Should they come forward?

[Keystone agony]

Some players might not yet know that they have taken anything illegal in the past year or so but ignorance is no way out. If its been detected and in your system your gone.

If these players that may or may not be from out football club dont come forward its a minimum 2 years punishment.

Do you think they should come forward?

If you were in the same position would you come forward?

Even though if they came forward 2013 might be just about a write off depending on the quantity, but at least 2014 might be something we could possibly redeem ourselves with.

If no one comes forward and we are guilty im writing 2013,2014,2015 off and i think our time after the Goddard, Watson, Stanton, Fletcher time might be past and we will have to slightly rebuild again.

 

[Towno78]

Some players might not yet know that they have taken anything illegal in the past year or so but ignorance is no way out. If its been detected and in your system your gone.

If these players that may or may not be from out football club dont come forward its a minimum 2 years punishment.

Do you think they should come forward?

If you were in the same position would you come forward?

Even though if they came forward 2013 might be just about a write off depending on the quantity, but at least 2014 might be something we could possibly redeem ourselves with.

If no one comes forward and we are guilty im writing 2013,2014,2015 off and i think our time after the Goddard, Watson, Stanton, Fletcher time might be past and we will have to slightly rebuild again.

No dude. I think you're getting mixed up.

The coming forward part is about recreational drugs only. There is no loophole for banned performance enhancing drugs, their penalty may be reduced but still massive.

"Oh Mr Demetriou, my drink was spiked with some drug concoction which may have included steroids, HGH, EPO, I dunno I'm not quite sure, but just letting you know. K?"

 

[Keystone agony]

No dude. You're getting mixed up.

The coming forward part is about recreational drugs only. There is no loophole for banned performance enhancing drugs, their penalty may be reduced but still massive.

"Oh Mr Demetriou, my drink was spiked with some drug concoction which may have included steroids, HGH, EPO, I dunno I'm not quite sure, but just letting you know. K?"

That isnt the case

By coming forward and admitting you took something can decrease the penalty. Its why Lance Armstrong came out and did the interview with Oprah.

 

[Towno78]

That isnt the case

By coming forward and admitting you took something can decrease the penalty. Its why Lance Armstrong came out and did the interview with Oprah.

Yes you can get a reduced ban, which is what I said, but it will still be severe.

No Lance Armstrong did not get a reduced ban for coming out in the interview with Oprah. Firstly, the interview was well and truly after the fact. Secondly, he has a LIFE ban.
He did have the opportunity many years ago to be a whistle blower, he would have received a reduced ban, it would still have been BIG.

 

[Keystone agony]

Yes you can get a reduced ban, which is what I said, but it will still be severe.

No Lance Armstrong did not get a reduced ban for coming out in the interview with Oprah. Firstly, the interview was well and truly after the fact. Secondly, he has a LIFE ban.
He did have the opportunity many years ago to be a whistle blower, he would have received a reduced ban, it would still have been BIG.

No it isnt

You said recreational drugs only

He doesnt get locked up because of it for as long or at all - ie: reduced ban

 

[Yoda_]

Wonder if players from other clubs come out and admit they have been taking something "suspicious"!!

Nick Maxwell said he trusts what the doctors are giving him and Andeww Carrazo has come out and suggested Blues players have sometimes taken 'supplements'..

Thing is, pretty sure (not 100%) the 'supplements' we were taking was not traceable.. Half the AFL could have been doing this and no one would know, we are just the nice guys coming forward and clean..

 

[Old Campaigner]

The club has in effect come forward. By offering full cooperation I assume they are saying that the players will be open about what was taken.

 

[Keystone agony]

The club has in effect come forward. By offering full cooperation I assume they are saying that the players will be open about what was taken.

What had happened so far by the means of you saying "the club has come forward" would not reduce any penalties

 

[essendon2008]

The club has in effect come forward. By offering full cooperation I assume they are saying that the players will be open about what was taken.

I have a feeling that the club coming forward will not be taken into account when individual players are being assessed. The club coming forward is probably more to keep the AFL happy whereas the drug agencies will still come down hard on the players, regardless of what happend to Essendon.

This is all my understanding/interpretation though so I am happy to be proven wrong.

 

[Keystone agony]

I have a feeling that the club coming forward will not be taken into account when individual players are being assessed. The club coming forward is probably more to keep the AFL happy whereas the drug agencies will still come down hard on the players, regardless of what happend to Essendon.

This is all my understanding/interpretation though so I am happy to be proven wrong.

No way in hell will it, its already been said by people that know

It has to be individual, you cant have someone speak for you. It has to be from the horses mouth of admittance

 

[BrunoV]

The club coming forward was a PR management exercise. It is always better to break that story yourself rather than getting caught out and have to defend against it.

As far as we've been told the players have nothing to admit.

 

[Old Campaigner]

I have a feeling that the club coming forward will not be taken into account when individual players are being assessed. The club coming forward is probably more to keep the AFL happy whereas the drug agencies will still come down hard on the players, regardless of what happend to Essendon.

This is all my understanding/interpretation though so I am happy to be proven wrong.

No the club coming forward won't matter when it comes to punishing individual actions, but the fact that they are saying they will cooperate fully might mean the players have been told by the club to cooperate fully as well. Which would mean being open about anything they took.

 

[ant555]

Reason the club has come forward was the federal investigation into Dank was going to break, Barret knew of the investigation and found the weakest link in Reimers to comment on it.
The simple fact is the federal police have been looking into links with Dank and the supply of some materials from black market supply. He was given the flick last July/August after the club became aware of it . The investigation in no way involved EFC.
Once the story broke the club (and the AFL for that matter) where left no choice but to ask ASADA for a full audit.
It really has nothing to do with finding out if they where outside the line and everything to do with quickly proving they have no case to answer.
Now we have the circus in town with every two bit journo and hack making comments on their own opinions or comments on the opinions of someone else or comments on what has been reported on a rival TV station.

One thing this will prove is how bloody stupid the media frenzy has become and the facts or presumption of innocence have been tossed aside ion the stampede to sensationalize the issue and be the big man in the pile.

 

[Old Campaigner]

Reason the club has come forward was the federal investigation into Dank was going to break, Barret knew of the investigation and found the weakest link in Reimers to comment on it.
The simple fact is the federal police have been looking into links with Dank and the supply of some materials from black market supply. He was given the flick last July/August after the club became aware of it . The investigation in no way involved EFC.
Once the story broke the club (and the AFL for that matter) where left no choice but to ask ASADA for a full audit.
It really has nothing to do with finding out if they where outside the line and everything to do with quickly proving they have no case to answer.
Now we have the circus in town with every two bit journo and hack making comments on their own opinions or comments on the opinions of someone else or comments on what has been reported on a rival TV station.

One thing this will prove is how bloody stupid the media frenzy has become and the facts or presumption of innocence have been tossed aside ion the stampede to sensationalize the issue and be the big man in the pile.

I ****ing hope you are right.

The fact that Watson, Fletcher and Spike appear so calm about it put my mind at ease somewhat but then this ACC thing came out and now I don't know what the **** to expect. The worst thing was that Hird and co looked like they were sitting on a ticking bomb during that presser, never seen anyone look so shit scared before.

 

[Super Gusto]

Reason the club has come forward was the federal investigation into Dank was going to break, Barret knew of the investigation and found the weakest link in Reimers to comment on it.
The simple fact is the federal police have been looking into links with Dank and the supply of some materials from black market supply. He was given the flick last July/August after the club became aware of it . The investigation in no way involved EFC.
Once the story broke the club (and the AFL for that matter) where left no choice but to ask ASADA for a full audit.
It really has nothing to do with finding out if they where outside the line and everything to do with quickly proving they have no case to answer.
Now we have the circus in town with every two bit journo and hack making comments on their own opinions or comments on the opinions of someone else or comments on what has been reported on a rival TV station.

One thing this will prove is how bloody stupid the media frenzy has become and the facts or presumption of innocence have been tossed aside ion the stampede to sensationalize the issue and be the big man in the pile.

I had a suspicion that this was the case.

The fact that Hird looked shocked though and the way the press conference came across makes me think that there is still some concern that things were going on that the club aren't completely on top off.

I'm pretty confident it will blow over though.

 

[Howard Moon]

i understand that not knowing what you took is not enough to get you off (if you had taken something banned) but surely if you sign a piece of paper stating you have taken a,b,c & d and it has been ok'ed by the doc and wada.... that should count for something!!?? If some dank clown decides to spike your drink so to speak.... thats drugging someone.. like date rape.. thats the crime, not the player!

persoanlly i think we are clean, we came out on the front foot before the big investigation on Dank broke. the doctor that dank spoke to about our levels spoke volumes.

 

[Old Campaigner]

i understand that not knowing what you took is not enough to get you off (if you had taken something banned) but surely if you sign a piece of paper stating you have taken a,b,c & d and it has been ok'ed by the doc and wada.... that should count for something!!?? If some dank clown decides to spike your drink so to speak.... thats drugging someone.. like date rape.. thats the crime, not the player!

As has been mentioned in the other thread, there is a precedent where someone who returned a positive blood test got off because a competitor drugged him/her to attempt to get them banned. What you mention might fall under that precedent, but the fact that Dank was working for the club and not a rival might make that defense a bit iffy.

 

[Howard Moon]

As has been mentioned in the other thread, there is a precedent where someone who returned a positive blood test got off because a competitor drugged him/her to attempt to get them banned. What you mention might fall under that precedent, but the fact that Dank was working for the club and not a rival might make that defense a bit iffy.

iffy?

need him, will work wonders!

 

[zackah]

Jason Clare (Minister for Justice) on 7.30 Report tonight clearly stated that the report released today was a classified version. An unclassified version has been sent to the police with specifics including examples of coach/club official X gives drug to player Y. He again stated (as per earlier today) that players involved should come forward now before the police come to them.

Seems clear they have solid evidence of at least some that have been doing this.

He obviously didn't name players/clubs etc and made no mention of Essendon.

 

[Jobe3votes]

That isnt the case

By coming forward and admitting you took something can decrease the penalty. Its why Lance Armstrong came out and did the interview with Oprah.

HA HA And he still got life. They wont get a lesser penalty. It's like the cops saying to normal crims, oh come forward and ur penalty will be less. Get real

 

[zackah]

Jason Clare (Minister for Justice) on 7.30 Report tonight clearly stated that the report released today was a classified version. An unclassified version has been sent to the police with specifics including examples of coach/club official X gives drug to player Y. He again stated (as per earlier today) that players involved should come forward now before the police come to them.

Seems clear they have solid evidence of at least some that have been doing this.

He obviously didn't name players/clubs etc and made no mention of Essendon.

Got my classified and unclassifieds around the wrong way

 

[Keystone agony]

HA HA And he still got life. They wont get a lesser penalty. It's like the cops saying to normal crims, oh come forward and ur penalty will be less. Get real

Clearly you have no idea of how it works or the rules so to say. It brings others forward that may have possibly got off or not been caught.

 

[Blind Turn]

Reason the club has come forward was the federal investigation into Dank was going to break, Barret knew of the investigation and found the weakest link in Reimers to comment on it.
The simple fact is the federal police have been looking into links with Dank and the supply of some materials from black market supply. He was given the flick last July/August after the club became aware of it . The investigation in no way involved EFC.
Once the story broke the club (and the AFL for that matter) where left no choice but to ask ASADA for a full audit.
It really has nothing to do with finding out if they where outside the line and everything to do with quickly proving they have no case to answer.
Now we have the circus in town with every two bit journo and hack making comments on their own opinions or comments on the opinions of someone else or comments on what has been reported on a rival TV station.

One thing this will prove is how bloody stupid the media frenzy has become and the facts or presumption of innocence have been tossed aside ion the stampede to sensationalize the issue and be the big man in the pile.

Ant, I have always respected your inside knowledge on the club. You sound convinced with this viewpoint but it's not clear as to whether it is a 'feeling' you have or whether you have reliable info from those close to the club.

 

[monty1104]

HA HA And he still got life. They wont get a lesser penalty. It's like the cops saying to normal crims, oh come forward and ur penalty will be less. Get real

He didnt get a lesser penalty because his penalty was already handed down before the Oprah interview. Countless other cyclists have been given leniency because they came forward, many to testify against Armstrong.

 

[yaco55]

As Ant said, EFC had to get on the front foot because of the events of today.

I assume everything will be fine, but you can never be sure.