Roast The AFL aren't taking concussion and head trauma seriously enough. Lalor/Ginbey incident.

[BF Tiger]

No, I said where's his duty of care for Brock, as well as himself?

It was shoved away by Ginbey.

 

[AstuteTiger]

You guys just can't help yourself but to use emotive arguments because you're incapable of logic, eh?

Man this has to be the most simple logic argument possible. Ginbey shoves Lalor into the contest PERIOD = fractured jaw.

 

[TY24]

Are you condoning that dog ginbeys actions are you? Let me guess you defended another Eagles Dog act Gaff on Brayshaw

Show me a single post where I've defended it.

I've said from the start that it was dumb and careless.

 

[bzparkes]

Hold on… was it a deliberate shove to push him off his line or an accidental push? You’re all over the place BZ.

Pushed him off his line, which accidentally ended up with him crashing into Brock.

Is it really this hard to understand that he meant to push him but didn't mean to push him into Brock?

 

[bzparkes]

Man this has to be the most simple logic argument possible. Ginbey shoves Lalor into the contest PERIOD = fractured jaw.

Pushing a man into a contest and them ending up injured isn't a suspendable offence.

Case in point:


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[bzparkes]

Show me a single post where I've defended it.

I've said from the start that it was dumb and careless.

Don't think he's 'Astute' enough to look, tbh.

 

[AstuteTiger]

Show me a single post where I've defended it.

I've said from the start that it was dumb and careless.

It wasn't careless it was deliberate.

 

[BF Tiger]

As I said earlier a few times, if you want to prevent such incidents in future, you need to punish actions and not outcomes.

So you’re saying Ginbey should be punished for the dangerous act he executed. Excellent. We’re making progress.

 

[captain bloodsport]

Pushed him off his line, which accidentally ended up with him crashing into Brock.

Is it really this hard to understand that he meant to push him but didn't mean to push him into Brock?

So his speed played no factor at all, he just got pushed?

 

[bzparkes]

So you’re saying Ginbey should be punished for the dangerous act he executed. Excellent. We’re making progress.

No, I'm saying(for the umpteenth time because you clearly don't want to go back and read) that if the AFL wants to punish this action, then they need to introduce a law and not make one up on the spot to punish a bloke for a rule that doesn't exist.

The Maynard ruling being the precedent.

So no, Ginbey should not be punished.

Excellent.

 

[AstuteTiger]

Pushing a man into a contest and them ending up injured isn't a suspendable offence.

Case in point:


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Not sure why you have sent this to me. What im saying is Ginbey deliberately pushed Lalor into the contest which resulted in Lalor fracturing his jaw.

 

[captain bloodsport]

Pushing a man into a contest and them ending up injured isn't a suspendable offence.

Case in point:


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So this was not a free kick and not a suspension? Kind of like riewoldt and barrass. You guys are goofballs

 

[TY24]

It wasn't careless it was deliberate.

Did he deliberately push him? Absolutely

Did he deliberately push him with the intent to injure him? Probably not. Only Rueben knows.

My guess would be that he probably didn't want the bloke to end up with a hairline jaw fracture in a pre-season scratchy, but that's what happens in a contact sport.

I'm sure Jordan De Goey didn't want Brad Shepherd to rip his hammy off the bone when he gave him a push in the 2018 QF either.

I'm also sure Maynard didn't want to concuss Angus Brayshaw in the 2023 QF.

That's the nature of sport, shit happens.

 

[bzparkes]

So his speed played no factor at all, he just got pushed?

I've explained it, if you can't understand it that's not my fault.

Also, FYI.

 

[bzparkes]

So this was not a free kick and not a suspension? Kind of like riewoldt and barrass. You guys are goofballs

Are you really this dumb? Tunneling can award a suspension, pushing a bloke into a contest cannot, as evidenced by Hopper.

 

[bzparkes]

Not sure why you have sent this to me.

because Hopper pushed Day into a contest and broke his collarbone.

No suspension.

There's your precedent.

 

[captain bloodsport]

Are you really this dumb? Tunneling can award a suspension, pushing a bloke into a contest cannot, as evidenced by Hopper.

Both your examples were not free kicks or suspensions

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Nothing in that for mine. They’re both running at pace toward the contest, if they’re so close to each other then of course they’re going to push each other off to create space.

Unfortunate but nothing malicious or negligent.

 

[bzparkes]

Both your examples were not free kicks or suspensions

Tunneling is a free kick and a suspension. There's a rule in place for this.

Push in the back is a free kick. Has been forever.

you're saying Ginbey should be punished outside the rules.

Lalor got his free kick.

 

[AstuteTiger]

Did he deliberately push him? Absolutely

Did he deliberately push him with the intent to injure him? Probably not. Only Rueben knows.

My guess would be that he probably didn't want the bloke to end up with a hairline jaw fracture, but that's what happens in a contact sport.

I'm sure Jordan De Goey didn't want Brad Shepherd to rip his hammy off the bone when he gave him a push in the 2018 QF either.

I'm also sure Maynard didn't want to concuss Angus Brayshaw in the 2023 QF.

That's the nature of sport, shit happens.

AFL have to do something about this. Tom Hawkins is renowned for shoving opponents in the back. Caused several injuries. Soldo did his ACL from Hawkins shoving him into the contest.

 

[bzparkes]

AFL have to do something about this. Tom Hawkins is renowned for shoving opponents in the back. Caused several injuries. Soldo did his ACL from Hawkins shoving him into the contest.

Sure they do but you can't punish someone for a rule that doesn't exist.

 

[TY24]

Both your examples were not free kicks or suspensions

How is this even remotely relevant?

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

Tunneling is a free kick and a suspension. There's a rule in place for this.

Push in the back is a free kick. Has been forever.

you're saying Ginbey should be punished outside the rules.

Lalor got his free kick.

So Ginbey should be free to play round 1?

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

Sure they do but you can't punish someone for a rule that doesn't exist.

There's plenty of rules that cover this.

 

[bzparkes]

So Ginbey should be free to play round 1?

Yes.