Draft Watcher Slice of Pie: Draft Board and Profiles

[Bicks]

Its due to his contacts at club level and TAC , Shifter passes alot of info to him as well as Ablett

Ablett's gone isn't he over in WA now?

 

[THE_GUN]

Ablett's gone isn't he over in WA now?

Might be but they were close a few years back but would still have his finger in a few areas

 

[Pie 4 Life]

The few times I've seen Jack Bytel play live he's always impressed me more than Rylee West especially this year's game at Mars where he also looked alright with his forays forward. I'd love to get him over to Adelaide with our Carlton 2nd round pick.

I agree last year Bytel was looked impressive when I saw him live, and of the three Cannons (inc. Taylor), Bytel is probably the best field kick in terms of accuracy through penetration. Taylor has that X-factor that is not quite a Stephenson, but along those lines where you know if everything clicks, he can take his game to another level. West's ability to dominate up forward has him ahead of Bytel, even though his kicking is suspect at times and can overuse the footy. I think putting them all side by side has Taylor ahead, then West, then Bytel on crucial factors. They're drafting for the future and while there's no doubt of the three Bytel could waltz into an AFL side and have an impact, in a few years I think the other two will have surpassed him, certainly Taylor. That's not to say they won't all go on and have good AFL careers, but as it sits right now, that's the pecking order.

 

[Pie 4 Life]

I wouldnt really worry alot about things with Twomey, He had patrick Naish just about all year last year between 12-18 even though just about everybody who ever seen Naish play thought he was extremely outside and light and wouldnt go before 25 bt Cal had him top 15

He relies on the Info he gets from certain clubs watchers and they are not always accurate specially early in the year

You've forgotten the "clicks". Father-sons are perfect click bait and it's predictable every year it will come out. Rhylee West will be the one paraded all over the media this year, so good luck Doggies fans! At the end of the day though, clubs aren't going to read Cal's, mine, KM's, random Blow Joe and go "oh they're so right, I'm going to do what they say". So as fun as it is to speculate, we know club's have their own rankings and will draft accordingly

 

[Bicks]

I agree last year Bytel was looked impressive when I saw him live, and of the three Cannons (inc. Taylor), Bytel is probably the best field kick in terms of accuracy through penetration. Taylor has that X-factor that is not quite a Stephenson, but along those lines where you know if everything clicks, he can take his game to another level. West's ability to dominate up forward has him ahead of Bytel, even though his kicking is suspect at times and can overuse the footy. I think putting them all side by side has Taylor ahead, then West, then Bytel on crucial factors. They're drafting for the future and while there's no doubt of the three Bytel could waltz into an AFL side and have an impact, in a few years I think the other two will have surpassed him, certainly Taylor. That's not to say they won't all go on and have good AFL careers, but as it sits right now, that's the pecking order.

I agree Taylor maybe the one with the most upside but for mine West is a bit overrated on what I've seen of him live, I wonder if his name was Joseph Blowe if he would be held in the same regard. Anyhow I'll be stoked if we can land Bytel with Carlton's 2nd round pick we have.

 

[apuchar]

Ablett's gone isn't he over in WA now?

Yep, head of development or something like that

 

[Pie 4 Life]

I agree Taylor maybe the one with the most upside but for mine West is a bit overrated on what I've seen of him live, I wonder if his name was Joseph Blowe if he would be held in the same regard. Anyhow I'll be stoked if we can land Bytel with Carlton's 2nd round pick we have.

Yeah the surname often hypes players up more than they are. But he held his own for Vic Metro the other day, so he's capable at the level. I think his school footy form would be held in high regard as well, he's been prominent up forward for St Kevin's. His improvements can be worked upon at AFL level. It's all academic, a bid will come in that second round somewhere (always below their valuation) and Dogs will match.

 

[CaptainMurphy]

Hey SoP, been enjoying your contributions so far, thanks.

I was wondering, how do Bailey Smith, Jackson Hately, and Riley Collier-Dawkins compare when talking about evasion and movement through traffic? How would you rank them in that regard? How do they all compare with someone like Walsh, who I take it is very good in this area?

 

[Pie 4 Life]

Hey SoP, been enjoying your contributions so far, thanks.

I was wondering, how do Bailey Smith, Jackson Hately, and Riley Collier-Dawkins compare when talking about evasion and movement through traffic? How would you rank them in that regard? How do they all compare with someone like Walsh, who I take it is very good in this area?

I would rank them Walsh, Smith, Hately, Collier-Dawkins in that order. Walsh is comparable to a Pendlebury in the way he can make multiple directional changes and seemingly not look unbalanced. Smith has a great combination of power and speed out of a stoppage, Hately I've obviously seen the least of (just Champs) but from what I've seen is he moves well and picks the right exit. Collier-Dawkins is a little differently in the sense that he reminds me a tad of LDU last year - not super quick, but his acceleration is good. His first few steps are powerful (like a Dane Swan for example) and that is enough to catch his opponents off guard. He's obviously stronger than the others too which helps.

 

[CaptainMurphy]

I would rank them Walsh, Smith, Hately, Collier-Dawkins in that order. Walsh is comparable to a Pendlebury in the way he can make multiple directional changes and seemingly not look unbalanced. Smith has a great combination of power and speed out of a stoppage, Hately I've obviously seen the least of (just Champs) but from what I've seen is he moves well and picks the right exit. Collier-Dawkins is a little differently in the sense that he reminds me a tad of LDU last year - not super quick, but his acceleration is good. His first few steps are powerful (like a Dane Swan for example) and that is enough to catch his opponents off guard. He's obviously stronger than the others too which helps.

Thanks mate. With the power and speed out of a stoppage you mentioned, as well as apparently polished skills, what's the knock on Smith that keeps him from being spoken about in the same sentence as Walsh, Rankine, Lukosius and the Kings?

 

[eDPS]

I would rank them Walsh, Smith, Hately, Collier-Dawkins in that order. Walsh is comparable to a Pendlebury in the way he can make multiple directional changes and seemingly not look unbalanced. Smith has a great combination of power and speed out of a stoppage, Hately I've obviously seen the least of (just Champs) but from what I've seen is he moves well and picks the right exit. Collier-Dawkins is a little differently in the sense that he reminds me a tad of LDU last year - not super quick, but his acceleration is good. His first few steps are powerful (like a Dane Swan for example) and that is enough to catch his opponents off guard. He's obviously stronger than the others too which helps.

I wouldn’t say Collier-Dawkins isn’t super quick, I’ve seen him do a few chase down tackles and still look quick past the first few metres, what I haven’t seen him show is an ability to evade and turn like a Walsh so yeah his straight line running is good but when it comes to moving out of traffic he isn’t as prolific.

 

[Pie 4 Life]

Thanks mate. With the power and speed out of a stoppage you mentioned, as well as apparently polished skills, what's the knock on Smith that keeps him from being spoken about in the same sentence as Walsh, Rankine, Lukosius and the Kings?

My personal improvement I would like to see would be watching his defensive running. I think he's improved in that area, but for example he was on Gryan Miers for the majority in the Grand Final and he always looked good rebounding, but was sometimes caught out by Miers who was so smart in his positioning and knowing when to run back towards goal. Smith was injured in the TAC Cup game earlier in the season I went to and obviously he's at school footy, so I'm yet to see him live this season. That was my knock then.

 

[Pie 4 Life]

I wouldn’t say Collier-Dawkins isn’t super quick, I’ve seen him do a few chase down tackles and still look quick past the first few metres, what I haven’t seen him show is an ability to evade and turn like a Walsh so yeah his straight line running is good but when it comes to moving out of traffic he isn’t is prolific.

I'm interested to see his testing results, but that pretty much mirrors what I was saying - runs in a straight line with power and acceleration, not so much dodging and weaving. I didn't say he was slow I just said he wasn't "super quick" lol.

 

[eDPS]

I'm interested to see his testing results, but that pretty much mirrors what I was saying - runs in a straight line with power and acceleration, not so much dodging and weaving. I didn't say he was slow I just said he wasn't "super quick" lol.

I just took what you said about his acceleration being good and adding that it doesn’t mean it’s only his acceleration that’s good, I was just trying to add to what you said not say that what you said was wrong

 

[Pie 4 Life]

I just took what you said about his acceleration being good and adding that it doesn’t mean it’s only his acceleration that’s good, I was just trying to add to what you said not say that what you said was wrong

Too many saids and says for this early in the day haha

 

[eDPS]

Too many saids and says for this early in the day haha

I just read over what I ‘said’ and almost bit my tongue, sorry about that

 

[CaptainMurphy]

My personal improvement I would like to see would be watching his defensive running. I think he's improved in that area, but for example he was on Gryan Miers for the majority in the Grand Final and he always looked good rebounding, but was sometimes caught out by Miers who was so smart in his positioning and knowing when to run back towards goal. Smith was injured in the TAC Cup game earlier in the season I went to and obviously he's at school footy, so I'm yet to see him live this season. That was my knock then.

Defensive running feels to me like something that's comparatively pretty easy to fix, given a good work ethic. And all the talk seems to say Smith has work ethic in spades. He's who I hope the Dogs pick at this point (Assuming Walsh and Lukosius are taken).

 

[Pie 4 Life]

Comparison:

Bailey Smith - 32.5D, 3.0M, 6.5T, 11.5CLR, 6.0I50,1.5REB, 1.0GL - 61% KE 57.4% CP

Riley Collier-Dawkins - 19.7D, 2.9M, 4.1T, 3.4CLR, 2.4I50, 0.9REB, 0.4GL - 56% KE 41.4% CP

Sam Walsh - 33.4D, 4.8M, 6.0T, 3.4CLR, 4.0I50, 2.6REB, 0.8GL - 52% KE 38.5% CP

 

[Pie 4 Life]

Defensive running feels to me like something that's comparatively pretty easy to fix, given a good work ethic. And all the talk seems to say Smith has work ethic in spades. He's who I hope the Dogs pick at this point (Assuming Walsh and Lukosius are taken).

Statistically he has some huge numbers (see above) and even looks superior to Walsh based on that. Obviously stats can be deceptive, as they are with Walsh, but regardless, Smith is a pretty well-rounded gun.

 

[CaptainMurphy]

Statistically he has some huge numbers (see above) and even looks superior to Walsh based on that. Obviously stats can be deceptive, as they are with Walsh, but regardless, Smith is a pretty well-rounded gun.

Those clearance numbers are massive. I knew he was proficient in that area but didn't realise it was such a strength.

What makes Walsh's stats deceptive?

 

[Pie 4 Life]

Those clearance numbers are massive. I knew he was proficient in that area but didn't realise it was such a strength.

What makes Walsh's stats deceptive?

Kicking efficiency. I mean 52% is poor, but his kicking is far from poor, it's just that fact I mentioned earlier in the thread that sometimes he expects too much of his forwards or teammates, so it's ineffective kicks but would be higher with say greater talent/smarter/stronger forwards/teammates etc.

 

[HedgeFund]

Kicking efficiency. I mean 52% is poor, but his kicking is far from poor, it's just that fact I mentioned earlier in the thread that sometimes he expects too much of his forwards or teammates, so it's ineffective kicks but would be higher with say greater talent/smarter/stronger forwards/teammates etc.

So you blame his team mates for his low kicking efficiency?

I hope he doesn’t.

 

[Pie 4 Life]

So you blame his team mates for his low kicking efficiency?

I hope he doesn’t.

Haha nah I think he just has too high expectations of his teammates. Needs to temper his expectations of what others are capable of, really.

 

[eDPS]

So you blame his team mates for his low kicking efficiency?

I hope he doesn’t.

I thought his game against the Allies was the best indicator of his kicking, anyone just needs to watch the game to understand that he isn't a horrible kick by any means. Smith is the better kick of the two though id say Smith is one of the better kicks in the draft this year.

 

[Pie 4 Life]

I thought his game against the Allies was the best indicator of his kicking, anyone just needs to watch the game to understand that he isn't a horrible kick by any means. Smith is the better kick of the two though id say Smith is one of the better kicks in the draft this year.

Yep agree with this.

Zane Barzen is when it comes to kicking. Didn't have his best game last weekend, but watch him on a regular basis and some of the kicks he produces inside 50 are very, very good.