Roast The AFL aren't taking concussion and head trauma seriously enough. Lalor/Ginbey incident.

[bzparkes]

Hysterics? You were the one accusing lalor of maliciously running at the ball too fast

No, I said where's his duty of care for Brock, as well as himself?

 

[captain bloodsport]

Yes, you got it.

If you can break someone's back by intentionally tunneling and have no case to answer for a clearly reportable offence, then a bloke accidentally pushing a bloke into someone running back with the flight can be safely ignored.

Not the tiges fault it wasn't a free kick or a suspension

 

[captain bloodsport]

No, I said where's his duty of care for Brock, as well as himself?

Lalor was pushed from behind into Brock. Where was Ginbeys duty of care for lalor and Brock?

 

[bzparkes]

What was his duty of care in that situation ?

Not run full pace at a bloke running back with the flight?

I mean, if you guys are suggesting Ginbey deliberately pushed him into Brock, them surely Lalor could also see him, see he was never going to make it to the contest and just pull up?

If you're then going to suggest he didn't see him, then how could Ginbey see him?

My opinion is that it was an unfortunate accident and Ginbey had zero intent to push Lalor into Brock.

Sucks that Lalor got injured and I wish him a speedy recovery.

 

[captain bloodsport]

Not run full pace at a bloke running back with the flight?

I mean, if you guys are suggesting Ginbey deliberately pushed him into Brock, them surely Lalor could also see him, see he was never going to make it to the contest and just pull up?

If you're then going to suggest he didn't see him, then how could Ginbey see him?

My opinion is that it was an unfortunate accident and Ginbey had zero intent to push Lalor into Brock.

Sucks that Lalor got injured and I wish him a speedy recovery.

OK so when the ball is kicked by your team mate in your direction, you are not allowed to run at full pace? How can you be sure that lalor was going to cannot into him? The only reason lalor hit Brock was because he was pushed from behind.

Ginbey made a split second decision that was a mistake it happens in footy.

You suggesting lalor was going to cannon into Brock is completely wrong and stupid

 

[bzparkes]

OK so when the ball is kicked by your team mate in your direction, you are not allowed to run at full pace? How can you be sure that lalor was going to cannot into him? The only reason lalor hit Brock was because he was pushed from behind.

Ginbey made a split second decision that was a mistake it happens in footy.

You suggesting lalor was going to cannon into Brock is completely wrong and stupid

I understand Ginbey's a unit but I really don't think he can launch Lalor at full pace into Brock, considering it didn't even look like he gave him that much of a nudge to begin with.

 

[Cuzz09]

today on SEN Nathan Buckley said it was a football act and a free kick was given. You can't legislate for every tiny difference.

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[captain bloodsport]

I understand Ginbey's a unit but I really don't think he can launch Lalor at full pace into Brock, considering it didn't even look like he gave him that much of a nudge to begin with

So your suggesting it's Lalors fault?

 

[bzparkes]

So your suggesting it's Lalors fault?

No, I even put what I think in a post you quoted

My opinion is that it was an unfortunate accident and Ginbey had zero intent to push Lalor into Brock.

 

[captain bloodsport]

No, I even put what I think in a post you quoted

You literally said "I really don't think he can launch Lalor at full pace into Brock, considering it didn't even look like he gave him that much of a nudge to begin with"
If he can't launch Lalor into Brock the how else did it happen?

 

[VicBased]

Richmond supporters using buzz words of broken jaw etc when it is actually a hairline fracture and the jaw is not displaced.
He will probably front up Rd 1.
Storm in a teacup.

 

[Truetiger]

What will be interesting is the AFL constantly saying head contact is a massive no. They have a chance to send a serious message. Let’s see how it goes.

 

[Noidnadroj]

& I’m sure the match review officer will look at it. But it’s been reacted to like Gibney is Barry Hall & Lalor is Staker.

My point is the reaction doesn’t meet the act.

You’ve started a thread saying this one incident that hasn’t been looked at at yet is proof the AFL isn’t taking concessions seriously. It’s not a reaction that matches the act. In my opinion

Yep, it’s not worth the AFL sticking their noses in.

I think he should be suspended to ensure the act of shoving players into traffic when not contesting the ball is stamped out.

If he’s not suspended then we are saying you are allowed to shove a player into traffic via any means you desire and if they get injured it’s their bad luck.

It wasn’t a malicious act and it’s not a common one … but if it goes unpunished it will become more common, as a player has nothing to lose by shoving players into marking contests by any means they wish and all it costs them is a free kick.

I think he will be suspended. Or he will get off and the AFL will introduce a rule before the season starts outlawing this action, as it’s probably not covered by any specific rule as it stands now … I’m ok with either outcome, so long as it’s clear it’ll result in suspensions if the player getting shoved is injured.


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[Sarcoidevo]

It's not Ginbey's fault that Lalor is uncoordinated

 

[bzparkes]

You literally said "I really don't think he can launch Lalor at full pace into Brock, considering it didn't even look like he gave him that much of a nudge to begin with"
If he can't launch Lalor into Brock the how else did it happen?

Probably because Lalor perhaps misjudged the distance/speed?

I don't ****ing know, do I?

That's why I said it's an accident

 

[Noidnadroj]

This is dumb as shit.

So you're saying Hopper is fine because it was collarbone but if they'd have clashed heads he should've been given weeks, despite the action being exactly the same?

The hysterics from some Richmond supporters have been very amusing, to say the least.

Think of it like a tackle. You tackle hard and a player breaks a collarbone you get off. You tackle hard and a player gets concussed you get weeks.

They are not apples and apples just because the action was the same. If you don’t think head trauma is treated differently from other injuries you’ve been asleep for a few years.


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[bzparkes]

I think he should be suspended to ensure the act of shoving players into traffic when not contesting the ball is stamped out.

Is that against the rules currently?

because you can't suspend someone for an arbitrarily made up rule after an incident has occurred.

We saw Maynard end Angus Brayshaw's career and not get suspended for pretty much that exact reason, after all.

 

[bzparkes]

Think of it like a tackle. You tackle hard and a player breaks a collarbone you get off. You tackle hard and a player gets concussed you get weeks.

They are not apples and apples just because the action was the same. If you don’t think head trauma is treated differently from other injuries you’ve been asleep for a few years.


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Yes, because dangerous tackles are a suspendable offence.

Pushing someone into someone else is not.

Should it be? Well I guess this incident will certainly spark discussion around that.

 

[Sarcoidevo]

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[Noidnadroj]

If Gibney managed to do the physics and maths to figure out the outcome in the split second he had, then he shouldn’t be playing footy. If he can calculate that mentally in that time frame, he needs to be sorting out electricity. He would create a free sustainable electricity source within a few months

The question is : should you be allowed to shove a player into oncoming traffic when not looking at or contesting the ball, without any chance of being suspended regardless of what happens to the shoved player?

Maybe the current rules do allow for this and Ginbey can’t be suspended as there’s no specific rule he has broken. If that’s the case a rule should be added ASAP to prevent someone else suffering the same fate as Lalor.


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[captain bloodsport]

Probably because Lalor perhaps misjudged the distance/speed?

I don't ****ing know, do I?

That's why I said it's an accident

Lalor didn't misjudge anything, he got pushed from behind into an oncoming player. All your excuses are fanciful

 

[ep2018]

I feel for tigers supporters, if that was Harley or Hewett I'd be pissed.

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

The AFL needs to have the balls to draw a line in the sand over this incident.
Ginbey is a dirty player and he meant it imo, just like Maynard.

 

[Robroy22]

If a player pushes another player who is in the air, then the player in the air has NO way of altering his/her trajectory. Current rules allow pushes to the side or front of the body if the ball is in contention (i.e.: 5m) but even so the rule does little to protect players with eyes on the ball and bodies in full flight from indiscriminate "pushes" which result in injury.

This was a push from behind (i.e.:the back) towards a player who was already off the ground with the intention to force that player into the path of another oncoming player.

I have no Richmond affiliation and I agree that what Jack Reiwoldt did was tunnelling and that he too should have been sanctioned. Richmond players have been pretty famous for "defending" in this manner since the days of Hardwick and Rance. I have nothing but respect for the two players who's eyes were on the ball in the Lalor incident. I call it "gutless" for the young bloke Ginbey...who I've previously rated as a terrific and fair competitor to disregard not only the safety of Lalor but also his team mate coming back with the ball, but perhaps gutless is a little too harsh. Perhaps due to his age and lack of experience, perhaps unthinking or poorly coached would be a better description for his POOR decision.

If he'd pushed Lalor into a fence the way he pushed him into the oncoming player, would people have defended his actions then? This type of unsportsmanlike behaviour is not just a "footy act" its a reasoned gamble that players take when they know they are out of the contest and still attempt to have an impact or cause disruption. It's not "making them earn it" it's not being competitive, its cheating and its gutless.

 

[bzparkes]

Lalor didn't misjudge anything, he got pushed from behind into an oncoming player. All your excuses are fanciful

Watch the replay again, looks like Ginbey didn't use much force.