Sheedy attacks Walls' credibility

[Outoftheblue]

Amid all the glee that Walls is copping a bit of a whack, take a look at what has actually been said.

Among the personal attacks, did Sheedy actually address Walls' main criticism of him - that maybe he spent more time on the sideshows than the main job?
It's actually a criticism I've heard before from Essendon supporters.

Sheedy also mentions that at least Tim Watson ''sugar-coats'' his comments, so if Walls tippy-toed around what he thought, presumably all would be OK.

Is that what we really want: a media full of commentators too scared to say anything in case they offended someone?

 

[The Royal Sampler]

That's ridiculous, Walls doesn't have credibility.

 

[ManWithNoName]

Is that what we really want: a media full of commentators too scared to say anything in case they offended someone?

What I want is a special comments man who'll stand by his opinion and admit to being wrong. If Walls is proven wrong he'll act like he was right all along, even if what he's saying is at direct odds with what he said earlier.

 

[CattyBossDog]

I thought

Nah. You didn't.

 

[Outoftheblue]

What I want is a special comments man who'll stand by his opinion and admit to being wrong. If Walls is proven wrong he'll act like he was right all along, even if what he's saying is at direct odds with what he said earlier.

I don't disagree that it's easy for Walls to sit back at take pot shots at everyone, but I'm just curious as to whether Essendon supporters reckon Sheedy sometimes is more interested in the side issues than the main coaching job. That was the criticism and he didn't really answer that.

 

[ManWithNoName]

I don't disagree that it's easy for Walls to sit back at take pot shots at everyone, but I'm just curious as to whether Essendon supporters reckon Sheedy sometimes is more interested in the side issues than the main coaching job. That was the criticism and he didn't really answer that.

Is he interested in side issues? Yes. But I don't think more interested. His focus is the team.

 

[CF]

Ohhh I love it. Good on Sheedy sticking it up Walls (Ted Whitten style). Walls is such a huge windbag with opinions which are outdated and so biased it isn't funny. The guy had a go at Bomber, Dean Laidley and Chris Connelly for the winning % records when he has only a 47% winning ratio during his coaching career. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. TV coverage would be better if Walls retired to playing golf and let people who know the modern game take over.

 

[saintsrule]

Ohhh I love it. Good on Sheedy sticking it up Walls (Ted Whitten style). Walls is such a huge windbag with opinions which are outdated and so biased it isn't funny. The guy had a go at Bomber, Dean Laidley and Chris Connelly for the winning % records when he has only a 47% winning ratio during his coaching career. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. TV coverage would be better if Walls retired to playing golf and let people who know the modern game take over.

As I said previously, Walls and Sheedy write for opposing newspapers. Nice juxtaposition. Neither one would be giving the other the grief that you guys are!

 

[Crow-mo]

Sheeds is half right in this article when calling into question Walls' credibility on some issues. The Richmond and Brisbane question marks were pretty simplistic and he was guilty of the same lack of analysis he accuses Walls of.

Agree with this.

they're both hall of fame football personalities - so they don't like each other. big deal.

what is hilarious is watching a bunch of BF nobodies going on as if this is anything other than a bitch fest between 2 greats i.e. neither of them is in the right.

Sheedy has had a better coaching career though Wall's is impressive, and Walls was a much better player though sheedy has nothing to be ashamed of.

Maybe sheedy should focus on how he is actually going to rebuild the essendon football club, and not get caught up in petty personal agenda's.

 

[Crow-mo]

It's irrelevant, Walls got sacked just two years after Elliot bought him a premiership, Walls is a nothing coach and doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as greats like Sheedy, Hafey, Jeans, Barassi and co

last I checked, you weren't real old in 1987 - that's some recollection you've got there?

save us the opinions of your dad, dressed up as your own.

 

[sen entertainment bloke]

Maybe sheedy should focus on how he is actually going to rebuild the essendon football club, and not get caught up in petty personal agenda's.

The Essendon list becomes aware of Sheedy standing up to Walls. They play better footy. All's good.

 

[CattyBossDog]

The Essendon list becomes aware of Sheedy standing up to Walls. They play better footy. All's good.

Yep, that's a great tactic.


Next week he should give Caro a rip. That'll really get the boys going.

 

[Crow-mo]

Wallsy has become a bit lazy ... instead of engaging his brain, he now often says whatever will get him a headline and satisfy the editors or the first thing that comes to him.

Many of his articles have been overly critical, but he also gives credit where it's due and has written some excellent pieces.

Walls the media man should not be confused with Walls the coach, however.


He did an excellent job at Fitzroy when he was there and probably kept them alive longer than they otherwise would have been. Look at his last Fitzroy side - half of them are AFL coaches or assistant coaches. Coincidence?

Tactically he was an astute coach, and he did enjoy success. Taking the Tigers job was a mistake when he was 'worn out', and Walls has since said that.


But at least Wallsy doesn't try and please everyone all the time, like most of the ex-players and ex-coaches in the media.


And Sheeds .... well Mr. Smokescreen is at it again .... he wants another contract, and only a finals appearance will deliver it. The pressure is getting to him ...

I agree with this 100%

 

[sen entertainment bloke]

Yep, that's a great tactic.


Next week he should give Caro a rip. That'll really get the boys going.

Carlton and the Kangaroos are trying the give Caro a serve improvement method.

Paid off for Carlton last night, to. Pity is the dog on acid can't count the amount of goals he kicked.

 

[CattyBossDog]

Carlton and the Kangaroos are trying the give Caro a serve improvement method.

Paid off for Carlton last night, to. Pity is the dog on acid can't count the amount of goals he kicked.

 

[OB1]

Simple thinker. Compare the sides they've coached. That 47% rates at least as good as Sheeds 60%.

One of the dumbest thing I've ever read on these forums. What next, you gonna tell us StKilda's 26 spoons are just as good as a flag? 60% over 26 years is an great record & way way way better than 47% over a much shorter time frame. IF Walls was good enough he would have been given more time at at least 1 of the clubs & been able to fully build a team himself just as Sheedy has done several times. But alas he just wasn't good enough. I have no doubt he thinks he was good enough but the clubs didn't agree with him.

Without re-reding every single post is there anyone at all defending Walls other than Carlton supporters? I've read posts from supporters of most clubs backing Sheedy (which is unheard of round these parts) but only remember reading any support of Walls from Blues. It must be a bit like Collingwood fans trying to say Eddie wasn't a biased commentator - can't see the forest for the trees I guess.

 

[berlinswans]

This one really must have got the sheeds and a lot of other people so Wallsy must be doing a good job in his CURRENT position as a media commentator and critic. People read his articles and get upset when he lets loose with his "he's no good" tirades. He doesnt pull punches and it sells. He gets under peoples skins but thats part of his gig.

Personally i think its hilarious.

Coaches say all the time that they don't take notice of what the media says but that seems to be a porky. Sheeds is a media man too and isnt averse to the odd radical remark.

I dont think an AFL hall of famer such as Wallsy really needs to prove his credibility to any of us.

 

[Eagle87]

I could not agree more with Sheedy. Walls never shuts up when commentating Essendon games about how they have underachieved while Sheedy has been coaching. I do not think that anyone could challenge the fact that Walls was a good player and a pretty coach, but as Sheedy argues, he needs to put aside grudges and be more constructive in his criticisms. Walls would do well to remember that Carlton has not exactly performed that well over the past decade.

should this be in the drugs thread???????

 

[OB1]

Anyone can perform a king hit. You don't have to be fit to do it. Wallis was an expert at them though. That's why he got a gig.

So its progressed to a king hit now. I suggest you go back & just take another look at the incident. You may save yourself some future embarrassment.

 

[Crow-mo]

One of the dumbest thing I've ever read on these forums.

why? have you just learnt to read?

surely you'd concede that not every victory and every club is created equal?

IF Walls was good enough he would have been given more time at at least 1 of the clubs & been able to fully build a team himself just as Sheedy has done several times. But alas he just wasn't good enough. I have no doubt he thinks he was good enough but the clubs didn't agree with him.

what are you talking about? at least throbbie had the courage to at least tackle the ninthmond job

seriously, 4 clubs - the last one he should've left alone. Sheedy has had a lot of success at a rich club. exactly when did he ever do it hard?
I would begrudge sheeds his record, but more than once he's bottled the chance to go back to richmond. where exactly is the parallels to coaching Fitzroy or Brisbane Bears?

who knows how he'd go without the resources of a silver spoon club?

Without re-reding every single post is there anyone at all defending Walls other than Carlton supporters? I've read posts from supporters of most clubs backing Sheedy (which is unheard of round these parts) but only remember reading any support of Walls from Blues. It must be a bit like Collingwood fans trying to say Eddie wasn't a biased commentator - can't see the forest for the trees I guess.

well some saints & adelaide fans... and anyone not so ****ed in the head to think a guy in the Hall of Fame perhaps knows a thing or too.

 

[Crow-mo]

I dont think an AFL hall of famer such as Wallsy really needs to prove his credibility to any of us.

exactly!

 

[RoyalBlue]

Not normally a fan of Sheedy and think his time might be up at the Dons, but do admire his massive acheivements.

However this is gold. Walls is a pratt. The baseless 'Northern Kangaroos' article the other day did it for me.

Sheeds takes it back too, he copped it in the Marshmellow game. Stick it to Walls.

 

[DeadlyAkkuret]

I'm not usually the type to agree with Kev, but his statements on Walls are spot on!! It's about time this fading old fool was called out on his negative, bitter analysis on almost everything that is football.

As a Sydney fan, last year was hilarious as Walls was constantly sucking up during every Swans game he was commentating, a complete back-flip from '05, when he took every opportunity he got to critisize us and give us no hope of having any success. The season ended with him having egg all over his face, and it'll be a great day when we don't have to listen to or read about what this fossil has to say.

 

[Smyth94]

last I checked, you weren't real old in 1987 - that's some recollection you've got there?

save us the opinions of your dad, dressed up as your own.

My age is relevant to this discussion? I didn't know

Or are you simply suprised that I take the time to know a little on VFL/AFL history?

Everyone knows Carlton bought the '87 premiership, you know it, I know it, BF knows it. For a champion of Carlton in the 70's to get sacked just a mere 2 years after a flag says it all about Walls' coaching credibility.

 

[Crow-mo]

My age is relevant to this discussion? I didn't know

what were you 1, maybe 2 years old? it's very relevant - particularly as to whether the opinions are your own, or just even made up. I'd rather not listen to the pronouncements of someone who cannot recall anything about the situations.

Or are you simply suprised that I take the time to know a little on VFL/AFL history?

I am surprised you're trying to pretend to have an opinion on something that happened before you could walk.

Everyone knows Carlton bought the '87 premiership, you know it, I know it, BF knows it. For a champion of Carlton in the 70's to get sacked just a mere 2 years after a flag says it all about Walls' coaching credibility.

ah, the old everyone knows argument. which unfortunately just goes to show up your "argument" if you can call it that.

did Hawthorn "buy" 1986, 1988 & 1989 too?