher in the same trade period and it was nothing to see here from the VFL as Essendon were the beneficiaries.

Because Geelong

 

[Scorpus]

Bowes looks pretty ordinary, if he’s best 22 we wouldn’t be going to well

We've won 16 games and lost 31 across the last 2 and a bit seasons.

We aren't going too well

 

[GreyCrow]

Whatever the reason, it didn't happen. How long are people going to keep wetting the bed over it? I was disappointed, but it's time to move on.

No you're right. It's been 25 years. It's time to move on.

 

[George Kramer]

We've won 16 games and lost 31 across the last 2 and a bit seasons.

We aren't going too well

What happened over the last 2 seasons isn’t relevant, it’s what happening now and in the future. Have you seen him play this year? Whose spot is he taking?

 

[50BC]

No you're right. It's been 25 years. It's time to move

5 months, or 25 years, doesn't matter. Done is done

 

[119others]

We are a club living in the 1990's trying to come to terms with 2020's and failing. If it was Geelong, Richmond or PA and they had no other options available they would get it done. Ive seen him play last year and he had TALENT.

Does Rankine have talent in your view?

 

[GreyCrow]

5 months, or 25 years, doesn't matter. Done is done

It's all and from here on in

 

[glengowan]

Is it possible our plan for this upcoming trade period was already set in stone? Will Day

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Will Day

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22

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191cm

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83kg

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Mid

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Last 5

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17.5

4star

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10.0

4star

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7.5

5star

M

5.0

5star

T

1.0

3star

CL

0.5

2star

D

17.5

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

7.5

4star

M

5.0

5star

T

1.0

2star

CL

0.5

3star

D

17.5

5star

K

10.0

4star

HB

7.5

5star

M

5.0

5star

T

1.0

3star

CL

0.5

3star

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[50BC]

It's all and from here on in

Yeah right-o mate, keep raking over last November then if you think that will make a difference.

 

[Eagleboy2011]

Does Rankine have talent in your view?

He's a star. Priority 1. My point was we should have tried for both. The clubs I mention would have and succeeded.

 

[Scorpus]

What happened over the last 2 seasons isn’t relevant, it’s what happening now and in the future. Have you seen him play this year? Whose spot is he taking?

Wayne Milera or Brodie Smith

 

[Eagleboy2011]

We've won 16 games and lost 31 across the last 2 and a bit seasons.

We aren't going too well

With you. A club like us should never, ever be near the bottom. 16 wins to me is unacceptable rebuild or no rebuild. Top clubs rebuild but never bottom out for long periods.

 

[50BC]

I'm thrilled we added 2 first rounders in Rankine and Michalanney and still kept a strong hand for next year. Was hoping we'd find a way to pick up Philipou as well, but we didn't, we spent the off-season discussing it but now there is actual football on to discuss. People seem to be repeating ad nauseum what was said all off-season, just don't see what that achieves now at this point given we have all heard it.

 

[119others]

He's a star. Priority 1. My point was we should have tried for both. The clubs I mention would have and succeeded.

you cant categorically know we didn't try for both (AND the clear risk that Dons didn't pick him at pick 4 which would have stuffed things anyway) but either way our last 3 years of drafting and trading has been exceptional so perhaps the glass isn't always half empty...unless you dont rate TT, Pedlar, Rachelle, Rankine, Soligo, Murray, Max plus more potential (Schoey, Cook, Berry)

 

[George Kramer]

Wayne Milera or Brodie Smith

No chance. Have you watched him play this year? And if we were to replace them we’d want someone decent.

 

[Scorpus]

No chance. Have you watched him play this year? And if we were to replace them we’d want someone decent.

Yep and I've seen plenty of him at the Gold Coast too

 

[Mutineer]

He's a star. Priority 1. My point was we should have tried for both. The clubs I mention would have and succeeded.

We bloody well did!!!!

 

[MarcusP2]

Yep...but there is still the elephant in the room that as soon as Geelong made the deal, the renegotiated Bowes contract - how the hell could the AFL have allowed that when it involved pick bloody 7 in the draft also coming their way..its one rule for the big Vic clubs and another for us - remember what we were looking at with Brad Crouch to get St Kilda to up the offer to get better FA compensation - VFL shut it right down as it would have been us that benefited - not a big vic club. Whilst I think about it..didn't Brisbane and Essendon do something like that with Daniher in the same trade period and it was nothing to see here from the VFL as Essendon were the beneficiaries.

Yes Brisbane signed Daniher to a big 3 year deal to trigger Band 1 compo then extended him for 2 years on lower cash the next year - which would've probably dropped the compo band.

 

[ABAB]

He's a star. Priority 1. My point was we should have tried for both. The clubs I mention would have and succeeded.

The other clubs would have tried but not necessarily succeed since GCS were always going to trade out Bowes with their 1st rounder. Pity he didn't want to live in SA.

 

[119others]

We bloody well did!!!!

Great to hear.

Do you know what format that took? Asking Dons for pick 4 before or on draft night? Or other? Dodo-ro is well known as the most difficult List Mgr to deal with so would have likely had way over the top demands for pick 4 I assume..

Either way, with 3 reported meetings with Mattaes just before the draft we have clearly conveyed our serious interest in him going forward and I imagine will be already dangling a nice juicy carrot in front of him. Seeing Dawson and Rankine and the huge ADL Oval atmosphere with a finals bound team over coming years should be an easier sell. I think its harder to get players from the big VIC clubs (inc Geelong and their ingenious salary cap 'strategies') compared to smaller teams like Saints, Dogs, Kangas and even the Horks are in for a number of years of pain hopefully making Day think twice