List Mgmt. The 2019 Trade and Free Agency Thread

[PerfectFooty]

Bont is a very different kind of midfielder to Green, although both seemingly play inside.

We need elite kicking and ideally some pace or at least agility around the half forward line. I'm not against bidding on Green but christ we love shoehorning contested players into forward-line positions - Tom Sparrow anyone?

vandenBerg when he's fit is another that comes to mind

 

[stEdy]

VDB, although a contested beast, is also quite quick, loves burying people and can take a strong contested mark. He also showed he was quite dynamic late 2018 in the finals series, he's definitely not just a meat and potatoes player, he's comfortable creating the play forward of centre.

Contested players can work in the forward line, if they can apply forward pressure and can be creative or at least efficient with ball in hand. But most of our other small forwards are currently resting mids or honest toilers - we need dynamic players with forward craft in there. Playing Fritsch up there is a good start, though

 

[mrmonkey]

Was thinking about how we don't have a player that looks like they could break a game open like a cripps or Dangerfield. If green is potentially like cripps I'm very happy for us to bid on him.

 

[Proper Gander]

Gwuzz are pretty much locks to match on Green yeah? (I’ve taken this vague impression to heart and turned it into a hard fact).

If it somehow rains on their parade to have to match our bid at three then I’m all for it.

Plus, last time we were matched at 3 was Mills I think? Which was followed by our getting Oliver. And Oliver is now the greatest human of all time while Mills is that guy that was punched by Bugg.

Let’s bid on this Green character

 

[demon21]

Of course Melb should bid on Green some say he is the 2nd best player in the draft, People saying we don't need another inside mid when u have a top pick should take best available. There is no way that GWS don't match.

 

[markm106]

Green is quiet possibly best available at 3. He’s not what we need but if we rate him then why not bid. Him and Clarry could cause havoc. However no way GWS won’t match. Pick 6 and 40 should match pick 3 points wise.

 

[harry000]

I don’t know that either of those statements is true. From what I’ve read, seen and heard there are mixed views.

I’ll be fine with either Young or Green as long as we pick the kid who is most likely to become star of the competition. End of.

Salem also has a laser boot remember but would you have preferred him or Cripps in hindsight? We picked Salem at 9 in 2013 with Cripps going just a few picks later at 13. These are seriously important decisions.

I’ll agree with you that bringing Toump into the conversation was probably not relevant.

It is true. There isn't consensus. If we bid on Green GWS may not even match at pick 3 according to some.

Some experts don't see a bid on Green until pick 5 with Young and Stephens both going before him.

The Salem vs Cripps argument is exactly that, hindsight. And Im fine with having Salem on our list since we went and got Oliver. Do you think GWS have regrets over drafting Whitfield ahead of Ollie Wines?

I think that this 'best available' approach is BS anyway. Anyone heard of the New England Patriots? Most successful sporting franchise of this era and I've never seen them take 'best available'. Couple years back they drafted a running back in the first round who wasn't meant to get taken until late 2nd round, he now has a super bowl ring and was one of the best performed in last years play offs. There were 20 other blokes rated higher but the Patriots needed a running back who can catch well so they got one that suited their team needs.

Hayden Young is what we need. Not an inside mid who can maybe play a bit of CHF because there is no room in our midfield for the next 6 years.

Edit: p.s. - Young looks even better than Salem was as a junior.

 

[GatesOfHell]

It is true. There isn't consensus. If we bid on Green GWS may not even match at pick 3 according to some.

Some experts don't see a bid on Green until pick 5 with Young and Stephens both going before him.

The Salem vs Cripps argument is exactly that, hindsight. And Im fine with having Salem on our list since we went and got Oliver. Do you think GWS have regrets over drafting Whitfield ahead of Ollie Wines?

I think that this 'best available' approach is BS anyway. Anyone heard of the New England Patriots? Most successful sporting franchise of this era and I've never seen them take 'best available'. Couple years back they drafted a running back in the first round who wasn't meant to get taken until late 2nd round, he now has a super bowl ring and was one of the best performed in last years play offs. There were 20 other blokes rated higher but the Patriots needed a running back who can catch well so they got one that suited their team needs.

Hayden Young is what we need. Not an inside mid who can maybe play a bit of CHF because there is no room in our midfield for the next 6 years.

Edit: p.s. - Young looks even better than Salem was as a junior.

I don’t think AFL/NFL drafting strategies bear too much comparison. Player positions in the latter are specialised to an extraordinary degree, whereas most of our lot are expected to be able to adapt to multiple roles.

I also wouldn’t be so sure our engine room is ‘set’ for the next half decade. Oliver and Brayshaw no argument, however Viney is injury prone, Jones set to retire, Petracca doesn’t have the tank and Sparrow is an unknown quantity. Harmes is good compliment in there sure but he is no A grader.

I like Young and can very much see how he fits into and improves our side but if Green has Cripps-like qualities forget the whole inside/outside player palaver. At 192+cm he is going to become a quality addition wherever his club plugs him in on the ground.

All likely moot anyway as I can’t see GWS not matching a bid from us for him.

 

[Cobwebs]

I don’t think AFL/NFL drafting strategies bear too much comparison. Player positions in the latter are specialised to an extraordinary degree, whereas most of our lot are expected to be able to adapt to multiple roles.

I also wouldn’t be so sure our engine room is “set’ for the next half decade. Oliver and Brayshaw no argument, however Viney is injury prone, Jones set to retire, Petracca doesn’t have the tank and Sparrow is an unknown quantity. Harmes is good compliment in there sure but he is no A grader.

I like Young and can very much see how he fits into and improves our side but if Green has Cripps-like qualities forget the whole inside/outside player palaver. At 192+cm he is going to become a quality player wherever his club plugs him in on the ground.

All likely moot anyway as I can’t see GWS not matching a bid from us for him.

Yeah I was thinking pretty much the same. We all thought O Mac would be first to go out of the backline, we wuz wrong. Who knows what can happen, best available and jettison those that don't fit after. At worst we get to make GWS pay for talent like everybody else that doesn't have a decent academy.

 

[TheCount]

I don’t think AFL/NFL drafting strategies bear too much comparison. Player positions in the latter are specialised to an extraordinary degree, whereas most of our lot are expected to be able to adapt to multiple roles.

I also wouldn’t be so sure our engine room is “set’ for the next half decade. Oliver and Brayshaw no argument, however Viney is injury prone, Jones set to retire, Petracca doesn’t have the tank and Sparrow is an unknown quantity. Harmes is good compliment in there sure but he is no A grader.

I like Young and can very much see how he fits into and improves our side but if Green has Cripps-like qualities forget the whole inside/outside player palaver. At 192+cm he is going to become a quality player wherever his club plugs him in on the ground.

All likely moot anyway as I can’t see GWS not matching a bid from us for him.

Exactly, if he does have Cripps like qualities, there is no way GWS aren't matching.

Feels like there is a lot of gamesmanship going on at the moment tho, leaking interest in the GWS academy player, and the main player that fills GWS' needs when we're trying to extort them in a pick swap, all seems quite convenient.

 

[Cannon82]

Will piss myself if we draft Green and Jackson then the coaches will wonder why we have the same problems in 3 years time.

The problem is clearly a lack of tall options and contested beasts.

 

[harry000]

I love the "Cripps like qualities" s**t that gets thrown around. I remember recruiters saying Sparrow plays like Dangerfield against men in the SANFL. Doesn't mean he is going to win a brownlow.

 

[Gysberts2Bate]

I love the "Cripps like qualities" s**t that gets thrown around. I remember recruiters saying Sparrow plays like Dangerfield against men in the SANFL. Doesn't mean he is going to win a brownlow.

The question is whether the reason players like Cripps or Bont or Fyfe can play any position on the field is a) because they're Cripps-like/Bont-like/Fyfe-like or b) because they're freakishly talented? If Green is a similar level of talent he can probably dominate as a forward but if he's just a similar style of player without the talent he might not actually have any impact outside of the midfield.

 

[GatesOfHell]

Exactly, if he does have Cripps like qualities, there is no way GWS aren't matching.

Feels like there is a lot of gamesmanship going on at the moment tho, leaking interest in the GWS academy player, and the main player that fills GWS' needs when we're trying to extort them in a pick swap, all seems quite convenient.

Yes and Suma urging the Dees to take Jackson at pick 3. Seriously what does it matter to him what pick the kid goes at? Why single out Melbourne?

Definitely some pre-draft posturing going on. We see this almost every year. Still remember all those off field wild party boy stories that came out of the West a few years back sewing seeds of doubt about Jack Darling. Lo and behold he somehow slips through to the Eagles in the second round.

 

[mrmonkey]

Yes and Suma urging the Dees to take Jackson at pick 3. Seriously what does it matter to him what pick the kid goes at? Why single out Melbourne?

Definitely some pre-draft posturing going on. We see this almost every year. Still remember all those off field wild party boy stories that came out of the West a few years back sewing seeds of doubt about Jack Darling. Lo and behold he somehow slips through to the Eagles in the second round.

I remember it well, there was a lot of people on the 2010 draft thread screaming out for darling, I certainly don't remember one mention of lucas cook.

 

[Gysberts2Bate]

I remember it well, there was a lot of people on the 2010 draft thread screaming out for darling, I certainly don't remember one mention of lucas cook.

There were a lot of very talented juniors in that draft crop to be fair, I followed it pretty closely that year. We picked the worst one but if there was ever a year that Darling was going to slide it was that one.

 

[KickLongTackleHard]

I remember it well, there was a lot of people on the 2010 draft thread screaming out for darling, I certainly don't remember one mention of lucas cook.

I still can’t work out how he made it to a pick in the 20s. I can only think he was considered a major flight risk. Was a gun Junior from very early on.

 

[Tulip]

I still can’t work out how he made it to a pick in the 20s. I can only think he was considered a major flight risk. Was a gun Junior from very early on.

****ed someone in a tent at school camp, west coast blew that story right up

 

[GatesOfHell]

Geez we were stiff in that draft. Cook pick 12 ... Pick 11 - Tom Lynch to the Suns. I recall we were keen, too.

Hopefully the draft Gods are smiling on us on November 27.

 

[KickLongTackleHard]

f’ed someone in a tent at school camp, west coast blew that story right up

He did. Shouldn’t have been the reason to scare clubs off though. Curnow refused the breath test and still went 12.

 

[Demon 16]

f’ed someone in a tent at school camp, west coast blew that story right up

Yep. Pretty sure he just got a hand job.

 

[blitznu]

Darling got knocked out in a fight didnt he? and Eagles were spreading s**t to the media saying his head is ****ed or some s**t hey. Well thats what i remember. If that never happened * me the drugs were good
Edit yeah found it other stories as well about having a fractured skull..

AFL draft prospect Darling attacked

POLICE are investigating a savage attack on teenage football star Jack Darling after he was allegedly king hit in Subiaco last weekend.

www.google.com

 

[blitznu]

Yep. Pretty sure he just got a hand job.

* me dont know what you campaigners were up to at 17 but to think getting drunk and getting a handjob on camp was a bad news story is crazy.

 

[Proper Gander]

f’ed someone in a tent at school camp, west coast blew that story right up

Seriously was that the story that was supposed to scare everyone off? Everyone f’ed someone in a tent at a school camp at some point. I assumed the big scare was something plausible and problematic for an athlete along the lines of rumoured drug habit or similar.

 

[mrmonkey]

There were a lot of very talented juniors in that draft crop to be fair, I followed it pretty closely that year. We picked the worst one but if there was ever a year that Darling was going to slide it was that one.

I just had a look at the 2010 draft and it's weird to think we ended up drafting Tom McDonald at 53 in comparison. Also Jeremy Howe also made up for it. Still was a massive mistake, I remember a suprised Kevin Sheehan saying that he wasn't expecting him to go that early.