Roast St Kilda in no mans land - Part 2

[Altum Volantes]

Having nas as a full time midfielder for a whole season instantly improves us , his the midfield gun we haven’t had since the Hayes and Goddard days

Mmm yes - but he hasn't really proven to be a successful full time mid yet has he?

How does he go with a tag etc?

I realise these are futile questions at this stage of Nasmania but there is a bit of water under the bridge just yet.

 

[Count_Zero]

People just want any excuse to sink the boots in.

I've said it before but this thread is just a glorified troll thread.

Exactly, considering we have turned our list over and haven't dropped away in that time, should be commended not mocked. Look at WC, North and Richmond. Doesn't matter how many first round draft picks and they still struggle. (time will tell with Tigers)

 

[WillHayward]

Marshall averages more hitouts though? TDK's strength is more at ground level

Surely not??

Marshall is good around the ground but the knock him on is he easily bulldozed by big Rucks at the stoppages.

 

[WillHayward]

People just want any excuse to sink the boots in.

I've said it before but this thread is just a glorified troll thread.

Just a straight troll thread.

Not much glory around

 

[WillHayward]

Exactly, considering we have turned our list over and haven't dropped away in that time, should be commended not mocked. Look at WC, North and Richmond. Doesn't matter how many first round draft picks and they still struggle. (time will tell with Tigers)

Sorry but having go at Richmond after three flags is ridiculous.
They had no choice but to go down.

North sure. Give them a whack. Fair game.

 

[angrynaut]

Mmm yes - but he hasn't really proven to be a successful full time mid yet has he?

How does he go with a tag etc?

I realise these are futile questions at this stage of Nasmania but there is a bit of water under the bridge just yet.

Hawthorn coach Sam Mitchell joked he would now have “nightmares” about Wanganeen-Milera.

“We scouted him, we tried so many things and we just couldn’t stop him,” Mitchell said.

“Even when he’s on the bench I was worried about him by the end.

“We tagged him with three or four different players and three or four different positions and he was just too good, whether he was winning it contested or uncontested, he’s a star.”

 

[WillHayward]

Well honestly I'm not sold on him fully but presumably the club are keen on it to release Marshall to play more forward and fill the King sized hole. Yes King will come back next year fingers crossed but we need someone there as a decent backup as this year showed.

There is no evidence Marshall can do anything fwd. He might prove me wrong but I doubt it.

 

[Seattle Mariners]

They've played 2 patches of good footy this season - one over the last month when their season was well and truly in the toilet.

On the second patch of good footy you speak of, I must say I could not have been less impressed with St Kilda’s 4 game winning streak. Good on them for winning but their quality of footy against four of the five league’s worst sides has been extremely underwhelming.

But that doesn’t change the fact that they could shoot up the ladder next year with some savy recruiting and important player retention.

 

[Count_Zero]

Sorry but having go at Richmond after three flags is ridiculous.
They had no choice but to go down.

North sure. Give them a whack. Fair game.

Not having a go, pointing out a fact. I wish Saints would win 3 flags. The point is we have turned over our list without bottoming out.

 

[Count_Zero]

There is no evidence Marshall can do anything fwd. He might prove me wrong but I doubt it.

I think he's an average forward. Good ruck rover.

 

[Mat Mann]

Mmm yes - but he hasn't really proven to be a successful full time mid yet has he?

How does he go with a tag etc?

I realise these are futile questions at this stage of Nasmania but there is a bit of water under the bridge just yet.

Mitchell post-match, R17: 'We scouted him, we tried so many things, but we just couldn't stop him'

Watch Hawthorn’s press conference after round 17’s match against St Kilda

www.afl.com.au

 

[Mat Mann]

There is no evidence Marshall can do anything fwd. He might prove me wrong but I doubt it.

doesn't need to do anything other than stop Max from being double-teamed, provide a down-the-line target and bring the ball to ground

 

[Tasmanian saint]

There is no evidence Marshall can do anything fwd. He might prove me wrong but I doubt it.

His a very good contested mark

 

[Mat Mann]

On the second patch of good footy you speak of, I must say I could not have been less impressed with St Kilda’s 4 game winning streak. Good on them for winning but their quality of footy against four of the five league’s worst sides has been extremely underwhelming.

But that doesn’t change the fact that they could shoot up the ladder next year with some savy recruiting and important player retention.

the patch you speak about and I agree, they were crap, but we played as many kids as possible, in their positions, when you are running 1st and 2nd year kids and your main midfielders, It's Nas's 1st go at being a midfielder, that's lost in the conversation.

That's not our second good patch

It's the games against the Pies, Freo, Hawks, Sydney and Geel, of which we lost all of them, that has me excited

 

[Altum Volantes]

Exactly, considering we have turned our list over and haven't dropped away in that time, should be commended not mocked. Look at WC, North and Richmond. Doesn't matter how many first round draft picks and they still struggle. (time will tell with Tigers)

Dropped away?

You haven't finished above 6th in 15 seasons!

Since you mentioned my club, St Kilda were last in contention in 2010 which was 4 years removed from WCE previous era premiership (2006) and in line with WCE finishing bottom.

WCE are down there again and have been for 4 seasons now - but we also managed to build a side, rise up, win and flag and go all the way back down again while your club has bobbed between 6th and 18th over the last 15 seasons.

You aren't dropping down the ladder because you've never even got out of the middle, let alone spent time at the top.

I have no hate for The Saints - they are what they are, but the thread title could not be more apt.

 

[MisterMarcus]

Okay different question from me. He's had massive offers, some of which were for essentially the rest of his career. You've kept him on unfathomable money for two years. Well done. You had to keep him and you did.

You say you're using banked cap space, which if I'm not mistaken still operates as one year below 95% allows you to spend over 100% the next year correct?

If you get Aleer (sp?) for his reported salary, and TDK for his salary I can't see how in 2026 or 2027 you'll be able to bank cap space again, you'd surely have to be much closer to the cap limit with that level of investment.

So isn't it then reasonable to wonder how you'll fend off the massive offers that will likely resurface in two years time?

Personally I think NWM is your 'must keep' Dusty style player and it will cost a lot. I think your blunder will be TDK. No ruck is worth over $1m a year. And he'll be far higher than that number.

If they've been struggling to even meet the 95% cap recently, they've probably front-loaded a bunch of guys to get to the minimum.

So they may well have some players whose current salary is tapering off just when the megabucks deals for NWM and Co are needed.

 

[LuckyBounce!]

People just want any excuse to sink the boots in.

I've said it before but this thread is just a glorified troll thread.

Yup and it’s time it was closed

 

[LuckyBounce!]

Dropped away?

You haven't finished above 6th in 15 seasons!

Since you mentioned my club, St Kilda were last in contention in 2010 which was 4 years removed from WCE previous era premiership (2006) and in line with WCE finishing bottom.

WCE are down there again and have been for 4 seasons now - but we also managed to build a side, rise up, win and flag and go all the way back down again while your club has bobbed between 6th and 18th over the last 15 seasons.

You aren't dropping down the ladder because you've never even got out of the middle, let alone spent time at the top.

I have no hate for The Saints - they are what they are, but the thread title could not be more apt.

We also have only finished bottom 4 once since 2014. Yes we haven’t made finals consistently either but we haven’t been a rabble year after year like North and West Coast

 

[Mat Mann]

Dropped away?

You haven't finished above 6th in 15 seasons!

Since you mentioned my club, St Kilda were last in contention in 2010 which was 4 years removed from WCE previous era premiership (2006) and in line with WCE finishing bottom.

WCE are down there again and have been for 4 seasons now - but we also managed to build a side, rise up, win and flag and go all the way back down again while your club has bobbed between 6th and 18th over the last 15 seasons.

You aren't dropping down the ladder because you've never even got out of the middle, let alone spent time at the top.

I have no hate for The Saints - they are what they are, but the thread title could not be more apt.

Sounds like we need the priority picks then…..

 

[Count_Zero]

Dropped away?

You haven't finished above 6th in 15 seasons!

Since you mentioned my club, St Kilda were last in contention in 2010 which was 4 years removed from WCE previous era premiership (2006) and in line with WCE finishing bottom.

WCE are down there again and have been for 4 seasons now - but we also managed to build a side, rise up, win and flag and go all the way back down again while your club has bobbed between 6th and 18th over the last 15 seasons.

You aren't dropping down the ladder because you've never even got out of the middle, let alone spent time at the top.

I have no hate for The Saints - they are what they are, but the thread title could not be more apt.

Definitely sounds like you have hate for the Saints, like a dog with a bone.

 

[Altum Volantes]

Definitely sounds like you have hate for the Saints, like a dog with a bone.

Haha I really don't!

But be realistic - the club has been in the wilderness for 15 years - that's why people are suggesting 'No Mans Land' is quite appropriate and why this thread is on 'Part 2' I guess.

I just don't agree with your suggestion that the Saints should be praised for just kinda 'hanging around' and not drifting to the bottom - history would suggest this is a cycle that the majority of clubs go through at times but its the ones that avoid bottoming out and actually do compete at the pointy end (Geelong, Sydney, Collingwood) that deserve the kudos - not those who just exist to fill a fixture.

 

[westie]

Haha I really don't!

But be realistic - the club has been in the wilderness for 15 years - that's why people are suggesting 'No Mans Land' is quite appropriate and why this thread is on 'Part 2' I guess.

I just don't agree with your suggestion that the Saints should be praised for just kinda 'hanging around' and not drifting to the bottom - history would suggest this is a cycle that the majority of clubs go through at times but its the ones that avoid bottoming out and actually do compete at the pointy end (Geelong, Sydney, Collingwood) that deserve the kudos - not those who just exist to fill a fixture.

Good points and that is precisely why the club is trying to turn it around.

 

[Mat Mann]

Haha I really don't!

But be realistic - the club has been in the wilderness for 15 years - that's why people are suggesting 'No Mans Land' is quite appropriate and why this thread is on 'Part 2' I guess.

I just don't agree with your suggestion that the Saints should be praised for just kinda 'hanging around' and not drifting to the bottom - history would suggest this is a cycle that the majority of clubs go through at times but its the ones that avoid bottoming out and actually do compete at the pointy end (Geelong, Sydney, Collingwood) that deserve the kudos - not those who just exist to fill a fixture.

I'd say history would suggest drifting to the bottom in the last 15 years would be a horrendous place to be. 5 clubs have dominated that position, and even those, hindered by the farce that is F/S, Academy, NGA, and priority picks.

The system is broken so badly, going down isn't the pancea it used to be

 

[Count_Zero]

Haha I really don't!

But be realistic - the club has been in the wilderness for 15 years - that's why people are suggesting 'No Mans Land' is quite appropriate and why this thread is on 'Part 2' I guess.

I just don't agree with your suggestion that the Saints should be praised for just kinda 'hanging around' and not drifting to the bottom - history would suggest this is a cycle that the majority of clubs go through at times but its the ones that avoid bottoming out and actually do compete at the pointy end (Geelong, Sydney, Collingwood) that deserve the kudos - not those who just exist to fill a fixture.

Keep telling yourself you don't while having a go without being prompted.

 

[Altum Volantes]

Keep telling yourself you don't while having a go without being prompted.

Fine pal.

Keep telling yourself St Kilda should be commended for treading water for 15 years.

Fmd.