The Age five seasons - Nathan Jones article

[Bluelegs]

http://www.theage.com.au/interactive/2013/5seasons/Jones.html

Very extensive, very honest.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

Was about to put this up, loved it - will probably read the rest of them as well.

A real dose of reality on the issue, and from one of our better players - the fact he's acknowledged that Neeld's approach wasn't working was enlightening.

 

[Captain Jack]

Great read, Emma Quayle is right up there with the best footy journalists going around.

 

[d33my]

Interesting read. I love Jonesy, but I think Peter Jackson is my favourite player at the club.

Still amazed at how instrumental PJ has been. Yes it's all still talk at the moment but I'd hate to think where we'd be without him. Possibly without Roos and Jones.

 

[Gysberts2Bate]

Interesting read. I love Jonesy, but I think Peter Jackson is my favourite player at the club.

Still amazed at how instrumental PJ has been. Yes it's all still talk at the moment but I'd hate to think where we'd be without him. Possibly without Roos and Jones.

Thrills me even more that PJ is a Bombers supporters. Speaks heaps about his professionalism and dedication.

 

[d33my]

Thrills me even more that PJ is a Bombers supporters. Speaks heaps about his professionalism and dedication.

In some ways I'd say it's essential that he's a Bombers supporter. Dismantling the boys club and all that.

 

[Gysberts2Bate]

In some ways I'd say it's essential that he's a Bombers supporter. Dismantling the boys club and all that.

Very true. Feels like his heart and soul is really in it now too, and it would have been especially difficult help us out when his old club was falling apart. Wonder what he'll do next. Biggest move to come would be the assistant coach, you'd think.

 

[Meds]

Very true. Feels like his heart and soul is really in it now too, and it would have been especially difficult help us out when his old club was falling apart. Wonder what he'll do next. Biggest move to come would be the assistant coach, you'd think.

Sponsors for 2014 have to be next. We can survive without a senior assistant, I'm not sure that's true of a major sponsor, let alone two.

On the article, I thought it was a great read. It really shows how much effort is required to really make it at the top level. I think a lot of our highly regarded youngsters have relied too much on natural ability and doing only what was required of them. Jonesy has shown that the REAL improvement comes when you dedicate extra time to understanding and improving your game. Really inspirational stuff!

 

[Viney]

Sponsors for 2014 have to be next. We can survive without a senior assistant, I'm not sure that's true of a major sponsor, let alone two.

On the article, I thought it was a great read. It really shows how much effort is required to really make it at the top level. I think a lot of our highly regarded youngsters have relied too much on natural ability and doing only what was required of them. Jonesy has shown that the REAL improvement comes when you dedicate extra time to understanding and improving your game. Really inspirational stuff!

Re sponsorship it's tough goings. Things lined up but just not coming off. They're on it massively though

Re the article I actually found that a tough read

Some positivity to it about improving the group but a feeling of helplessness and end to nowhere to it

 

[Klyntonius]

Solidifies his standing as a leader and I really think he and Daniel Cross can really set the tone with their dedication and preparation for the younger midfielders which is why I'm quite bullish about a quickish turnaround. That sort of article also shows how his onfield excitement is a reflection of his deep passion for footy and Melbourne and it's just great to see how driven and not broken that he is.

 

[stretcharmstrong]

Great read, really was. Spent my whole lunch break immersed in it.

Would like to see jones take watts under his wing. Get some of that determination to rub off.

 

[rhaz]

I love Jonesy, but hopefully time next year we will have articles being written positively about someone else at the club (or about the club on the whole). Seems like the only good things I ever read are about Nafan.

 

[autocol]

Great article. Quayle is easily in the top couple of footy journo's in the country.

I think what it drives home is the fact that these guys are just people - going to work, doing what they have to do, hoping to have some success. Too many fans trot out the "they get paid huge money to kick a footy around, they should stop complaining" line, which is just stupid. Every scientific study under the sun will tell you remuneration rates outside the top five for contributors to job satisfaction. You would think, as a professional sportsman, winning occasionally would rate in the top couple, as would having coaching staff who you respect and admire. He's had 7 coaches in 9 years! It's an absolute joke!

I don't blame any of the guys who left Melbourne when they got the chance, if it were my life I'd have buggered off to greener pastures too.

I just hope like hell Roos can turn this ship around for these lads. They deserve to smile once in a while.

 

[ponsdale]

Someone send Barrett a link to the article. THAT'S JOURNALISM.

 

[thetank]

Every scientific study under the sun will tell you remuneration rates outside the top five for contributors to job satisfaction.

Clearly, this is because people lose sight of the purpose of a "job", and well-remunerated people have no idea how difficult it is for some to make money. It's like my dentist mates wishing about how they should have done investment banking...and they were driving around in a new $135,000 Mercedes convertible first year working.

Money should be the prime contributor to job satisfaction, all the other "warm and fuzzy" things on the side are created by the employer so they don't have to pay you as much money. Making money should be people's business. Employers fire you if you don't make them/save them enough money.

 

[Praetorian]

Clearly, this is because people lose sight of the purpose of a "job", and well-remunerated people have no idea how difficult it is for some to make money. It's like my dentist mates wishing about how they should have done investment banking...and they were driving around in a new $135,000 Mercedes convertible first year working.

Money should be the prime contributor to job satisfaction, all the other "warm and fuzzy" things on the side are created by the employer so they don't have to pay you as much money. Making money should be people's business. Employers fire you if you don't make them/save them enough money.

some people live to work and others work to live. most people would work for less money in a job they enjoy over a job they hate, given that it takes up a significant portion of your life. It's not quite as simplistic as job=money in a lot of cases

 

[autocol]

Clearly, this is because people lose sight of the purpose of a "job"

Err, no. Clearly you've not read any of said studies.

 

[thetank]

Err, no. Clearly you've not read any of said studies.

I have read those news articles. Again, my point is that people lose sight of what they ought to be selling their own time for. Once the money is correct (and this is the key point), then you should look at secondary things like having good mates at work, a nice fruit basket and ping pong tables to relax. Bosses have created these "soft" things so they save their own money.

You can't pay off your home loan with fruit baskets....you can't pay your grandmother's medical bills with ping pong tables or casual clothes days. You can't pay your kid's university fees with meditation rooms. The boss can't pay your salary or the rent in good blokes at the office.

If the difference in salary is trivial, then by all means look at secondary factors. But money must come first. It's business.

At the end of the day though, if people were offered $500,000 to do a high-pressure job (with no threat of death) or $75,000 for a no-pressure job, then assuming competency and circumstances at home permitted, only the idiots would pick the $75k job. It's like people saying that you need balls to coach in the AFL. High pressure yes, but ridiculously well-remunerated. Obviously if you had a $500,000 job to do nothing, have fruit baskets and ping pong tables that would be the optimum, however it is called "work" for a reason.

 

[thetank]

some people live to work and others work to live. most people would work for less money in a job they enjoy over a job they hate, given that it takes up a significant portion of your life. It's not quite as simplistic as job=money in a lot of cases

Agreed, as most of these situations the additional money is "not correct", ie. not enough to compensate for a poor work environment. If the difference in money is trivial, then of course other factors come into play.

 

[rhaz]

You can't pay off your home loan with fruit baskets....you can't pay your grandmother's medical bills with ping pong tables or casual clothes days. You can't pay your kid's university fees with meditation rooms. The boss can't pay your salary or the rent in good blokes at the office.

You also can't pay away the shitty 50 hours a week you spend at work. It doesn't matter how much money you earn, if going to work every day is hell, you're gonna get depressed.

 

[autocol]

Again, my point is that people lose sight of what they ought to be selling their own time for.

Right, but the studies I've seen haven't asked people what thetank thinks they ought to be selling their time for. The studies I've seen have measured job satisfaction, and plotted it against numerous variables to work out which ones have the greatest positive effect on said job satisfaction. Remuneration falls outside the top five, consistently, across multiple studies with different testing procedures. You may not think that's true in your particular case (and indeed, in your case maybe remuneration rates number one), but on average, across a statistically significant sample size, those are the facts.

You're welcome to have an opinion on the facts, but don't trick yourself into thinking your opinion is the truth, just because you think it.