Some input on Dawes?

[daics cousin]

Which reminds me why wasn't Dawes played during the finals series,by his past efforts he aquitted himself very well,acting as a foil for Cloke nad Anthony.

Cloke and Anthony always play with more confidence when a strong body is around that can crack some heads especially when Rocca was playing well. .Dawes will becvome the enforcer.if played week in week out.
Hang on to the kid and he should get a go next year especially with Rocca's retirement.

 

[smiddaz123]

He was picked at pick 23 in 06 superdraft,Hines swooped because ,he would have in the top 10 if he wasn't injured.

Myth. He would've gone about 20-30 if he wasn't injured. We just decided to ignore his injury and take him on his original value.

He was expected to slide to the 50s or 60s IIRC.

 

[Axl the great]

Let's get one thing straight. Under no circumstances am I changing my user name from MyManDawes to MyManFev! If MyManDawes has to move clubs to retain his username, then so be it!

Just change it to ShownTheDawes.

 

[Tranquilli37]

Just change it to ShownTheDawes.

Lol, not bad.

 

[shawthing09]

Didaka summed it up best. He may have been very good at u/18 level with his man child body but at AFL level the size advantage isn't enough to account for the fact that he reads the ball in flight poorly. It is almost to the point where I think he has depth perception problems with his vision.

If he gets a smaller opponent who he can protect the ball drop and take the ball between chest and face level who looks brilliant. If he gets a big bloke who he can run off his feet he looks great. The problem is he isn't going to have that luxury at AFL level.

Tom Hawkin's comparison is poor IMO Tom showed very early that he has solid hands overhead.

Diet Cloke is a fairly good summary too. The annoying thing about it all is he has such a good field kick, if he could be relied on to hold over head marks Cloke style he would suit that role to a tee.

 

[shawthing09]

Didaka summed it up best. He may have been very good at u/18 level with his man child body but at AFL level the size advantage isn't enough to account for the fact that he reads the ball in flight poorly. It is almost to the point where I think he has depth perception problems with his vision.

If he gets a smaller opponent who he can protect the ball drop and take the ball between chest and face level who looks brilliant. If he gets a big bloke who he can run off his feet he looks great. The problem is he isn't going to have that luxury at AFL level.

Tom Hawkin's comparison is poor IMO Tom showed very early that he has solid hands overhead.

Diet Cloke is a fairly good summary too. The annoying thing about it all is he has such a good field kick, if he could be relied on to hold over head marks Cloke style he would suit that role to a tee..

The reason Dawes isn't played as an enforcer is beacause he doesn't play that way. Even at VFL level he looks his best leading up and into space getting reasonably uncontested marks on his chest or at best face height.

 

[Old Spice]

I reckon Dawes uncle or someone punched him in the tum as a kid when he was reaching up for the forbidden milo. He appears worried about exposing his ribbies.

Re Hawkin, comparison for me is apt not so much in style, but in a certain fumbliness, combined with signs of ability.

 

[DaVe86]

I think he's OK but maybe not the next J Brown.

Probably needs to get involved in games more. Is decent at everything but does not excel in anything.

Haven't seen him put in 4 quarter performances, but his efforts early in finals in the VFL set the team up.

Has stood up in finals at AFL level as well. Kicked 3 against Adelaide in the elimination final last year. Also played good against the Saints in R17 last year.



Tom Hawkins is a good comparison.

 

[shawthing09]

I reckon Dawes uncle or someone punched him in the tum as a kid when he was reaching up for the forbidden milo. He appears worried about exposing his ribbies.

Re Hawkin, comparison for me is apt not so much in style, but in a certain fumbliness, combined with signs of ability.

I'd say the biggest similarity is how the man child body they played in as an 18 year old lead to supporters expecting to much of them against men.

As for the rib punches that may be it, maybe it's not a depth perception thing it's more that he doesn't want to put his arms up to the last possible second and then pull them down. At times he looks a little.
Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man ish

 

[didaka]

Sort of player that needs to know he belongs. Same with Reid.

 

[Old Spice]

Selection crisis, flappy man or Dawes for tall 3rd tall?

 

[WinOrLoseILoveEm]

My closest comparison of Dawes is to Tom Hawkins.

At a similar age, Hawkins looked about the same as Dawes, struggling to hold his marks, looking very ordinary at ground level, but showing an ability to use his body in contested situations.

Dawes had what most would say was a disappointing year, only managing 4 games after kicking 3 goals in the first final against Adelaide last year.

He has the physicality to play AFL, but at the moment lacks the determination it seems to take that next level.

The next 2 years will be crucial for Dawes, if he is traded to Carlton, he would play seniors for them straight away, as if he stays at the pies and we get Fev, he may struggle to get a game.

He is a "good" prospect, don't think he will ever be a star though.

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]My suspicion is Dawes is suffering from the consequences of his knee reconstruction. I know it seems unlikely but here are some observations that [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]might[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] support my suspicion. [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]His chicken legs suggests he isnt doing enough leg work to give him for extra strength and a lower centre of gravity for advantage when vying for position in marking contests. This may be because his knee is suspect or it maybe he has set a psychological barrier that prevents him from getting the most out of his lower body workout.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Have you noticed the "pink punk" body builders that build up their upper body and wear baggy trackies to cover their white chicken legs. Why? [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Because squats f**ing hurt and someone with the pain of a knee reco still fresh in their minds might have a psychological and physical soft spot when it comes to leg pain. [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]When you do squats you dont get that young, dumb, full of cum pump that comes from working the upper body. You feel like god just inflated you and you are a superman, Even if your chest and arm muscles have barely changed in size. The pain one can feel doing squats can resurrect some of the fears post op athletes often entertain - what if this weight is too heavy, it feels heavy, what if it's so heavy my knee goes again, that's my AFL career down the gurgler!![/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Now of course Buttifant and his staff set the wieght program but who decides what's too painful for Dawes? Dawes, Buttifant and staff, his spotter?[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Dawes is pretty ordinary below his knees and goes to ground (centre of gravity again??) IMO too often. I like the look of the kid marking above his head but if you cant contest the ground ball and you dont impose yourself physically on your opponents like Fev can upright and on your knees you not much chop and have no future in this game (I'm voting no BTW to Fev trade). [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Finally senior AFL footballer should flub an uncontested chest mark. Dawes, Anthony and Rusling do!! We have s soft spot for the big marking bulky forwards. Bristle Taylor, Cloke and the Roccas. Who will be our next old school hard as nails KPF? [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]I hope Dawes can do it but where I'm still waiting to see the mongrel JBrown and BFevola bring to their game come out in Dawes. He needs to toughen up. [/FONT]

 

[mdc]

The chicken legs aren't really that surprising given he's one of the better endurance runners at the club.

Look at Didak's legs in 2009 compared to, say, 2005...he's lost considerable muscle mass, because the club wanted him to gain endurance. It's a trade off.

I imagine the coaching staff simply don't see Dawes as the burly type, and so have him training more on endurance than power.

 

[Pie eyed]

Probably because he was so much bigger than everyone else during U18s.

I don't follow the VFL much but if the comparisons to Hawkins are a good fit then I would not be against trading him as I don't really rate Hawkins all that highly. I'd be happy for him to prove me wrong but I don't see it happening.
Wasn't Dawes outperformed by Bryan this year in the VFL.

I would certainly agree with you here.
I hope he has more to offer than Hawkins though.
He really has not had a great amount of opportunity in the AFL though.

 

[shawthing09]

Hawkins was a far better prospect as a youngster and still is IMO. The only area Dawes has an advantage is kicking. Even then Dawes goal kicking isn't exceptional, field kicking is great though.

 

[Pie eyed]

Hawkins was a far better prospect as a youngster and still is IMO. The only area Dawes has an advantage is kicking. Even then Dawes goal kicking isn't exceptional, field kicking is great though.

Sad news if true.
I was Dawes Buddy poster last eyar and followed his AFL games pretty intently.
He looked to have a bit but was a bit of an "outsider" it seemed.

Despite the fact that some of the commentators actually had him as best on ground in the prelim, I still don't rate Hawkins at all.
Just a bloody big bloke with a hell of a lot to learn about football basics.

If Dawes is either the same as Hawkins or not likely to be any better than I'll be very disappointed.

 

[The Dawes]

Let's get one thing straight. Under no circumstances am I changing my user name from MyManDawes to MyManFev! If MyManDawes has to move clubs to retain his username, then so be it!

I hear you brother and feel your pain.

 

[WinOrLoseILoveEm]

DC watch dawes at VFL level, i dont care what he looked like against kids alf size, but against players with similar body size he just doesnt take contested marks especially above his head

My limited view in the VFL and seniors suggested he wasnt strong in most contested marking situations was looked limited when upright going below his knees because he didnt seem to bend his knees and went to ground ( out of the vontest. He marks fairly well uncontested but tended to miss chest marks clear of his man.

 

[Mudeo]

watched a VFL game last year when VFL was actually on tv in Australia, now its just sh*thouse statewide football.
Anyway it was collingwood vs someone and dawes absolutely dominated as did maccafer (who won the best on ground) and so did jack anthony!
i think all of them kicked 4-5 goals that game
will never forget that day and how proud i was of the talent coming through at collingwood.
But i think Dawes that day absolutely dominated and took 12 marks (3-4 contested) and kicked a sh*t load of goals, Then continued that form in 2008 in the VFL, that i what he can do at VFL given time to settle down.
Mark my words this kid will be a gun and win Collingwood a lot of games if he is given a heap of games in the next couple of seasons