Analysis Stats!

[Paladin]

Hendo second to Smith by average.

No wonder the Don loves him.

Atkins and Seedsman very good numbers

 

[displacedaussie]

Hendo second to Smith by average.

Hendo's number are heavily padded by the Round 7/8 games against the Bulldogs and Geelong where he got a lot of it but was pretty shit (imo).

Round 7: 554
Round 8: 590
Round 9: 304
Round 10: 197
Round 11: 299

 

[Sanders]

Hendo's number are heavily padded by the Round 7/8 games against the Bulldogs and Geelong where he got a lot of it but was pretty shit (imo).

Round 7: 554
Round 8: 590
Round 9: 304
Round 10: 197
Round 11: 299

Or he got a lot of it but you didn't care

 

[Bicks]

Hendo's number are heavily padded by the Round 7/8 games against the Bulldogs and Geelong where he got a lot of it but was pretty shit (imo).

Round 7: 554
Round 8: 590
Round 9: 304
Round 10: 197
Round 11: 299

So he stood up in the "big" games against "good" opposition when plenty of his teammates didn't is my take on what you've put up there???

 

[Danoz]

So he stood up in the "big" games against "good" opposition when plenty of his teammates didn't is my take on what you've put up there???

No, he got the ball, panicked, bombed long to our disadvantage and turned the ball over. Lots of metres, shit effectiveness. Disposal efficiency should rely on maintaining possession, and not just discount if the opposition intercepts or takes a mark.

 

[WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot]

It would be interesting to see a measure of metres gained that takes into account turnovers. i.e net metres gained, where, if you turn the ball over, the metres gained by the opposition from your turnover count against your metres gained.

Running 10 metres and then kicking the ball 50 metres doesn't mean much if you kick the ball to the opposition and they take it down the other end and score from it.

 

[Sanders]

No, he got the ball, panicked, bombed long to our disadvantage and turned the ball over. Lots of metres, shit effectiveness. Disposal efficiency should rely on maintaining possession, and not just discount if the opposition intercepts or takes a mark.

Do the same measures, whether flawed or not, apply to all players?

If yes, your point is moot

 

[Danoz]

Do the same measures, whether flawed or not, apply to all players?

If yes, your point is moot

Yes of course they do, but that is my point. The measures are flawed. There are some players who are getting 85% disposal efficiency who hit their targets 85% of the time, that is, their targeted player takes a mark or at least keeps possession. That is what disposal efficiency should measure. At this point in time, kicking to a disputed contest counts as an efficient disposal. Henderson kicks to a contest and gets an effective disposal to his name, but it's not really effective. Do you see what I mean?

 

[Sanders]

For those struggling with opening both eyes:

The 2 most outside players in the league are widely thought to be Lachie Whitfield and Lewis Jetta.

Using 2015 as a guide (2016 still small sample)

Hendo 19.53 touches, 1.35 tackles and 28.5% possessions contested

Whitfield 21.67 touches, 1.81 tackles and 24.7% possessions contested

Jetta 18.25 touches 3.13 tackles and 22.2% possessions contested

Let's add in Brodie Smith whilst we're at it

Smith 18.19 touches, 1.86 tackles and 31.1% possessions contested

2016 numbers aren't very different

What does this tell us?

That Hendo's "contest" rate is directly in line with the sort of player he is meant to be. I.e. An outside player

And that this doesn't tell us much about the effectiveness of an outside player.

 

[Sanders]

Yes of course they do, but that is my point. The measures are flawed.

No your analysis is flawed.

As long as the measure is the same, the relative and proportionate ranking applies to players.

The pros and cons, assuming they are real, advantage and disadvantage all players.

if you can "cheat" to get better numbers then everyone can cheat. That just means the absolute gross is inflated not the relative ranking is wrong.

And Hendo's DE is just fine.

 

[Bicks]

Injury stats for different clubs...Wow....Plenty of variance!

Ryan Burton a bit of a worry?

ADELAIDE
Player Injury Estimated Return
Curtly Hampton Foot 2-3 weeks
Riley Knight Ankle Test
Sam Shaw Concussion Test
Updated: Tuesday, June 7


BRISBANE LIONS
Player Injury Estimated Return
Harris Andrews Foot Test
Dayne Beams* Knee TBC
Hugh Beasley Knee 8 weeks
Rohan Bewick Groin Test
Allen Christensen Collarbone 8 weeks
Darcy Gardiner Finger Test
Cian Hanley Groin Indefinite
Ryan Lester Leg 1 week
Jaden McGrath Foot Indefinite
Archie Smith Concussion Test
Updated: Tuesday, June 7


CARLTON
Player Injury Estimated Return
Blaine Boekhorst Wrist 2 weeks
David Cuningham Hip 3 weeks
Charlie Curnow Glandular fever 3 weeks
Andrew Gallucci Shoulder Season
Matthew Kreuzer Concussion Test
Harry McKay * Back 3 weeks
Marc Murphy Ankle 4 weeks
Liam Sumner Foot Test
Updated: Tuesday, June 7


COLLINGWOOD
Player Injury Estimated Return
Taylor Adams Hamstring 4-5 weeks
Tim Broomhead Ankle 2 weeks
Jamie Elliott Back Season
Alex Fasolo Fractured scapula 4 weeks
Tom Langdon Ankle 2 weeks
Darcy Moore Fractured collarbone 3-4 weeks
Jackson Ramsay Knee Season
Matt Scharenberg* Knee Season
Dane Swan* Broken leg/foot Season
Updated: Tuesday, June 7


ESSENDON
Player Injury Estimated Return
Mark Baguley Knee Indefinite
Ryan Crowley Hamstring 4 weeks
Nathan Grima Hip TBC
Michael Hartley Hamstring 2-3 weeks
Alex Morgan Quad TBC
Jonathan Simpkin* Hamstring 3-5 weeks
Updated: Tuesday, June 7


FREMANTLE
Player Injury Estimated Return
Michael Apeness Collarbone 6 weeks
Harley Balic* Wrist TBC
Harley Bennell Calf Season
Nat Fyfe* Fractured leg Season
Ethan Hughes Calf 2 weeks
Sean Hurley Hip 1-3 weeks
Garrick Ibbotson Wrist 1-3 weeks
Michael Johnson Knee/hamstring TBC
Ryan Nyhuis Knee 3-5 weeks
Alex Pearce* Leg Season
Clancee Pearce Concussion Test
Aaron Sandilands Ribs 2-4 weeks
Alex Silvagni Calf 2-4 weeks
Shane Yarran Calf Test
Updated: Tuesday, June 7


GEELONG
Player Injury Estimated Return
Zac Bates Quad 6-8 weeks
Wylie Buzza Quad 2-4 weeks
Nakia Cockatoo Knee 4-6 weeks
Jordan Cunico Knee 4-6 weeks
Cam Delaney Knee TBC
George Horlin-Smith Knee 6-8 weeks
Tom Read Knee 2 weeks
Scott Selwood Foot 3-4 weeks
Rhys Stanley Foot Test
Jackson Thurlow* Knee Season
Updated: Tuesday, June 7


GOLD COAST
Player Injury Estimated Return
Clay Cameron Foot Test
Dan Currie Finger 2 weeks
Sam Day Hip Test
Brayden Fiorini* Knee 5 weeks
Jarrad Grant Hamstring Test
Kade Kolodjashnij Ankle Test
Sean Lemmens Ribs Test
Jesse Lonergan Knee Test
Darcy MacPherson Knee 6-8 weeks
Jaeger O'Meara Knee Indefinite
Dion Prestia Knee Test
Adam Saad Hamstring 1 week
Danny Stanley Hamstring 1 week
David Swallow* Knee Indefinite
Updated: Tuesday, June 7


GREATER WESTERN SYDNEY
Player Injury Estimated Return
Paul Ahern* Knee Season
Aidan Corr Ankle 2-3 weeks
Ryan Griffen Back Test
Adam Kennedy Shoulder 2-3 weeks
Caleb Marchbank Ankle 3-4 weeks
Cam McCarthy Illness Indefinite
Tim Mohr Hamstring 3-5 weeks
Jarrod Pickett Foot Season
Devon Smith Knee 5-7 weeks
James Stewart Knee Test
Updated: Tuesday, June 7


HAWTHORN
Player Injury Estimated Return
Ryan Burton Leg Indefinite
Jon Ceglar Suspension 1 week
Jack Fitzpatrick Concussion 1 week
Jack Gunston Bruised foot Test
Luke Hodge Knee 2 weeks
Jarryd Roughead Illness Indefinite
Ryan Schoenmakers Groin Indefinite
Matt Spangher Hamstring 7-9 weeks
Alex Woodward Knee 3 weeks
Updated: Tuesday, June 7

MELBOURNE
Player Injury Estimated Return
Angus Brayshaw Concussion 2 weeks
Colin Garland Cheekbone Test
Mitch King Knee Season
Heritier Lumumba Concussion Indefinite
Christian Salem Illness 3 weeks
Jack Viney Fractured knuckle 3 weeks
Updated: Tuesday, June 7


NORTH MELBOURNE
Player Injury Estimated Return
Jed Anderson Hamstring Test
Shaun Higgins* Knee 8 weeks
Ben Jacobs Foot 6-8 weeks
Sam Wright Ankle 6-8 weeks
Kayne Turner Hamstring 1 week (plus 4-week club-imposed ban)
Todd Goldstein Knee Test
Updated: Wedneday, June 8

PORT ADELAIDE
Player Injury Estimated Return
Jack Hombsch Hamstring 2-3 weeks
Alipate Carlile Knee 10-12 weeks
Tom Jonas Suspended Available round 17
Matthew Lobbe Knee 6-8 weeks
Jay Schulz Back 2-4 weeks
Will Snelling Foot Indefinite
Matt White* Pectoral 4-5 weeks
Updated: Tuesday, June 7


RICHMOND
Player Injury Estimated Return
Ben Griffiths Ankle Test
Dylan Grimes Hamstring soreness Test
Bachar Houli Wrist 5-7 weeks
Ben Lennon Shoulder 4-5 weeks
Kamdyn McIntosh* Ankle 9 weeks
Reece McKenzie* Mental health TBC
Steven Morris Knee Season
Ivan Soldo Concussion Test
Nick Vlastuin Concussion Test
Chris Yarran Foot/Mental health Indefinite
Updated: Tuesday, June 7


ST KILDA
Player Injury Estimated Return
Sean Dempster Knee 4 weeks
Sam Fisher Hamstring 2-3 weeks
Nathan Freeman Hamstring Indefinite
Hugh Goddard Achilles Season
Billy Longer Concussion 4 weeks
Paddy McCartin Concussion/neck 2 weeks
Nick Riewoldt Knee Test
Updated: Tuesday, June 7


SYDNEY SWANS
Player Injury Estimated Return
George Hewitt Concussion Test
Alex Johnson* Knee Indefinite
Tom Papley Shin Test
Sam Reid Achilles Test
Ted Richards Concussion 1 week
Daniel Robinson* Shoulder 7-11 weeks
Michael Talia* Foot 6 weeks
Updated: Tuesday, June 7


WEST COAST
Player Injury Estimated Return
Nic Naitanui Achilles Test
Dom Sheed Pectoral 2-3 weeks
Alec Waterman Illness Indefinite
Updated: Tuesday, June 7


WESTERN BULLDOGS
Player Injury Estimated Return
Zaine Cordy Ankle 1 week
Jason Johannisen Hamstring 3 weeks
Toby McLean Foot TBC
Robert Murphy Knee Season
Josh Prudden Knee Season
Roarke Smith Knee Indefinite
Koby Stevens Abdominal TBC
Easton Wood Hamstring 1 week
Updated: Tuesday, June 7

*Placed on the club's long-term injury list

 

[Sanders]

With regards to disposal efficiency

This is the definition:

Effective disposals are made up of effective long kicks, effective short kicks and effective handballs. An effective long kick is one that is 40 metres to a 50/50 or better for the team. An effective short kick is one that results in a teammate's possession who was the intended target of the kicker. A handball to a teammate that hits the intended target to the team's advantage is recorded as an effective handball.

And Hendo ranks top 5 for the club in DE.

 

[1achie]

No, he got the ball, panicked, bombed long to our disadvantage and turned the ball over. Lots of metres, shit effectiveness. Disposal efficiency should rely on maintaining possession, and not just discount if the opposition intercepts or takes a mark.

Alternatively it could be that those teams clamped down on Smith and were happy to let Hendo run free knowing that he wouldn't hurt them anywhere near as much.
I'm over Hendo, we have plenty of other outside players that are actually capable of spoiling an opposition mark inside 50 when required.

 

[MarcusP2]

With regards to disposal efficiency

This is the definition:

Effective disposals are made up of effective long kicks, effective short kicks and effective handballs. An effective long kick is one that is 40 metres to a 50/50 or better for the team. An effective short kick is one that results in a teammate's possession who was the intended target of the kicker. A handball to a teammate that hits the intended target to the team's advantage is recorded as an effective handball.

And Hendo ranks top 5 for the club in DE.

So if smith kicks 50 to Tex in a 2 on 1, it's ineffective even if Tex wins the contest? Wonder how they account for bombs over the top into space.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Ryan Burton a bit of a worry?

He was always going to have surgery to remove the screws in his leg at some stage. The Hawks planned it so that he would do the preseason, get to have a taste with some matches, then have the screws removed and be right to go for a full preseason. I don't think the plan was for him to come back at all this season but I might be wrong

 

[Sanders]

So if smith kicks 50 to Tex in a 2 on 1, it's ineffective even if Tex wins the contest? Wonder how they account for bombs over the top into space.

If Smith is kicking to a double teamed target, how much credit should he get for that?

Wouldn't he have been better off picking out the open man

 

[headache1]

So if smith kicks 50 to Tex in a 2 on 1, it's ineffective even if Tex wins the contest? Wonder how they account for bombs over the top into space.

I don't know for certain, but I would think if Tex wins the contest, then it has resulted in being better than 50/50 for the team.

 

[MarcusP2]

If Smith is kicking to a double teamed target, how much credit should he get for that?

Wouldn't he have been better off picking out the open man

I agree. Just wondering if it's based on the setup or outcome of the contest.

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[Miss Vanessa]

Apologies for going offline for a while. Damn life stuff got in the way. But fear not. I'm back... With three weeks worth of delicious stats. Since I've been away, we've seen Smith reclaim his mantle as metres gained guy, Talia become top dog for intercept marks, Tex looking to claim the crown for score involvements, Jacobs do some mighty fine tap work to advantage, Hendo's figures slide and our former captain put in a decent effort before a stinker sent him back to the twos.

So here we go. After Round 11:

Meters Gained:


Intercepts:


Intercept Marks:


Pressure Acts:


Score Involvements:


Hitouts:


Freekicks:




Team Stats

 

[displacedaussie]

Wow, Dougy went from 20 --> 29 --> 9 pressure acts in his last 3 games!

 

[mrmatt]

Milera's score involvement/disposal number would be freakishly high

 

[Miss Vanessa]

And after a glorious Round 12:

Meters Gained:


Intercepts


Intercept Marks


Pressure Acts


Score Involvements


Hitouts


Frees

 

[GreyCrow]

Did I hear PD had 1092m gained last night? Is that a record since this stat was measured?

 

[FantasticShirt]

stat game is strong

 

[FantasticShirt]

Also M Crouch's m gained is last night was terrible. I know that's not necessarily why he's in the team, but would be great to see that improve to at least S Thompson levels.