Should we Rookie list Lovett?

[Brown Blood]

He's no fev!

 

[arupist]

Re: Should we Rookie list Lovett???

Would be electric on the other wing for us.

You reckon he'd provide a bit of a spark, eh?

You don't think supporters would be shocked to see him there?

Do you think he's resolved his current problems?

He could play direct down the left wing, or we could have him alternating with Young.

Would there be any resistance to picking him up?

 

[ChanceBateman]

Re: Should we Rookie list Lovett???

A year out of the system, with attititude and discipline issues. After the Peterson and Hooper recruiting failures, I seriously doubt we would consider Lovett. Further, We have Clinton Young remember.

NO

Let me get this straight: Peterson and Hooper are Aboriginal, and they didn't work out for us. Lovett is Aboriginal, therefore he's bound to have issues.

Sounds pretty racist to me. Explain yourself

 

[Dipper]

Re: Should we Rookie list Lovett???

Let me get this straight: Peterson and Hooper are Aboriginal, and they didn't work out for us. Lovett is Aboriginal, therefore he's bound to have issues.

Sounds pretty racist to me. Explain yourself

Get a grip.

People like you make living in the modern world bloody tiring.


Nobody on here has to explain themselves to you.

 

[Flamin Joe]

Re: Should we Rookie list Lovett???

Let me get this straight: Peterson and Hooper are Aboriginal, and they didn't work out for us. Lovett is Aboriginal, therefore he's bound to have issues.

Sounds pretty racist to me. Explain yourself

As far as I can see, your the only one highlighting the fact they are all Aboriginal and drawing conclusions. Oh the irony.

The way I read it, both Peterson and Hooper were the last couple of players we've had on our list who had issues with other clubs, had been given another chance at AFL in coming to Hawthorn, but in the end didn't work out. Lovett is another player coming in with the same set of circumstances, and going by our track record there are doubts things will turn out any different. It's only by sheer coincidence he just happens to be of Aboriginal descent as well which you seem to be at pains to point out.

Stop trying to look for something that isn't there.

 

[Roughie]

Re: Should we Rookie list Lovett???

He was never the greatest player ever, just a flash on the pan with pure talent he wasted. He had alot of potential before all the troubles and never fufilled them. He doesn't deserve a spot on any afl list at the moment honestly. He was never that great of a player either.

 

[Furn]

Rookie list.

Lovett, Fev and Peterson.

If your gonna go one go them all.

Could be a masterstroke.

 

[Off The Couch]

I just don't think he would bring anything that we don't already have - waste of a pick IMO and one that could be put to better use.

In regards to Off field behaviour, if we are not prepared to give fev another chance (and no I don't want him) then there is no way I personally would be prepared to give Lovett a go either. How many chances do these guys get before THEY realize enough is enough and clubs are just not interested.

 

[savagelunchbox]

I just don't think he would bring anything that we don't already have - waste of a pick IMO and one that could be put to better use.

In regards to Off field behaviour, if we are not prepared to give fev another chance (and no I don't want him) then there is no way I personally would be prepared to give Lovett a go either. How many chances do these guys get before THEY realize enough is enough and clubs are just not interested.

Everyone who wants Lovett was him because of his speed on the wings. I tell you wat, i'd be a better option if all you want is speed. I can run the 100m in 12 seconds and i can guarentee you i won't be a problem child like Lovett.

 

[mattyflux]

All picking up Lovett will do is deny one of our kids like Suckling, Savage, Shiels, Smith or even Young a spot. I know I'd much rather see one of these guys having a crack.

Its a big no for me.

Just wondering why some people think we have to pick up every discarded player that gets mentioned???

 

[Mitchell Madness]

Id rather dunstall

Similar weight and height, better history with injury, quick off the mark (ranks top 25% for agility at the draft) and he will bring a wise head to the table to teach the kids

 

[Upgrayedd]

Just choked on my Cashews and spat them out from reading thread title.

Way to go, THe lady is going to now give me a damn lecture on why i should not eat on the computer because i'll spill crums over the keyboard.

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

Re: Should we Rookie list Lovett???

No thanks. We need to stop making threads for every recycled player looking for a gig in the AFL.

Agreed. The fact these threads keep appearing means people still aren't getting it. Most clubs are now fed up with having to be carers for idiot footballers who refuse to take advantage of excellent life opportunities that are handed to them. Most (if not all) coaches simply cannot afford to waste their time on these players. Hopefully the message will get through to future draftees who think they can just do whatever they like and still have long and lucrative AFL careers.

 

[Dr.J]

Those who fail to heed the mistakes of History are dammed to repeat them..

Even a cursory glance at our history reveals that our premierships were built on a culture.
Call it a mantra even, where the club is greater than the individual.
Great men like John Kennedy and Alan Jeans established the foundation stones on which our success was built on.

Even our most recent success (2008) was founded on the similar principles of courage, mateship and sacrifice.

Why would you consider recruiting players who’s actions fly in the face of these principals
Do you seriously think these blokes would be the missing link to our success?

We can argue all day about a person’s ability to change but again history would suggest otherwise.

Our most recent venture down this path was Spider Everitt.
A decision taken at a time where some mistakenly thought he would bring us success.
I’d suggest whilst he achieved some form of individual success his overall effect on the teams work ethic and culture was disastrous.

Forget about other clubs, you need only look back to Schwabby’s reign to see what the culture of individual above team can do.

The club appointed a coach (Clarko) with the specific aim to restore the clubs traditional core values.
If you think AC is going to put at risk the culture, he fought so hard to restore, then you fail to understand the very essence of your own club.


Then again - I could be completely wrong and out of touch with the "modern game".

 

[grizzlym]

Those who fail to heed the mistakes of History are dammed to repeat them..

Even a cursory glance at our history reveals that our premierships were built on a culture.
Call it a mantra even, where the club is greater than the individual.
Great men like John Kennedy and Alan Jeans established the foundation stones on which our success was built on.

Even our most recent success (2008) was founded on the similar principles of courage, mateship and sacrifice.

Why would you consider recruiting players who’s actions fly in the face of these principals
Do you seriously think these blokes would be the missing link to our success?

We can argue all day about a person’s ability to change but again history would suggest otherwise.

Our most recent venture down this path was Spider Everitt.
A decision taken at a time where some mistakenly thought he would bring us success.
I’d suggest whilst he achieved some form of individual success his overall effect on the teams work ethic and culture was disastrous.

Forget about other clubs, you need only look back to Schwabby’s reign to see what the culture of individual above team can do.

The club appointed a coach (Clarko) with the specific aim to restore the clubs traditional core values.
If you think AC is going to put at risk the culture, he fought so hard to restore, then you fail to understand the very essence of your own club.


Then again - I could be completely wrong and out of touch with the "modern game".

On the contrary, you've hit the nail on the head. Again.

 

[Pessimistic]

Put Petersen, Lovett and Fevola in a poll and I reckon chubbs would poll wayy more than the other two.

But thered be no point

 

[Hawkzzz]

Fully focused the guy can play. But I think we really need to preserve our harmonious culture at the club. It isn't worth the risk. I'm all for giving guys a second chance but he had a fabulous opportunity with the Saints. For some reasons which remain in house, the Saints players did not get on well with him even before the allegations. NO.

 

[HLA23]

Re: Should we Rookie list Lovett???

I wonder what the statute of limitations on him taking St Kilda to court for unfair dismissal would be.

I think if he doesn't get picked up he will head to the courts to get some money.

He has probably held off to not discourage clubs or the AFL, it will come though I reckon.

I think we'll find alot of clubs won't touch him for this reason not to mention he is known 'not to fit in'

But I will say this how much of what comes out of StKilda doesn't turn into gold? What goes in is another thing

 

[jd1991]

Re: Should we Rookie list Lovett???

Sometimes a coach will spend 80% of there time on 10% of the list, thus the other 90% of the list misses out.

As Lovetts history tends to support this theory where he was at Essendon, taken more of the coaching staffs time, not with coaching him, but treating him in a way you would a wayward kid, in trying to get him to toe the line, and that Clarkson and team had the same issues recently with Peterson and Hooper, I cant see the club going down the same track.

just thinking about that it seems that this year a number of youngsters all stood up (this could just be fortious circumstances) when the coaching staff wasnt distracted by players they had to spend non football related time on.

 

[Dixie Flatline]

Re: Should we Rookie list Lovett???

I agree with this. 29 years old, discipline issues and you need to find a balance on your list between now and tomorrow. Go to the rookie draft draft 3-4 of the kids that were unlucky to miss out(Mihocek, frost etc) re-rookie PJ as insurance and win the next 3 flags.

Just wondering who the re-tread was? Danny Jacobs?

My first thought was Barry Young.

But either will do. We clawed some ground back with Willo though.

I was referring to Barry Young. An absolute stitch-up on Hawthorn.

I thought Jacobs was decent by the time he finished with Hawthorn. He was never going to play the role Hawthorn initially recruited him to play, but as a third defender, he held his own. He also had the good grace to bow out when he knew his body couldn't cope with a full season of AFL.

 

[Rushed_Behind]

Re: Should we Rookie list Lovett???

Let me get this straight: Peterson and Hooper are Aboriginal, and they didn't work out for us. Lovett is Aboriginal, therefore he's bound to have issues.

Sounds pretty racist to me. Explain yourself

Co incidence is that they're "indigenous", and Lovett still has issues. Everything that has been said is fact. Race, creed, gender*, sexual preference* and whatever else you can think of have no relevance. I Freakin lose it when anything negative said about a minority is perceived racist. The level of scrutiny sjould be the same regardless.

*yes these weren't mentioned but applies to the argument in general.

 

[The Kipster]

no, I would rather have an in-grown toe nail than have that low-life piece of crap on our list

 

[Buddysurkidsdad]

Re: Should we Rookie list Lovett???

Let me get this straight: Peterson and Hooper are Aboriginal, and they didn't work out for us. Lovett is Aboriginal, therefore he's bound to have issues.

Sounds pretty racist to me. Explain yourself

This post was one of the most frustrating things I have read in a long time. Political correctness gone way too far. If u believe that was racism u are absolutely clueless.
On topic it is a big fat no, Fev may be an idiot but nothing on his rap sheet is in the same league as Lovett's. Even though the rape charges have have been dismissed wat he did to his girlfriend a few years back was as low as u can get. I personally don't want him anywhere near waverly park.

 

[Southern Urchins]

Re: Should we Rookie list Lovett???

Let's sign Matthew Newton as well.

 

[LuvMyHawks]

Absolutely NO!!!!!!!