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At the commencement of the league in 1897, these were the designated home grounds:
CARLTON: Princes Park
COLLINGWOOD: Victoria Park
ESSENDON: East Melbourne Cricket Ground
FITZROY: Brunswick Street
GEELONG: Corio Oval
MELBOURNE: MCG
ST. KILDA: Junction Oval
SOUTH MELBOURNE: Albert Park
It took until round 2, 1919 for every team to record a victory and a loss to each other on all home grounds. The game that completed this feat was St. Kilda achieving their first victory at Victoria Park.
CARLTON: Princes Park
COLLINGWOOD: Victoria Park
ESSENDON: East Melbourne Cricket Ground
FITZROY: Brunswick Street
GEELONG: Corio Oval
MELBOURNE: MCG
ST. KILDA: Junction Oval
SOUTH MELBOURNE: Albert Park
It took until round 2, 1919 for every team to record a victory and a loss to each other on all home grounds. The game that completed this feat was St. Kilda achieving their first victory at Victoria Park.
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The 1997 season was a very unusual one.
In that season every team was in the Top 8 at the completion of a round at least once during the season. Even bottom team Melbourne, which finished last by a long way was in the Top 8 once courtesy of an upset win over North Melbourne in Round 1. Another strange statistic from 1997 is that the last team to get into the Top 8 was the minor premiers and eventual runner up St. Kilda, with the Saints not entering the 8 until Round 8.
Can anyone else name a season, apart from the war affected 4 team 1916 competition, where all the teams were in the Top 4/5/6/8 at least once during the season?
In that season every team was in the Top 8 at the completion of a round at least once during the season. Even bottom team Melbourne, which finished last by a long way was in the Top 8 once courtesy of an upset win over North Melbourne in Round 1. Another strange statistic from 1997 is that the last team to get into the Top 8 was the minor premiers and eventual runner up St. Kilda, with the Saints not entering the 8 until Round 8.
Can anyone else name a season, apart from the war affected 4 team 1916 competition, where all the teams were in the Top 4/5/6/8 at least once during the season?
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I was thinking about what was the longest period of time there has been with no repeat premierships and no repeat wooden spoon teams in the AFL/VFL.
For premiers, 6 years in the 1960s brought 6 different sides the premiership. Geelong won in 1963, Melbourne 1964, Essendon 1965, St. Kilda 1966, Richmond 1967 and Carlton in 1968, before the streak broke when 1967 premiers Richmond were again premiers in 1969.
For wooden spoons, the longest time I could think of was 9 years from 1996-2004. These 9 seasons saw 9 different teams finish on the bottom of the ladder, starting with Fitzroy in 1996, Melbourne 1997, Brisbane Lions 1998, Collingwood 1999, St. Kilda 2000, Fremantle 2001, Carlton 2002, Western Bulldogs 2003 and Richmond 2004, before Carlton broke the streak by claiming the 2005 wooden spoon 3 years after a last placed finish in 2002.
I can't think of any longer periods of time with no repeats premierships or wooden spoons. If there's something I missed or you can think of anything close, please reply.
For premiers, 6 years in the 1960s brought 6 different sides the premiership. Geelong won in 1963, Melbourne 1964, Essendon 1965, St. Kilda 1966, Richmond 1967 and Carlton in 1968, before the streak broke when 1967 premiers Richmond were again premiers in 1969.
For wooden spoons, the longest time I could think of was 9 years from 1996-2004. These 9 seasons saw 9 different teams finish on the bottom of the ladder, starting with Fitzroy in 1996, Melbourne 1997, Brisbane Lions 1998, Collingwood 1999, St. Kilda 2000, Fremantle 2001, Carlton 2002, Western Bulldogs 2003 and Richmond 2004, before Carlton broke the streak by claiming the 2005 wooden spoon 3 years after a last placed finish in 2002.
I can't think of any longer periods of time with no repeats premierships or wooden spoons. If there's something I missed or you can think of anything close, please reply.
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For Premiers, there should also be the 6-year streak from 2003-2008:
2003 Brisbane
2004 Port Adelaide
2005 Sydney
2006 West Coast
2007 Geelong
2008 Hawthorn
Broken by another win to Geelong in 2009. The 9-year streak is comfortably the longest for wooden spoons.
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Stat observation - Simon Beasley has kicked the most goals in one decade, of all players that only played in a particular decade. (575 goals from 154 games in the 1980s).
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Most goals in a 10-year period:
1066 - Jason Dunstall (1987-1996)
961 - Gordon Coventry (1926-1935)
894 - Tony Lockett (1987-1996)
841 - Gary Ablett Snr (1987-1996)
820 - Doug Wade (1966-1975)
817 - Peter McKenna (1966-1975)
Most goals in a 5-year period:
598 - Peter Hudson (1967-1971)
591 - Peter McKenna (1969-1973)
580 - Jason Dunstall (1988-1992)
516 - Gary Ablett Snr (1992-1996)
511 - Gordon Coventry (1926-1930)
497 - Bob Pratt (1932-1936)
495 - John Coleman (1949-1953)
478 - Tony Lockett (1991-1995)
458 - Doug Wade (1969-1973)
1066 - Jason Dunstall (1987-1996)
961 - Gordon Coventry (1926-1935)
894 - Tony Lockett (1987-1996)
841 - Gary Ablett Snr (1987-1996)
820 - Doug Wade (1966-1975)
817 - Peter McKenna (1966-1975)
Most goals in a 5-year period:
598 - Peter Hudson (1967-1971)
591 - Peter McKenna (1969-1973)
580 - Jason Dunstall (1988-1992)
516 - Gary Ablett Snr (1992-1996)
511 - Gordon Coventry (1926-1930)
497 - Bob Pratt (1932-1936)
495 - John Coleman (1949-1953)
478 - Tony Lockett (1991-1995)
458 - Doug Wade (1969-1973)
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Most goals in a season in losing games.
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Club
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Total Goals
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Total Games
\72|Kelvin Templeton|1978|Footscray|14|118|21
\71|Jack Green|1934|Hawthorn|15|80|18
\69|Jack Moriarty|1932|Fitzroy|15|81|18
\68|Mark Jackson|1981|Melbourne|21|76|22
\68|Tony Lockett|1985|St. Kilda|18|79|21
\64|Peter Hudson|1970|Hawthorn|12|146|22
\63|Tom Fitzmaurice|1934|North Melbourne|17|63|17
\63|Brendan Fevola|2006|Carlton|17|84|21
\62|Bert Hyde|1928|Hawthorn|18|62|18
\62|Doug Wade|1971|Geelong|14|94|19
\61|Sel Murray|1941|North Melbourne|12|88|17
\61|Simon Beasley|1982|Footscray|18|82|21
\60|Bob Pratt|1939|South Melbourne|14|72|16
\72|Kelvin Templeton|1978|Footscray|14|118|21
\71|Jack Green|1934|Hawthorn|15|80|18
\69|Jack Moriarty|1932|Fitzroy|15|81|18
\68|Mark Jackson|1981|Melbourne|21|76|22
\68|Tony Lockett|1985|St. Kilda|18|79|21
\64|Peter Hudson|1970|Hawthorn|12|146|22
\63|Tom Fitzmaurice|1934|North Melbourne|17|63|17
\63|Brendan Fevola|2006|Carlton|17|84|21
\62|Bert Hyde|1928|Hawthorn|18|62|18
\62|Doug Wade|1971|Geelong|14|94|19
\61|Sel Murray|1941|North Melbourne|12|88|17
\61|Simon Beasley|1982|Footscray|18|82|21
\60|Bob Pratt|1939|South Melbourne|14|72|16
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And to be fair - this should have been an 8 year streak! (2003-2010).
Stuffed up by whom? The first team to lose a Grand Final after winning the First Quarter, winning the Second Quarter, and winning the Third Quarter!! Who else but eh?
AFL Premiership 'Drought Breakers' - Top 15
1. Sydney Swans d West Coast (2005) - 72 Years (FIRST IN SYDNEY)
2. St. Kilda d Collingwood (1966) - 70th Year (FIRST)
3. Western Bulldogs d Sydney Swans (2016) - 62 Years (FIRST AS WESTERN BULLDOGS)
4. Brisbane Lions d Essendon (2001) - 57 Years (FIRST IN BRISBANE)
5. North Melbourne d Hawthorn (1975) - 51st Year (FIRST)
6. Geelong d Port Adelaide (2007) - 44 Years (LONGEST DROUGHT FOR A TEAM THAT WON BEFORE UNDER THE SAME NAME)
7. Richmond d Adelaide (2017) - 37 Years
7. Hawthorn d Footscray (1961) - 37th Year (FIRST)
9. Collingwood d Essendon (1990) - 32 Years
10. Footscray d Melbourne (1954) - 30th Year (FIRST)
11. Geelong d Collingwood (1925) - 29th Year (FIRST)
12. Melbourne d Collingwood (1926) - 26 Years
13. Richmond d Geelong (1967) - 24 Years
14. Carlton d Collingwood (1938) - 23 Years
15. Carlton d Essendon (1968) - 23 Years
Decades of ‘Drought Breakers’ (Top 10 Only)
2000s - 3: Brisbane Lions (2001), Sydney Swans (2005) & Geelong (2007).
2010s - 2: Western Bulldogs (2016) & Richmond (2017).
1960s - 2: Hawthorn (1961) & St. Kilda (1966).
1950s - 1: Footscray (1954).
1970s - 1: North Melbourne (1975).
1990s - 1: Collingwood (1990).
Current ‘Record’ Droughts (Only St. Kilda isn't a record)
55 Years (5th) - Melbourne (1964) - Record drought for Melbourne
53 Years (6th) - St. Kilda (1966)
25th Year (15th) - Fremantle (Joined in 1995) - Record drought for Fremantle
24 Years (16th) - Carlton (1995) - Record drought for Carlton as we enter Season 2019... Had to win in 2018.
Next up Adelaide (1998), North Melbourne (1999), Essendon (2000) - all overdue by 1 in 18 years measure.
As a question I hadn't considered until now, but who had the longer drought Richmond (1980-2017) waiting 37 years before winning again of Hawthorn (1925-1961) winning its first in its 37th Year. Which of those is the longer drought or should they be considered droughts of equal significance?
1. Sydney Swans d West Coast (2005) - 72 Years (FIRST IN SYDNEY)
2. St. Kilda d Collingwood (1966) - 70th Year (FIRST)
3. Western Bulldogs d Sydney Swans (2016) - 62 Years (FIRST AS WESTERN BULLDOGS)
4. Brisbane Lions d Essendon (2001) - 57 Years (FIRST IN BRISBANE)
5. North Melbourne d Hawthorn (1975) - 51st Year (FIRST)
6. Geelong d Port Adelaide (2007) - 44 Years (LONGEST DROUGHT FOR A TEAM THAT WON BEFORE UNDER THE SAME NAME)
7. Richmond d Adelaide (2017) - 37 Years
7. Hawthorn d Footscray (1961) - 37th Year (FIRST)
9. Collingwood d Essendon (1990) - 32 Years
10. Footscray d Melbourne (1954) - 30th Year (FIRST)
11. Geelong d Collingwood (1925) - 29th Year (FIRST)
12. Melbourne d Collingwood (1926) - 26 Years
13. Richmond d Geelong (1967) - 24 Years
14. Carlton d Collingwood (1938) - 23 Years
15. Carlton d Essendon (1968) - 23 Years
Decades of ‘Drought Breakers’ (Top 10 Only)
2000s - 3: Brisbane Lions (2001), Sydney Swans (2005) & Geelong (2007).
2010s - 2: Western Bulldogs (2016) & Richmond (2017).
1960s - 2: Hawthorn (1961) & St. Kilda (1966).
1950s - 1: Footscray (1954).
1970s - 1: North Melbourne (1975).
1990s - 1: Collingwood (1990).
Current ‘Record’ Droughts (Only St. Kilda isn't a record)
55 Years (5th) - Melbourne (1964) - Record drought for Melbourne
53 Years (6th) - St. Kilda (1966)
25th Year (15th) - Fremantle (Joined in 1995) - Record drought for Fremantle
24 Years (16th) - Carlton (1995) - Record drought for Carlton as we enter Season 2019... Had to win in 2018.
Next up Adelaide (1998), North Melbourne (1999), Essendon (2000) - all overdue by 1 in 18 years measure.
As a question I hadn't considered until now, but who had the longer drought Richmond (1980-2017) waiting 37 years before winning again of Hawthorn (1925-1961) winning its first in its 37th Year. Which of those is the longer drought or should they be considered droughts of equal significance?
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The Carlton d Essendon (1968) drought should be 21 years, as Carlton's previous premiership was 1947 (also against Essendon).
The 15th 'drought breaker' on the list will be Fitzroy d Richmond (1944) - 22 years.
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If Essendon don’t win a final in the next couple of years, we may have an entire league of players whose careers began after Essendon’s most recent finals win.
The only players remaining from the 2004 season are:
Shaun Burgoyne
Luke Hodge
Gary Ablett Jr
Jarrad McVeigh
Kade Simpson
David Mundy
Heath Shaw
Aaron Sandilands
Daniel Wells
Michael Rischitelli
The only players remaining from the 2004 season are:
Shaun Burgoyne
Luke Hodge
Gary Ablett Jr
Jarrad McVeigh
Kade Simpson
David Mundy
Heath Shaw
Aaron Sandilands
Daniel Wells
Michael Rischitelli
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Not sure about your maths, wasn't it 54 goals in 7 losses (7, 14, 4, 3, 10, 11, 5)?
8.0 goals per H&A loss - Peter Hudson (1973)
7.7 - Gary Ablett Snr (1993)
7.0 - Jason Dunstall (1985)
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A crowd of 18,112 has been in attendance at York Park three times!
R10, 2002 - HW v PA - https://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/2002/101320020602.html
R09, 2007 - HW v WC - https://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/2007/101820070526.html
R19, 2016 - HW v CA - https://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/2016/031020160730.html
R10, 2002 - HW v PA - https://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/2002/101320020602.html
R09, 2007 - HW v WC - https://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/2007/101820070526.html
R19, 2016 - HW v CA - https://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/2016/031020160730.html
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Best starts from inauguration:
6 wins - ME (VFL 1897), BR* (AFLW 2017)
4 - AD (AFLW 2017)
3 - CO (VFL 1897), NM** (AFLW 2019)
2 - FI (VFL 1897), BR (VFL 1987), CA (AFLW 2017)
* drew their 7th game
** streak is current
6 wins - ME (VFL 1897), BR* (AFLW 2017)
4 - AD (AFLW 2017)
3 - CO (VFL 1897), NM** (AFLW 2019)
2 - FI (VFL 1897), BR (VFL 1987), CA (AFLW 2017)
* drew their 7th game
** streak is current
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Best starts from inauguration:
6 wins - ME (VFL 1897), BR* (AFLW 2017)
4 - AD (AFLW 2017), NM (AFLW 2019)
3 - CO (VFL 1897)
2 - FI (VFL 1897), BR (VFL 1987), CA (AFLW 2017)
* drew their 7th game
6 wins - ME (VFL 1897), BR* (AFLW 2017)
4 - AD (AFLW 2017), NM (AFLW 2019)
3 - CO (VFL 1897)
2 - FI (VFL 1897), BR (VFL 1987), CA (AFLW 2017)
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Most career goals without winning a best & fairest
Gls|Player|Club(s)|Gms|Career
\926|Lloyd, Matthew|Es|270|1995-2009
\817|Quinlan, Bernie|WB,Fi|366|1969-1986
\722|Vallence, Harry|Ca|204|1926-1938
\707|Lee, Dick|Co|230|1906-1922
\681|Pratt, Bob|Sy|158|1930-1946
\629|Moncrieff, Michael|Ha|224|1971-1983
\623|Fevola, Brendan|Ca,Br|204|1999-2010
\607|Roach, Michael|Ri|200|1977-1989
\588|Modra, Tony|Ad,Fr|165|1992-2001
\575|Beasley, Simon|WB|154|1982-1989
\574|Osborne, Richard|Fi,Sy,WB,Co|283|1982-1998
\574|Milne, Stephen|St|275|2001-2013
\563|Betts, Eddie|Ca,Ad|295|2005-2018
\563|Roughead, Jarryd|Ha|275|2005-2018
\562|Kennedy, Josh J.|Ca,WC|221|2006-2018After the bottom three, Taylor Walker is next among current players with 383.
\926|Lloyd, Matthew|Es|270|1995-2009
\817|Quinlan, Bernie|WB,Fi|366|1969-1986
\722|Vallence, Harry|Ca|204|1926-1938
\707|Lee, Dick|Co|230|1906-1922
\681|Pratt, Bob|Sy|158|1930-1946
\629|Moncrieff, Michael|Ha|224|1971-1983
\623|Fevola, Brendan|Ca,Br|204|1999-2010
\607|Roach, Michael|Ri|200|1977-1989
\588|Modra, Tony|Ad,Fr|165|1992-2001
\575|Beasley, Simon|WB|154|1982-1989
\574|Osborne, Richard|Fi,Sy,WB,Co|283|1982-1998
\574|Milne, Stephen|St|275|2001-2013
\563|Betts, Eddie|Ca,Ad|295|2005-2018
\563|Roughead, Jarryd|Ha|275|2005-2018
\562|Kennedy, Josh J.|Ca,WC|221|2006-2018
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Hard to credit Pratt not winning the South Melbourne Best & Fairest in 1934.....What more does a fella have to do?
Surprised at Super-boot, Bernie Quinlan also not winning one.
