Autopsy Suns loss & Vent Thread

[one eyed bluey]

This.

I went to the Gabba in 2007 to watch the Lions annihilate us and Pagan's coaching career come to an end. Although he will coach next week, I feel like I just watched Ratten's coaching career come to the end. It's not all his fault, this Jeckyll and Hyde team gave him hope the penny had dropped the past few weeks and then they go and troll him like that.

What is Ratten's fault, is the russian roulette he plays with our structure. No room for error when your key defenders are White and McInnes who are third defender size. Whenever we go in with no backup and lose a tall early, a terrible game is bound to follow. He took the odds to our mobile lineup never letting the ball get to the Suns tall forwards. The problem there is that when the midfield is off, your tall defenders can minimise the damage until the midfield starts turning the tide.

Woeful skills and insipid half efforts were the order of the day. Not sure how it looked on TV and I was down one end of the ground, but the only player I saw trying to do anything was Judd.

Him, Mclean, walker and Scotland can hold their heads high...thats about it.

 

[Vin Catoggio]

This.

I went to the Gabba in 2007 to watch the Lions annihilate us and Pagan's coaching career come to an end. Although he will coach next week, I feel like I just watched Ratten's coaching career come to the end. It's not all his fault, this Jeckyll and Hyde team gave him hope the penny had dropped the past few weeks and then they go and troll him like that.

What is Ratten's fault, is the russian roulette he plays with our structure. No room for error when your key defenders are White and McInnes who are third defender size. Whenever we go in with no backup and lose a tall early, a terrible game is bound to follow. He took the odds to our mobile lineup never letting the ball get to the Suns tall forwards. The problem there is that when the midfield is off, your tall defenders can minimise the damage until the midfield starts turning the tide.

Woeful skills and insipid half efforts were the order of the day. Not sure how it looked on TV and I was down one end of the ground, but the only player I saw trying to do anything was Judd.

I was at the scoreboard end and thought Brock was great all night.

 

[The Coach]

My views on the night...

The suns came to play... and the Carlton players won the game last weekend in their minds when we thumped the scum by 96 points.

That was one of the most pathetic performances by a side dressed in the Old Dark Navy Blue that I have ever seen. And that includes the bad years from 2002-2007.

A couple of the players were good and tried hard all night. The rest of the boys left their attitude at home thinking that we just needed to show up.

As for the rookies:

Bell made a few mistakes, but he never gave up trying.

Casboult seems to have corrected his slice, but was starting the ball right and instead of it slicing back to where he wanted it to go, it kept on going straight and he was missing out to the right this week.

Apparently Ratts is currently going off in his post-match presser. The club isnt relaying the responses via twitter so I dont know what he is saying.

And so on the back of that pathetic effort by the players, Ratts is going to probably coach his last match next week.

I watch body language and read the captions but he seemed calm enough to me - just unhappy about the Q inferring the loss had consequences for him

 

[16bit]

Who the hell deleted my post? I'm pretty sure this is a vent thread and I am a Carlton supporter. FFS.

 

[Dramoth]

i'm a big fan of the boy, maybe he can get that dead graff knee thing cracker from collingwood got an be back in 12 weeks ...

whats the point... he is only 20... if he was 30, then he might consider it.

 

[gardiner stand]

This.

I went to the Gabba in 2007 to watch the Lions annihilate us and Pagan's coaching career come to an end. Although he will coach next week, I feel like I just watched Ratten's coaching career come to the end. It's not all his fault, this Jeckyll and Hyde team gave him hope the penny had dropped the past few weeks and then they go and troll him like that.

What is Ratten's fault, is the russian roulette he plays with our structure. No room for error when your key defenders are White and McInnes who are third defender size. Whenever we go in with no backup and lose a tall early, a terrible game is bound to follow. He took the odds to our mobile lineup never letting the ball get to the Suns tall forwards. The problem there is that when the midfield is off, your tall defenders can minimise the damage until the midfield starts turning the tide.

Woeful skills and insipid half efforts were the order of the day. Not sure how it looked on TV and I was down one end of the ground, but the only player I saw trying to do anything was Judd.

spot on correct but judd did sweet fa in the last qtr

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Him, Mclean, walker and Scotland can hold their heads high...thats about it.

Yeah didn't see McLean do much wrong, and felt Walker did well when switched back to defence. Scotland tried but geez, did he have the fumbles tonight. Honestly thought he was having a shocker in the first half. I concede I couldn't see everything where I was.

 

[Styxx]

This seriously could be the straw that breaks this camel's back.

Lazy, disinterested almost playing with a sense of unearned self entitlement. THat performance was worse than the darks days because we knew we didn't have the cattle then, AND WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE IT NOW???????!!!!!!

Absolute disgrace and this is ALL on the players, at the very least you know Ratts actually cares.

 

[HBF]

With that record of rotten luck, he's just as likely to do a shoulder during a preseason match.

Do we expect Melbourne to beat Freo next week? Let him at least have the experience of playing an AFL game as reward for persistence in the couple of months he's played at Northern.

They might give him a game for "reward for effort", but i'd like the club to keep the Walker/Waite/Casboult combination for our last game.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

In fact, rather than pot Ratten, I'm going to say ... Brett mate, you're a top bloke, you give your all, but you have a new life with a new baby and you are not getting back what you put in. This team does not deserve you. If you are going to go out, go out by telling them where to go, not the other way around.

 

[Azul]

They might give him a game for "reward for effort", but i'd like the club to keep the Walker/Waite/Casboult combination for our last game.

Fair enough but since we have no defenders left, I half expect Waite to play CHB.

 

[The Real Deal]

This.

I went to the Gabba in 2007 to watch the Lions annihilate us and Pagan's coaching career come to an end. Although he will coach next week, I feel like I just watched Ratten's coaching career come to the end. It's not all his fault, this Jeckyll and Hyde team gave him hope the penny had dropped the past few weeks and then they go and troll him like that.

What is Ratten's fault, is the russian roulette he plays with our structure. No room for error when your key defenders are White and McInnes who are third defender size. Whenever we go in with no backup and lose a tall early, a terrible game is bound to follow. He took the odds to our mobile lineup never letting the ball get to the Suns tall forwards. The problem there is that when the midfield is off, your tall defenders can minimise the damage until the midfield starts turning the tide.

Woeful skills and insipid half efforts were the order of the day. Not sure how it looked on TV and I was down one end of the ground, but the only player I saw trying to do anything was Judd.

This sums up the 5 years of Ratten as coach. For this game the only planning that seemed to have been done was to limit Ablett's effectiveness. How about the other 21 players- what was our plan for them?

 

[JustaBattler]

Sadly my worst fears - formed after the losses against Saints, Adelaide and Port - have come true. Inexcusable result tonight. Ratten is in a very dark place now - not really about his job- but about so many players he has put his faith and trust in letting him and supporters down. I feel for Ratts tonight.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Sadly my worst fears - formed after the losses against Saints, Adelaide and Port - have come true. Inexcusable result tonight. Ratten is in a very dark place now - not really about his job- but about so many players he has put his faith and trust in letting him and supporters down. I feel for Ratts tonight.

His own players have trolled him big time. He didn't cause that rubbish.

 

[Mentallo]

Thank God I didn't fly up for that.

Sack the goal kicking coach.

That is all.

 

[mediumsizered]

This sums up the 5 years of Ratten as coach. For this game the only planning that seemed to have been done was to limit Ablett's effectiveness. How about the other 21 players- what was our plan for them?

The plan was for them to worry about us, as it should have been. The game was not lost in the coach's box, it was lost between the ears of many of our players.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

This sums up the 5 years of Ratten as coach. For this game the only planning that seemed to have been done was to limit Ablett's effectiveness. How about the other 21 players- what was our plan for them?

We were not supposed to have to plan for the Gold Coast team. At the moment we are heads and shoulders superior to them, at least on paper. We were supposed to play our own game, and keep the intensity up ... that's all. We did neither. We did nothing.

 

[mediumsizered]

This.

I went to the Gabba in 2007 to watch the Lions annihilate us and Pagan's coaching career come to an end. Although he will coach next week, I feel like I just watched Ratten's coaching career come to the end. It's not all his fault, this Jeckyll and Hyde team gave him hope the penny had dropped the past few weeks and then they go and troll him like that.

What is Ratten's fault, is the russian roulette he plays with our structure. No room for error when your key defenders are White and McInnes who are third defender size. Whenever we go in with no backup and lose a tall early, a terrible game is bound to follow. He took the odds to our mobile lineup never letting the ball get to the Suns tall forwards. The problem there is that when the midfield is off, your tall defenders can minimise the damage until the midfield starts turning the tide.

Woeful skills and insipid half efforts were the order of the day. Not sure how it looked on TV and

I was down one end of the ground, but the only player I saw trying to do anything was Judd.

I was at that game in 2007 & I was absolutely disgusted with the majority of the players who played that day, particularly some of the most experienced players. They did our jumper a massive disservice that day & I feel similar sentiments about tonight's effort.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

The plan was for them to worry about us, as it should have been. The game was not lost in the coach's box, it was lost between the ears of many of our players.

A trillion percent ... yes.

 

[ESKIE]

I was out for the evening and just got back, holy hell, I cannot believe it, so much to play for,

Millionares eh?

What a pack of idiots

 

[AndyLucimitis]

Maybe this is the wake up call we needed to have



Funnily enough, I kind of feel strangely relaxed after the loss. I always had the feeling that if we just scraped into the finals that we'd end up in this state of limbo where we would argue over whether the season was a success or not.

This loss gives us clear air - no debate - the season was a failure.

Whether this is attributed to Ratts, the players, fitness staff or all of the above I don't know but we cannot argue with the results.

 

[JustaBattler]

His own players have trolled him big time. He didn't cause that rubbish.

I am gutted tonight, gutted for Ratts - I was really hoping that Ratts would get a decent break and we would make the finals at least - the fairy tale ending he deserved after this shit year...strap your belt on - it gets rough for the Club from here.

 

[Big Red is back]

Look we got thrashed by port beaten by gc who were missing half there side it's rockbottom

I am as low as shark sh. T

That said this might be what we need to shake things up

 

[The Big Sticks]

Yeah didn't see McLean do much wrong, and felt Walker did well when switched back to defence. Scotland tried but geez, did he have the fumbles tonight. Honestly thought he was having a shocker in the first half. I concede I couldn't see everything where I was.

Most of the team were fumbling the ball all night. I just couldn't believe it.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Maybe this is the wake up call we needed to have



Funnily enough, I kind of feel strangely relaxed after the loss. I always had the feeling that if we just scraped into the finals that we'd end up in this state of limbo where we would argue over whether the season was a success or not.

This loss gives us clear air - no debate - the season was a failure.

Whether this is attributed to Ratts, the players, fitness staff or all of the above I don't know but we cannot argue with the results.

I agree that it is better to have happened now, and like this, in order to ensure something happens, rather than risk further mental fragility next year.

Oh, if anybody says the players are down on confidence because of the pressure of a possible top 8 slot and Ratten suggesting we would do damage if we made it, I'll reach through the screen and ....

I mean FFS, it was Gold Coast.