Should we change Australia Day from the 26th?

[Socrates2]

We should change it from the 26th of January (the day the first fleet arrived a Port Jackson) to something that means more than the docking of a ship. It would make sense to celebrate the date first blood was drawn between white man and indigenous, as it symbolizes the start of our conquest as a nation.

Are you from Norlane mate?

 

[Carson Dial]

I think we can do both things. Treat them properly and change the date, won't it make Australia stronger if everyone who lives here feels included and like they belong in Australia? I don't think this is the biggest issue in

I think we can do both things. Treat them properly and change the date, won't it make Australia stronger if everyone who lives here feels included and like they belong in Australia? I don't think this is the biggest issue in Australia right now.

I think we can do both things. Treat them properly and change the date, won't it make Australia stronger if everyone who lives here feels included and like they belong in Australia? I don't think this is the biggest issue in Australia right now.

Well said, let’s concentrate on the big ticket items like Daylight saving first!

 

[Benny78]

Are you from Norlane mate?

Are you from la la land? Docking ships means nothing wars are what decide countries. Why should we celebrate docking ships? It should be the day the aborogines officially surrendered. That's how America do it and practically every other country in the world.

 

[Socrates2]

Are you from la la land? Docking ships means nothing wars are what found countries. Why should we celebrate docking ships? It should be the day of the first spear thrown or first gun fired. That's how America do it and practically every other country in the world.

Well it didnt work that way here, it was more one way.

 

[Benny78]

Well it didnt work that way here, it was more one way.

I guess that explains why in comparison to every other nation we celebrate the day we docked our ships. We appear too afraid and too ashamed to celebrate the real day we became Australia.

 

[A Cut Above]

Just change the date, move it forward a week if you want.My view is that the first Australians, who had 50,000 plus years of continued sovereignty , should have their view respected.What's the big deal about respecting that view?

The big deal is we live in a democracy, and allowing 2% of the population to dictate morality to the other 98% is an extraordinarily shitty & very likely unsustainable way to run one.

"Apease 2% of the population", well they used to be 100% of the population for 50,000 years, does that matter to you at all or do you want to ask Neil Mitchell first? Don't get fooled by the Murdoch fake news use your own brain

50,000 years ago setting foot outside my front door (or cave if you prefer) I would've run the risk of being eaten by a Sabre Toothed Tiger. In the Middle East we see even land rights of people who claim to own a religiously important plot of land as little as 2000 years ago being dismissed or hotly debated.

Produce the deed Aboriginals acquired from Australia's previous owners which granted them absolute sovereignty over the entire continent in perpetuity and I'll happily grant them the right to decide when we celebrate our nation day, and write the rest our laws for that matter. However it is a fact of history, a sad lamentable fact perhaps but an unignorable one than most of their land is now ours, and there are infinitely more of us than them.

None of us is pleased how this situation came about. Yet I fail to see how Aboriginals being the sole custodians of Australia in the years before humans invented writing for example is terribly relevant. Perhaps if they'd invested those 50,000 years constructing cities we were still living & benefitting from the argument would be very different, but from those ancient times they've really only bequeathed us their culture, which though I recognize as a pricelessly valuable thing unfortunately pales in importance -at least with regards to who has the right to determine our national day- to the development of the continent in the years since colonization. Almost everything you see around you, regardless of which Australian city you live in was built by European immigrants. I'm sure you could argue perhaps Aboriginals have contributed enough to modern Australia to demand more than 2% of a say in how it is run, but to suggest their will should be placed above that of the other 98% of Australians is ludicrous. That's now how Democracy works, or should work.

 

[Andrew Birch]

Only 10% of Australians want to change the date, most of those being white millenials. Thankfully we still live in a democracy where majority rules.

 

[Socrates2]

I guess that explains why in comparison to every other nation we celebrate the day we docked our ships. We appear too afraid and too ashamed to celebrate the real day we became Australia.

We didn't become Australia in 1788, it's been there a while before that.You guys use pretty ordinary arguments.You're an immigrant, you probably came from England in a boat less than 4 generations ago,now you live in Norlane ,read Andrew Bolt , eat Mcdonalds and love Captain Cook for some reason.Australia wasn't discovered in 1788 ,your thinking of the first diving-suit.Maybe get in the real world instead of watching commercial TV and reading crap newspapers.Neil Mitchell wants you to lick his arse.

 

[Socrates2]

Only 10% of Australians want to change the date, most of those being white millenials. Thankfully we still live in a democracy where majority rules.

Wrong, where did you pluck this 10%? Did Miranda Devine tell you?

 

[Socrates2]

The big deal is we live in a democracy, and allowing 2% of the population to dictate morality to the other 98% is an extraordinarily shitty & very likely unsustainable way to run one.




50,000 years ago setting foot outside my front door (or cave if you prefer) I would've run the risk of being eaten by a Sabre Toothed Tiger. In the Middle East we see even land rights of people who claim to own a religiously important plot of land as little as 2000 years ago being dismissed or hotly debated.

Produce the deed Aboriginals acquired from Australia's previous owners which granted them absolute sovereignty over the entire continent in perpetuity and I'll happily grant them the right to decide when we celebrate our nation day, and write the rest our laws for that matter. However it is a fact of history, a sad lamentable fact perhaps but an unignorable one than most of their land is now ours, and there are infinitely more of us than them.

None of us is pleased how this situation came about. Yet I fail to see how Aboriginals being the sole custodians of Australia in the years before humans invented writing for example is terribly relevant. Perhaps if they'd invested those 50,000 years constructing cities we were still living & benefitting from the argument would be very different, but from those ancient times they've really only bequeathed us their culture, which though I recognize as a pricelessly valuable thing unfortunately pales in importance -at least with regards to who has the right to determine our national day- to the development of the continent in the years since colonization. Almost everything you see around you, regardless of which Australian city you live in was built by European immigrants. I'm sure you could argue perhaps Aboriginals have contributed enough to modern Australia to demand more than 2% of a say in how it is run, but to suggest their will should be placed above that of the other 98% of Australians is ludicrous. That's now how Democracy works, or should work.

Your a bit rasist mate."Produce the deed Aboriginals acquired from Australia's previous owners which granted them absolute sovereignty over the entire continent in perpetuity and I'll happily grant them the right to decide when we celebrate our nation day, and write the rest our laws for that matter. However it is a fact of history, a sad lamentable fact perhaps but an unignorable one than most of their land is now ours, and there are infinitely more of us than them." I'm sure you'd be the first person to call the cops if your house was invaded .It's not your nation,you're just a redneck immigrant mate,you have a pretty big superiority complex for someone who tosses off all day and doesnt work.My how people like you have built this nation lol!

 

[Socrates2]

The big deal is we live in a democracy, and allowing 2% of the population to dictate morality to the other 98% is an extraordinarily shitty & very likely unsustainable way to run one.




50,000 years ago setting foot outside my front door (or cave if you prefer) I would've run the risk of being eaten by a Sabre Toothed Tiger. In the Middle East we see even land rights of people who claim to own a religiously important plot of land as little as 2000 years ago being dismissed or hotly debated.

Produce the deed Aboriginals acquired from Australia's previous owners which granted them absolute sovereignty over the entire continent in perpetuity and I'll happily grant them the right to decide when we celebrate our nation day, and write the rest our laws for that matter. However it is a fact of history, a sad lamentable fact perhaps but an unignorable one than most of their land is now ours, and there are infinitely more of us than them.

None of us is pleased how this situation came about. Yet I fail to see how Aboriginals being the sole custodians of Australia in the years before humans invented writing for example is terribly relevant. Perhaps if they'd invested those 50,000 years constructing cities we were still living & benefitting from the argument would be very different, but from those ancient times they've really only bequeathed us their culture, which though I recognize as a pricelessly valuable thing unfortunately pales in importance -at least with regards to who has the right to determine our national day- to the development of the continent in the years since colonization. Almost everything you see around you, regardless of which Australian city you live in was built by European immigrants. I'm sure you could argue perhaps Aboriginals have contributed enough to modern Australia to demand more than 2% of a say in how it is run, but to suggest their will should be placed above that of the other 98% of Australians is ludicrous. That's now how Democracy works, or should work.

"Almost everything you see around you, regardless of which Australian city you live in was built by European immigrants" keep up your hilarious arguments, have you got your 'Make America Great Again' cap on? You say Europeans built 'Australia' yet you sit in your bedroom all day and do nothing, so I take it you're not a true Australian because you haven't built anything lol

 

[Benny78]

We didn't become Australia in 1788, it's been there a while before that.You guys use pretty ordinary arguments.You're an immigrant, you probably came from England in a boat less than 4 generations ago,now you live in Norlane ,read Andrew Bolt , eat Mcdonalds and love Captain Cook for some reason.Australia wasn't discovered in 1788 ,your thinking of the first diving-suit.Maybe get in the real world instead of watching commercial TV and reading crap newspapers.Neil Mitchell wants you to lick his arse.

Yeah but what I'm saying is the real world. Your world is make believe conquered cultures are conquered cultures. America doesn't belong to native Americans and nobody is going to give Persia back

 

[Socrates2]

Yeah but what I'm saying is the real world. Your world is make believe conquered cultures are conquered cultures. America doesn't belong to native Americans and nobody is going to give Persia back

It's about respect and you don't have any.

 

[Andrew Birch]

Wrong, where did you pluck this 10%? Did Miranda Devine tell you?

Every major poll done on the matter is around 10%. Which commie fake news source are you relying on your numbers from, fairfax, their ABC? That's the problem with millennials, you live in a socialist bubble where everyone agrees with you. The truth is you're fringe dwellers and would never get this over the line in a referendum.

 

[Socrates2]

Every major poll done on the matter is around 10%. Which commie fake news source are you relying on your numbers from, fairfax, their ABC? That's the problem with millennials, you live in a socialist bubble where everyone agrees with you. The truth is you're fringe dwellers and would never get this over the line in a referendum.

It's not 10% ,show me a link to the poll champ

 

[Andrew Birch]

It's not 10% ,show me a link to the poll champ

Readily available champ. You'll need to leave your bubble to find them though.

Feel free to show me the poll where 'change the date' is the majority, I need a good laugh.

 

[Benny78]

It's about respect and you don't have any.

The only ones who have no respect are the indigenous and crazies responsible for kicking up a fuss. There's no problem with Australia day whatsoever other than these ghouls trying to make everyone feel guilty about apparently stealing an entire continent away from a few thousand tribes people. It's a day to be celebrated

I understand if indigenous people don't want to celebrate it but they need to shutup on Australia Day and show some respect.

 

[Socrates2]

Readily available champ. You'll need to leave your bubble to find them though.

Feel free to show me the poll where 'change the date' is the majority, I need a good laugh.

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/three-in-four-still-want-australia-day-on-january-26-according-to-poll , it's 25% champ which is mainly white Australians

 

[Socrates2]

The only ones who have no respect are the indigenous and crazies responsible for kicking up a fuss. There's no problem with Australia day whatsoever other than these ghouls trying to make everyone live in guilt for no reason. It's a day to be celebrated

You're a redneck bogan mate, if everyone was like you , indiginous people still wouldn't be able to vote which I know would make you happy.

 

[Masher]

75% is huge in a poll so should remain 26 Jan

 

[Benny78]

Your a redneck bogen mate

You don't seem all that intelligent. Rather crazy if you think I wouldn't let indigenous vote. They are also part of this commonwealth nation. Maybe indigenous and their supporters simply need to show respect instead of being rude, classless and racist trying to make people feel shame and guilt on their national day?

I mean when you order a $60 rib eye steak, is that really the day and moment you want PETA to come out and throw cow guts all over you? Cry about it in June or something and stop being such a ghoul

 

[Socrates2]

75% is huge in a poll so should remain 26 Jan

The problem is that in a democracy every ignorant campaigner gets a vote,that's how Donald Trump got elected that's going well isn't it?

 

[Andrew Birch]

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/three-in-four-still-want-australia-day-on-january-26-according-to-poll , it's 25% champ which is mainly white Australians

I find it interesting that you feel the need to differentiate between white and non white Australians. We're all Australians, champ, regardless of colour and race.

 

[Masher]

The problem is that in a democracy every ignorant campaigner gets a vote,that's how Donald Trump got elected that's going well isn't it?

So if your favorite pollie won the election by 50.1% would you take it or reject it

You either accept Democracy or you don't

 

[Socrates2]

You don't seem all that intelligent

I know it's hard dealing with knowledgeable brain surgeons like yourself.You should run for parliament, perhaps Family first or Clive Palmers party.I'm surprised you dont want all the Indiginous people to be kicked out of the country, send em back where they came from in Africa 50,000 years ago.