Movie Star Wars - Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker - Spoilers and Rumors

[StFly]

Just bouncing off this a bit, I reckon another way you could keep the status quo of a dwindling Republic (even though it is technically in power) and a growing First Order, and again, not contradict what has come before, particularly the end of TLJ, is going with the angle that systems in the republic actually do support the resistance, but the First Order is crushing them before they can help. (perhaps this is where you bring in the idea of the hidden Final Order fleet to explain how they are big enough to do this).

You could show the audience a couple of scenes of this happening - the characters that stay at the Resistance base (including Rose, because good forbid she gets a larger role in this movie) are contacting systems, but each time they do the FO intercepts them and overruns the planet. You could still have Poe believing that nobody wants to help during the mid point of the movie, so that later on you can still keep that big moment of all of the galaxy's ships showing up in the final battle. Hell, if you want to really push this angle, imagine that with the Kimiji scenes, when they land on the planet it is not involved in the war, but the FO realise a Resistance crew is on the planet and we see first hand the first order occupy it.

Again, not the movie I would create from scratch, but it might fix up a couple of issues.

As we know, instead, they opened with "this is How Snoke was created, this is the big bad, now we rally forces for fighting", as you went from "yay Starkiller-> oh s**t run -> we dead" to searching for random not linked s**t for Final Fight 2. As we know, sequels tend to suck most times.

As you say, regardless how it is done, you introduced the concept in Canto even if that was subverted by my little ponies and irrelevance, so build on it a bit to make all the things attached to it feel like they should exist as opposed to;

Here's a planet laser.
Here's a bigger ship.
Here's massive growth with no basis in reality.
Here's you having to accept all the things at face value.

And you just get "I hate this bit, I reject that bit, that bit doesn't fit here, this doesn't make sense based on these thigns that happened previously..." and people drop off.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

The U.S. Federal Court Just Declared That Star Wars: The Last Jedi Is 'Mediocre' & 'Schlocky'

A judge called Star Wars sequels

thedirect.com

 

[JackOutback]

That article is abysmal. The judge makes a general comment about Star Wars movies and the article claims ‘The Last Jedi is roasted in court, it’s officially mediocre’. Um, he made no specific mention of the TLJ, maybe he meant TFA or the TROS or Solo, or more likely he just meant all of them because he doesn’t really like Star Wars.

Also, mediocre is fine, but schlocky?

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

https://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2021/06/01/19-56297.pdf

 

[glenferry23]

Due to yet another lockdown in Melbourne, have been showing my sons the original trilogy. Been working our way through in smaller instalments at a time, which is magical to relive the experience with them.

Even had my wife from the corner of the room record my oldest son’s reaction to Vader telling Luke he is his father in TESB. Just amazing.

Anyway, long story short. Just finished ROTJ a few days ago. And obviously Vader’s redemption in killing the Emperor is a big talking point.

In the back of my mind though, it really does suck that one day, I’m going to have to explain to them that as Palpatine was falling down that large trench, he instantly “transferred” his consciousness etc to another body in waiting on a far away planet. ******* hell.

 

[Firestarter]

Due to yet another lockdown in Melbourne, have been showing my sons the original trilogy. Been working our way through in smaller instalments at a time, which is magical to relive the experience with them.

Even had my wife from the corner of the room record my oldest son’s reaction to Vader telling Luke he is his father in TESB. Just amazing.

Anyway, long story short. Just finished ROTJ a few days ago. And obviously Vader’s redemption in killing the Emperor is a big talking point.

In the back of my mind though, it really does suck that one day, I’m going to have to explain to them that as Palpatine was falling down that large trench, he instantly “transferred” his consciousness etc to another body in waiting on a far away planet. ******* hell.

Just tell him 7 to 9 is non canon. He'll learn that term one day anyway.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Just tell him 7 to 9 is non canon. He'll learn that term one day anyway.

Then give him the Thrawn trilogy.

 

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Then give him the Thrawn trilogy.

There's elements of that that are just as cringe.

Luuke. ******* hell.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

There's elements of that that are just as cringe.

Luuke. ******* hell.

As long as it is not the Daala stuff...

 

[Firestarter]

I wanted Luke and Mara Jade instead of worse-Obi-wan Luke.

 

[theyellowsash]

Due to yet another lockdown in Melbourne, have been showing my sons the original trilogy. Been working our way through in smaller instalments at a time, which is magical to relive the experience with them.

Even had my wife from the corner of the room record my oldest son’s reaction to Vader telling Luke he is his father in TESB. Just amazing.

Anyway, long story short. Just finished ROTJ a few days ago. And obviously Vader’s redemption in killing the Emperor is a big talking point.

In the back of my mind though, it really does suck that one day, I’m going to have to explain to them that as Palpatine was falling down that large trench, he instantly “transferred” his consciousness etc to another body in waiting on a far away planet. ******* hell.

indeed. but it was apparently RJ who ruined star wars.

sure, you can argue that RJ ruined the sequel trilogy by varying from what JJ set up in TFA. But it was undeniably JJ who raped the entire franchise with TROS.

 

[JackOutback]

Due to yet another lockdown in Melbourne, have been showing my sons the original trilogy. Been working our way through in smaller instalments at a time, which is magical to relive the experience with them.

Even had my wife from the corner of the room record my oldest son’s reaction to Vader telling Luke he is his father in TESB. Just amazing.

Anyway, long story short. Just finished ROTJ a few days ago. And obviously Vader’s redemption in killing the Emperor is a big talking point.

In the back of my mind though, it really does suck that one day, I’m going to have to explain to them that as Palpatine was falling down that large trench, he instantly “transferred” his consciousness etc to another body in waiting on a far away planet. ******* hell.

And is that even clearly stated in the film or was it ‘cleared up’ in the novelisation?

 

[edgie]

indeed. but it was apparently RJ who ruined star wars.

sure, you can argue that RJ ruined the sequel trilogy by varying from what JJ set up in TFA. But it was undeniably JJ who raped the entire franchise with TROS.

If JJ raped it was RJ who groomed it

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If JJ raped it was RJ who groomed it

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Really gross analogy.

EDIT: Mainly from yellowsash, but still.

 

[theyellowsash]

If JJ raped it was RJ who groomed it

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RJ didnt do anything to touch the originals. his movie arguably messed up the flow of the sequels and took the story in a direction some people didnt like, but nothing he did impacted on the originals at all.

JJ literally ruined the originals. As said above, you now cannot watch ROTJ without knowing that palpatine didnt die but instead mind transferred into a rotting clone galaxies away with his army of (??? bug thingies ???) serving him.

 

[Ice-Wolf]

I'm making my own canon of the sequels.

TFA is fairly solid so it stay intact.

TLJ is edited so that Holdo thinks that their may be a spy on board giving the fleet away and not light speed tracking which is why she doesn't tell Poe a damn thing about her plans. The side mission to disable the light speed tracking is sanctioned and turns out to be a trap as it is a spy on the ship and light speed tracking was just a rumour created by the first order. Leia is the one to sacrifice her life ramming the ship into the SSD.

The Luke Rey training arc has a "No, I am your father moment" where Kylo Ren reveals to Rey that Luke is her father, Luke hadn't told her as after what happened he didn't want to burden her with the Skywalker legacy. Both Han and Leia knew this as soon as they saw her that's why they were so welcoming to her. Her mother is revealing in IX as being Palpatine's daughter who was raised as a Sith Assassin and sent to infiltrate his new order. Her mother is the one that left her on Jakku and messed with her memories.

 

[glenferry23]

indeed. but it was apparently RJ who ruined star wars.

sure, you can argue that RJ ruined the sequel trilogy by varying from what JJ set up in TFA. But it was undeniably JJ who raped the entire franchise with TROS.

I dislike the rape analogy, always irks me as I guess it reminds me of when people used to say Lucas “raped their childhood) in regards to the prequels.

And is that even clearly stated in the film or was it ‘cleared up’ in the novelisation?

My understanding was it was via the novel. Or it may have been a comic, similar to the one after TLJ when it reveals Luke fought the knights of ren and Snoke, causing his disfigurement etc. Whichever medium it was, I always felt Disney took the piss with ignoring these important topics in the movies and trying to flog them in comics/books instead.

 

[theyellowsash]

I'm making my own canon of the sequels.

TFA is fairly solid so it stay intact.

TLJ is edited so that Holdo thinks that their may be a spy on board giving the fleet away and not light speed tracking which is why she doesn't tell Poe a damn thing about her plans. The side mission to disable the light speed tracking is sanctioned and turns out to be a trap as it is a spy on the ship and light speed tracking was just a rumour created by the first order. Leia is the one to sacrifice her life ramming the ship into the SSD.

The Luke Rey training arc has a "No, I am your father moment" where Kylo Ren reveals to Rey that Luke is her father, Luke hadn't told her as after what happened he didn't want to burden her with the Skywalker legacy. Both Han and Leia knew this as soon as they saw her that's why they were so welcoming to her. Her mother is revealing in IX as being Palpatine's daughter who was raised as a Sith Assassin and sent to infiltrate his new order. Her mother is the one that left her on Jakku and messed with her memories.

That doesnt fix jjs mess at all.

The simplest way to fix the trilogy is to leave the first 2 and then to actually tie the 3 together only fix the last:
- it wasnt Palatine at exegol, it was snoke. Snoke was living through clones as a safeguard, which us why they were so mangled
- that also explains why he would have a secret army there, to guard him
- the movie becomes a race between rey and kylo to reach him and take him down. It would actually make it an actually interesting race between two protagonists and a main bad.
- Rey is the reincarnated spirit of anakin, born to no-body parents, just like anakin was. After his redemption in ROTJ he is born again in 'spirit' to complete the prophecy. of course like 'real life' reincarnation its not a literal clone but just spirit. it explains why rey has the flashbacks touching the saber, why she is so proficient in the force, and can explain why she has a link to kylo. it also doesnt stupidly retcon either TFA or TLJ but ties them together, and most of all fixes the god damn title of the movie and retains it as the skywalker saga. it really would then start and end with anakin.
- just get rid of the absolute stupidity of characters constantly dieing and coming back to life. it just destroys any sense of threat, and they werent even done in particularly clever ways. if youre going to kill someone, just do it. if not, dont.
- the whole knife thing is just the dumbest thing in any of the movies. just make it that the inquisitors ship had information saying the thingy was in palpatines throne room, and so theyre juts going there to get it.

most of that is so simple you could almost just do it to the cinematic with a few cuts and cfi to replace palpatine with snoke. but it would change the final product of the sequel trilogy completely. i think even the haters would come to accept TLJ eventually if the series was wrapped up properly, just like they did with empire in the end (which was very poorly received but is now generally considered the best).

 

[theyellowsash]

I dislike the rape analogy, always irks me as I guess it reminds me of when people used to say Lucas “raped their childhood) in regards to the prequels.

fair enough. i did feel a little icky after writing it tbh

 

[Ice-Wolf]

That doesnt fix jjs mess at all.

The simplest way to fix the trilogy is to leave the first 2 and then to actually tie the 3 together only fix the last:
- it wasnt Palatine at exegol, it was snoke. Snoke was living through clones as a safeguard, which us why they were so mangled
- that also explains why he would have a secret army there, to guard him
- the movie becomes a race between rey and kylo to reach him and take him down. It would actually make it an actually interesting race between two protagonists and a main bad.
- Rey is the reincarnated spirit of anakin, born to no-body parents, just like anakin was. After his redemption in ROTJ he is born again in 'spirit' to complete the prophecy. of course like 'real life' reincarnation its not a literal clone but just spirit. it explains why rey has the flashbacks touching the saber, why she is so proficient in the force, and can explain why she has a link to kylo. it also doesnt stupidly retcon either TFA or TLJ but ties them together, and most of all fixes the god damn title of the movie and retains it as the skywalker saga. it really would then start and end with anakin.
- just get rid of the absolute stupidity of characters constantly dieing and coming back to life. it just destroys any sense of threat, and they werent even done in particularly clever ways. if youre going to kill someone, just do it. if not, dont.
- the whole knife thing is just the dumbest thing in any of the movies. just make it that the inquisitors ship had information saying the thingy was in palpatines throne room, and so theyre juts going there to get it.

most of that is so simple you could almost just do it to the cinematic with a few cuts and cfi to replace palpatine with snoke. but it would change the final product of the sequel trilogy completely. i think even the haters would come to accept TLJ eventually if the series was wrapped up properly, just like they did with empire in the end (which was very poorly received but is now generally considered the best).

I haven't really got into the IX changes yet other than fixing Rey's parentage and making her mum a canon version of Mara Jade.
As you can see most of my changes to TLJ are essentially minor reshoots and edits that tighten up the story a bit.

 

[JackOutback]

I dislike the rape analogy, always irks me as I guess it reminds me of when people used to say Lucas “raped their childhood) in regards to the prequels.



My understanding was it was via the novel. Or it may have been a comic, similar to the one after TLJ when it reveals Luke fought the knights of ren and Snoke, causing his disfigurement etc. Whichever medium it was, I always felt Disney took the piss with ignoring these important topics in the movies and trying to flog them in comics/books instead.

At the risk of being seen to jump to TLJ’s defence, Snoke’s disfigurement fits pretty squarely into supplementary material whereas how the Emperor survived is absolutely crucial. I can’t believe there’s a quote from JJ where he says they cut it because it wasn’t that important.

Also, the best way to ‘fix’ the sequel trilogy is to simply turn it into a duology. Rey tries to redeem Kylo, she fails, he goes on to create a new breed of Sith, she goes on to create a new breed of Jedi. But the endless Jedi/Sith cycle is broken.

 

[theyellowsash]

I haven't really got into the IX changes yet other than fixing Rey's parentage and making her mum a canon version of Mara Jade.
As you can see most of my changes to TLJ are essentially minor reshoots and edits that tighten up the story a bit.

personally i liked TLJ (doesnt mean i liked all of it, hated the casino scene), but i think any changes to TLJ are just minor personal story gripes, and nothing that couldnt have been tied together with some semi-intelligent writing in the final movie.

TROS was the shitstorm that ruined the trilogy. JJ was too concerned with placating the internet and being a smartass that he produced a crummy world of plot holes and spelling errors, which instead of pleasing at least either the critics or the fans (which the previous movies did) literally pleased noone. Right down to absolute stupidity of naming the movie the rise of skywalker, even though rey is a palpatine, and he retconned the whole 9 movie series into being the palpatine sage instead of the skywalker saga. if he had jts named it rise of palpatine, it would have made a lot more sense. at first it seems like its referring to palpatine rising again and creates some sense of foreboding and dread, but then it twists and actually means its about rey learning her heritage and rising up to save the galaxy. its not that hard.

but thats too much to expect of jj. he's just like michael bay but with lens flares instead of explosions.

 

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personally i liked TLJ (doesnt mean i liked all of it, hated the casino scene), but i think any changes to TLJ are just minor personal story gripes, and nothing that couldnt have been tied together with some semi-intelligent writing in the final movie.

TROS was the shitstorm that ruined the trilogy. JJ was too concerned with placating the internet and being a smartass that he produced a crummy world of plot holes and spelling errors, which instead of pleasing at least either the critics or the fans (which the previous movies did) literally pleased noone. Right down to absolute stupidity of naming the movie the rise of skywalker, even though rey is a palpatine, and he retconned the whole 9 movie series into being the palpatine sage instead of the skywalker saga. if he had jts named it rise of palpatine, it would have made a lot more sense. at first it seems like its referring to palpatine rising again and creates some sense of foreboding and dread, but then it twists and actually means its about rey learning her heritage and rising up to save the galaxy. its not that hard.

but thats too much to expect of jj. he's just like michael bay but with lens flares instead of explosions.

Yes my issues with TLJ are just minor in terms of story beats and then more to do with the direction of characters and the humour utilised. ROS is the story beats which are the issue.

 

[theyellowsash]

At the risk of being seen to jump to TLJ’s defence, Snoke’s disfigurement fits pretty squarely into supplementary material whereas how the Emperor survived is absolutely crucial. I can’t believe there’s a quote from JJ where he says they cut it because it wasn’t that important.

he had to leave room for lando creeping on his daughter instead

 

[edgie]

I would strongly feel that RJ's Luke destroys the originals.

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